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Because we are in the Times of the Gentiles for 2000 years. . To make it crystal clear the time of the gentiles ) year O or 4001 ) began after the Passover when Jesus was crucified. Do you see the error? about 30 years
Actually the "Times of the Gentiles" began around 600 BC when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the temple in Jerusalem. After that Gentile empires ruled over Israel until AD 70 . And even after Israel was established in 1948 the Dome of Rock remained in Jerusalem. Some say that that is not the location of the original temple, but some do not.
 

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“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.


I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”


Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;


For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Jesus as the son ministered to us for about 3 years, and in this age he no longer walks among men but dwells within us by his Spirit. But if you want to know what the Father knows look at the age and ministry of the Father, the Old Testament
 
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Feeding of the 4 & 5 Thousand

Lord does nothing without foretelling his servants the future. Take Malachi 4:2 for example.
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings ( or rays ). You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall (grave).
I see this scripture as being meant for the Hebrews and telling of a future resurrection. On that Passover weekend I also see a time element being spoken. Notice the word sun and not son. Not an error in translation; Lord was saying the sun being made on the fourth day, predicted his entry and coming into Jerusalem on that Passover after 4000 years, also the revolution of the year.
Parables and stories are there to alert us things which are shortly coming to pass and for me none is greater than the story of the feeding of the 4 and 5 thousand.
“Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? 18 Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” They said to him, “Twelve.” 20 “And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” And they said to him, “Seven.” 21 And he said to them, “Do you not yet understand?” Mark 8
What a question? Do you not understand? Well, first the baskets. From the Greek manuscripts we see a portent concering the baskets. The basket used to feed the 5000 was a kophino, and the basket used to feed the 4000 was a spuris. This holds true in all 4 gospels whenever the baskets are mentioned, as well in the book of Acts. The kophino basket used to feed the 5000 was jewish because when the people followed Jesus across Lake Galilie he was asked questions only a jew was asked, such as, " Our ancestors ate manna in the wilderness
As for the basket used to feed the 4000, Jesus had left the area of Tyre and Sidon in Lebanon and approached the area of Decapolis. Decapolis was a group of ten cities given to the Greeks for their assistance during the times of conquering the territory. When Apostle Paul was fleeing Damascus, he was let down over the wall in a spuris basket---A Gentile basket in a Gentile city. So we can easily say the kophino basket used to feed the 5000 was jewish and the spuris basket jused to feed the 4000 was Gentile. Strongs Concordance for kophino is #2894 and for spuris #4711.
Now to the feeding of the 4 & 5 thousand. If the Lord had wanted,He could have made it come out to the very crumb as to what was needed to feed the multitude. The miracle was the multiplication of food and we will feed them just as Jesus did! The jews were fed with 5 loaves and 2 fish, and the gentiles with 7 loaves and a few (2) fish.
Feeding of the 5000
5 loaves times 2 fish = 10
5000 divided by 10 = 500
500 times 12 baskets left over = 6000
6000 years
For in so many days the world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. Irenaeus, taught by Polycarp a hearer of Apostle John
Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Barnabas--named an apostle in Acts 14
Feeding of the 4000
7 loaves times 2 fish = 14
4000 divided by 14 = 285.7143
Blessing left over are multiplied
7 baskets left over times 285.7143 =2000
2000 years
This is the number of years till his return. This time is called--The time of the gentiles.
From Pentecost in Acts 2 to Pentecost Revelations 14:14-15

This is my understanding. Your thoughts welcome.
According to this calculation, if it is 2000,Then Jesus has arrived.
 

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According to this calculation, if it is 2000,Then Jesus has arrived.
Very observant of you. Probably should have said then the Tribulation of 7 years should have started. More pieces I havent shared here so be prepared.
 
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Very observant of you. Probably should have said then the Tribulation of 7 years should have started. More pieces I havent shared here so be prepared.
In my opinion, no one is ready. People are still living in fantasy. Waiting for Jesus to take them straight to heaven. With such an illusion, no one can be prepared.
 
