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mwc68 said:
Once again you have put God into a little box and then accuse Catholics of making things up. How bout your OSAS, which has been refuted successfully in other threads. How about your silly rapture theory that has been successfully refuted in other threads? You don't have all the answers are apparently following man made doctrine yourself!
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Well, let us be honest anyway............both OSAS and the Rapture have been Scripturally supported and denied successfully here on CC. While I will provide Scripture against OSAS, I can also provide Scripture for the Rapture of His Church. Just as those who disagree with me can to support their beliefs.

Let us be honest..........and as for the Rapture being a "silly theory," I guess you don't mind hating on Protestants, but despise Protestants hating on Catholics? Odd
 
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Utah said:
Some people count sheep to go to sleep. Some people count money. Others, well, what can I say?

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Keep that up, and pretty soon they will be speaking in tongues...........and no interpreter present.........oops....... :)
 
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I'm not a Protestant, I'm a Baptist.

 
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eternally-gratefull said:

They do not understand the term Grace. If one can lose salvation, they would have to lose grace, because they somehow, (even though they never deserved it to begin with) have done something, that even though they still do not deserve it, causes God to remove his offer of grace to them.

in a nutshell. they preach they are better than everyone else. and deny their own sin. or unworthyness
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And....no matter how they slice, dice and deny they teach a works based false gospel.......that requires them to do something to keep themselves saved...and of course they teach you can lose it, but never seem to lose it as their righteousness exceeds the Pharisees and all of those sinners who believe in Jesus and his sacrifice for salvation wholly......yeah...you get the drift!
 
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p_rehbein said:
Well, let us be honest anyway............both OSAS and the Rapture have been Scripturally supported and denied successfully here on CC. While I will provide Scripture against OSAS, I can also provide Scripture for the Rapture of His Church. Just as those who disagree with me can to support their beliefs.

Let us be honest..........and as for the Rapture being a "silly theory," I guess you don't mind hating on Protestants, but despise Protestants hating on Catholics? Odd
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honestly. i have been taking way more than i have been giving
 
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Jason0047 said:
Nothing out of context at all. Surely you can at least take 2-3 of those verses and explain them, no?
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Like we have SO MANY times before?

Does a person of God who has faith in God hate? they can't.

The OT jews never entered rest, because they NEVER HAD FAITH, (they were never saved)

Jesus knew who would be saved, and also knew who would be saved, So of course he does not know those who practice sin, THEY WERE NEVER SAVED.

Bet you can;t even figure out which three I just randomly chose to refute
 
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While it is true that unregenerate relgiious men appear to do so outwardly to look good in front of others, you have not actually read and understood the Bible if you think we cannot live holy lives as a believer. Do a study on holiness and the believer. For it is why one is born again in the first place. They are given a new heart with new desires.
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I never said we can not live holy, Thats your strawman argument. I KNOW all of gods children will live holy, because they are born of God and can no longer live in sin.

Your right, they are given a new heart, and their new heart will never die, because it is from God.

So much for your pharisee gospel. Your so called new heart has no power. (of course thats why yuo may look righteous, but your not)
 
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mwc68 said:
Once again you have put God into a little box and then accuse Catholics of making things up. How bout your OSAS, which has been refuted successfully in other threads. How about your silly rapture theory that has been successfully refuted in other threads? You don't have all the answers are apparently following man made doctrine yourself!
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lol. OSAS has not been refuted. (sorry for laughing, but sometimes you just are to funny in what you think)

However, your works oriented gospel has not only been refuted. But proven to be a gospel of men, not God.
 
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Jason0047 said:
No, God's Word claims that it is perfect (Psalm 12:6 KJV) (Psalm 119:140 KJV) (Proverbs 30:5 KJV) and that it will be preserved for all generations (Psalm 12:7 KJV) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8 KJV) (1 Peter 1:25 KJV). Therefore, seeing Scripture plainly states these facts, it then becomes an issue of a test of your faith in God's Word (See the test the devil gave to Eve in Genesis 3:1 KJV); Because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe (1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV). In other words, do you believe you hold the very words of God within your hands like the disciples did?
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In most bibles some words are in italics and some are bold and other things such is not from God but of man. only the inspired Words of God are from God! not ever word in the Bible.

Mac.
 
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Mac4Yuma said:
In most bibles some words are in italics and some are bold and other things such is not from God but of man. only the inspired Words of God are from God! not ever word in the Bible.

Mac.
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There are no words lost in translation. The added words in italics are merely words to help express what it says in the original languages. They are not an addition. For if anyone adds to the Word of God then there are serious consequences involved (Which is mentioned in Revelation). For if God did not preserve His Word in our world language today, and it only existed in some dead language that nobody really speaks or understands anymore, then God's Word would be unknowable and would be a source of confusion. But God is not the author of confusion. He gives understanding to His servants.

For example: My Christian fiance (who currently lives in Brazil) told me one time when we were driving in Brazil that there are certain words in the English language that cannot be expressed in the same exact way with Brazillian Portuguese. However, the words in Brazillian Portuguese can convey what I was trying to say in a general sense, though. It still can mean what I was trying to express in English (even though it is not as specific in some cases).
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Like we have SO MANY times before?

Does a person of God who has faith in God hate? they can't.

The OT jews never entered rest, because they NEVER HAD FAITH, (they were never saved)

Jesus knew who would be saved, and also knew who would be saved, So of course he does not know those who practice sin, THEY WERE NEVER SAVED.

Bet you can;t even figure out which three I just randomly chose to refute
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No, dear sir. The Scriptures say,

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
(Hebrews 3:12).

In other words, you cannot depart from Houston airport unless you were in Houston airport.
Which means the same thing with the verse given above. You cannot depart from the living God unless you once had the living God in your life.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Like we have SO MANY times before?
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You have not really properly explained OSAS in any verse (using the context) that I have put forth.

Does a person of God who has faith in God hate? they can't.
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But yet many OSAS proponents will disagree with you. For many here have already voted in my poll that they can die in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and still be saved. For them, no sin can truly separate you from Christ for all future sin is forgiven them. Yes, some will say you have to live a generally holy life, but what about the 5% evil that is done? Just sweep it under the carpet because you got your free ticket?

The Scriptures say anyone who hates his brother is a murderer and does not have eternal life abiding in them. The Scriptures also say that any man who speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing. You cannot be a saved proud person who knows nothing. If a believer is saved it is because they have fellowship with Christ (God).

The OT jews never entered rest, because they NEVER HAD FAITH, (they were never saved)
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As I said before, Hebrews 3:12 refutes such thinking.

Jesus knew who would be saved, and also knew who would be saved, So of course he does not know those who practice sin, THEY WERE NEVER SAVED.
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So you are of the OSAS Lite belief that holds to the view that if anyone who practices sin was never born again to begin with? John MacArthur holds to this view and teaches this. However, the problem with this line of teaching is that it makes one always doubt the promises of God if they ever come to a point in their life if they do struggle with a sin (Whereby they are confessing it and striving to forsake it with God's help). For Luke 18:9-14 says that the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him in being a sinner was more justified than the man who did not think he was better than the Tax Collector and who did not humble himself before God.

Bet you can;t even figure out which three I just randomly chose to refute
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Not into playing games with you. I am sure I can name a verse whereby you will never guess it, too. But that is not why we are here. Christians are not out to impress who knows more than the other guy. Believers are called to love and to lead people into the arms of Christ and to help each other to walk in Christ's good ways (By the Lord working in them). You either want to talk about the Scriptures or you don't want to talk about them. The choice is yours.
 
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Jason0047 said:
There are no words lost in translation. The added words in italics are merely words to help express what it says in the original languages. They are not an addition. For if anyone adds to the Word of God then there are serious consequences involved (Which is mentioned in Revelation). For if God did not preserve His Word in our world language today, and it only existed in some dead language that nobody really speaks or understands anymore, then God's Word would be unknowable and would be a source of confusion. But God is not the author of confusion. He gives understanding to His servants.

For example: My Christian fiance (who currently lives in Brazil) told me one time when we were driving in Brazil that there are certain words in the English language that cannot be expressed in the same exact way with Brazillian Portuguese. However, the words in Brazillian Portuguese can convey what I was trying to say in a general sense, though. It still can mean what I was trying to express in English (even though it is not as specific in some cases).
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I never said there are words lost I was saying that ever word in the Bible is not from God. BUT there indeed are additions and even a verse. Anyone who teaches others incorrectly they are in real serious consequences. As a matter of fact the Bible clearly points out who are to teach and also to whom when it comes to like Minded Reasoning Together.

I am not perfect so I may make a mistake but please do not add things to my mistake if I did do as you have said.
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mwc68 said:
Once again you have put God into a little box and then accuse Catholics of making things up. How bout your OSAS, which has been refuted successfully in other threads. How about your silly rapture theory that has been successfully refuted in other threads? You don't have all the answers are apparently following man made doctrine yourself!
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Noting like a good mud slinging contest

who's winning? hope no one gets mud on their robes...we can't wash them clean ourselves you know

I guess God should have added there is neither Protestant nor Catholic nor Methodist way back when Galatians was being formatted...they were into works based salvation too...riled Paul up so awful much, that he began is letter with Foolish Galatians...who has bewitched you?

Even God does not consider your denoms and your works and your bragging...by that I mean everyone who is doing so in this thread...and you are all too blind to see that...yet the Bible says it plain and simple for anyone who can read

Again, please note, I'm not picking on anyone...I wouldn't know where to start!!!



There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


 
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Jason0047 said:


You have not really properly explained OSAS in any verse (using the context) that I have put forth.



But yet many OSAS proponents will disagree with you. For many here have already voted in my poll that they can die in unrepentant sin (like lying, lusting, and hating) and still be saved. For them, no sin can truly separate you from Christ for all future sin is forgiven them. Yes, some will say you have to live a generally holy life, but what about the 5% evil that is done? Just sweep it under the carpet because you got your free ticket?

The Scriptures say anyone who hates his brother is a murderer and does not have eternal life abiding in them. The Scriptures also say that any man who speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing. You cannot be a saved proud person who knows nothing. If a believer is saved it is because they have fellowship with Christ (God).



As I said before, Hebrews 3:12 refutes such thinking.



So you are of the OSAS Lite belief that holds to the view that if anyone who practices sin was never born again to begin with? John MacArthur holds to this view and teaches this. However, the problem with this line of teaching is that it makes one always doubt the promises of God if they ever come to a point in their life if they do struggle with a sin (Whereby they are confessing it and striving to forsake it with God's help). For Luke 18:9-14 says that the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him in being a sinner was more justified than the man who did not think he was better than the Tax Collector and who did not humble himself before God.



Not into playing games with you. I am sure I can name a verse whereby you will never guess it, too. But that is not why we are here. Christians are not out to impress who knows more than the other guy. Believers are called to love and to lead people into the arms of Christ and to help each other to walk in Christ's good ways (By the Lord working in them). You either want to talk about the Scriptures or you don't want to talk about them. The choice is yours.
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Meant to say the Pharisee was not justified because he thought he was better than the Tax Collector and by the fact that he did not humble himself before God like the Tax Collector did.
 
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Mac4Yuma said:
I never said there are words lost I was saying that ever word in the Bible is not from God. BUT there indeed are additions and even a verse. Anyone who teaches others incorrectly they are in real serious consequences. As a matter of fact the Bible clearly points out who are to teach and also to whom when it comes to like Minded Reasoning Together.

I am not perfect so I may make a mistake but please do not add things to my mistake if I did do as you have said.
Mac.
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If you are saying that every word of God in the Bible is not from God then it is an addition to the Bible (that is not supposed to be there then). But we know that this is not the case. When a language is translated, it can be conveyed sometimes using more or lesser words. God is not restricted to just speaking in Hebrew and Greek. That is a false notion. For we know God allows the saints to understand each other in their own languages in Acts chapter 2. For who determines which words are supposed to be in my Bible? For if I cannot trust one word in my BIble, then what makes me trust the rest of it?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never said we can not live holy, Thats your strawman argument. I KNOW all of gods children will live holy, because they are born of God and can no longer live in sin.
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So you believe in sinless perfectionism? I wouldn't have thought that. So you believe 1 Peter 4:1, Galatians 5:24, Romans 6:14 are teaching that a believer can stop sinning and never sin again because the power of God?

Your right, they are given a new heart, and their new heart will never die, because it is from God.
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Does that include dying in unrepentant (Such as lying, lusting, and hating) with the thinking one is saved?
Or are you talking about how the believer who is chosen by God does not have free will after they have believed?

So much for your pharisee gospel. Your so called new heart has no power. (of course thats why yuo may look righteous, but your not)
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Careful what you say; For if you are wrong, then you would be speaking against the truth of God's Word.

For how do you disagree with the following?

#1. A person who first comes to the Lord admits they are a sinner and asks Jesus to forgive them of their sin and to be their Savior (This is past sin and not future sin).

#2. After being a believer: Christ then does the good work in them in the fact that they surrender or yield their life to the Lord.

#3. If any sin arises in a believer's life they confess and forsake that sin trusting in Jesus as their Savior and not themselves.

#4. Grace is not a license to get away with any kind of sin; Grace is for allowing the Lord to work in a person's life.

#5. Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil both in Justification (on the cross) and in Sanctification (in a person's life). A believer has the power of God working in them to stop sinning. For Paul says, sin shall not have dominion over you. Meaning, you will not be a slave to sin. For Jesus says he that sins is a slave to sin.
 
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Jason0047 said:
No, dear sir. The Scriptures say,

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
(Hebrews 3:12).

In other words, you cannot depart from Houston airport unless you were in Houston airport.
Which means the same thing with the verse given above. You cannot depart from the living God unless you once had the living God in your life.
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lol. Many can walk with the people of God. thus be in the presence of God. Yet not be saved. (how many walked with Moses, yet continually sinned, showing although they walked with God being baptized into moses. They never KNEW GOD. nor did God ever KNOW them. He will say depart from me, like sadly I fear he will say to you )

Sorry sir, Your in error. Your puffed up self righteous gospel will not save you.
 
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