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Share your thoughts
I don't know where to start. I'll try. If people believe in the future described by false prophets, it will be a terrible disaster to shake their faith.The Bible says that there will be false prophets when Jesus comes again.So if Jesus has arrived, what the false prophet described has not happened. This is a very terrible thing.Because embracing the wrong point of view will lead to the wrong conclusion. So I said that no one was ready for such an outcome. I said you are all gods, you are all children of God, but you have to die like men.
 

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I don't know where to start. I'll try. If people believe in the future described by false prophets, it will be a terrible disaster to shake their faith.The Bible says that there will be false prophets when Jesus comes again.So if Jesus has arrived, what the false prophet described has not happened. This is a very terrible thing.Because embracing the wrong point of view will lead to the wrong conclusion. So I said that no one was ready for such an outcome. I said you are all gods, you are all children of God, but you have to die like men.
Ah, you are quoting from Ps 82. These scriptures only concern angels
 

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The angels who are spirtual beings called the sons of God who were all male lusted after human women n Genesis 6 took on flesh and blood along with their offspring the Nephilim. And died like men in the flood.

There will be a repeat performance in the book of Revelations when they are thrown from the heavens to the earth Rev 12:7
 

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This is the curse on angels for leaving their proper abode. Seems like only Satan had the permission to go to and from the earth.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[a] also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Whence have you come?” Satan answered the Lord, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
 
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The angels who are spirtual beings called the sons of God who were all male lusted after human women n Genesis 6 took on flesh and blood along with their offspring the Nephilim. And died like men in the flood.

There will be a repeat performance in the book of Revelations when they are thrown from the heavens to the earth Rev 12:7
But because of Jesus Christ, we are also children of God. God draw us unto the image of God through Jesus Christ.
 

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John 1:12

But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God;
 
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The 4,000 or 5,000?
That's just the men. If we add women and children, how does the mathematics add up?
 

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The 4,000 or 5,000?
That's just the men. If we add women and children, how does the mathematics add up?
Well, you know the total number was not mentioned but the 4 & 5 thousand was for a reason. Figure out the odds of these numbers and it's like a billion to 1. The numbers were for a purpose of teaching for remember all 4 gospels used the 5000 and three gospels used the 4000 number, so it wasn't an error.
 
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Well, you know the total number was not mentioned but the 4 & 5 thousand was for a reason. Figure out the odds of these numbers and it's like a billion to 1. The numbers were for a purpose of teaching for remember all 4 gospels used the 5000 and three gospels used the 4000 number, so it wasn't an error.
I actually do enjoy what You have done. It reminds me of taking the one literal week of Creation and then applying 1,000 years to each day to give us 6,000 years from the end of Creation till the return of Christ and leaving another 1,000 years for the Reign of Christ.
 

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I actually do enjoy what You have done. It reminds me of taking the one literal week of Creation and then applying 1,000 years to each day to give us 6,000 years from the end of Creation till the return of Christ and leaving another 1,000 years for the Reign of Christ

Our understanding is the same
 

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Mike you might enjoy what Irenaeus said about creation who was taught by Polycarp, a disciple of Apostle John/

The devil is well practised in falsehood, by which Adam having been led astray, sinned on the sixth day of the creation, in which day also he has been renewed by Christ.
1. He had indeed been already accustomed to lie against God, for the purpose of leading men astray. For at the beginning, when God had given to man a variety of things for food, while He commanded him not to eat of one tree only, as the Scripture tells us that God said to Adam: From every tree which is in the garden you shall eat food; but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, from this you shall not eat: for in the day that you shall eat of it, you shall die by death; Genesis 2:16-17 he then, lying against the Lord, tempted man, as the Scripture says that the serpent said to the woman: Has God indeed said this, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden? Genesis 3:1 And when she had exposed the falsehood, and simply related the command, as He had said, From every tree of the garden we shall eat; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die: Genesis 3:2-3 when he had [thus] learned from the woman the command of God, having brought his cunning into play, he finally deceived her by a falsehood, saying, You shall not die by death; for God knew that in the day you shall eat of it your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:4 In the first place, then, in the garden of God he disputed about God, as if God was not there, for he was ignorant of the greatness of God; and then, in the next place, after he had learned from the woman that God had said that they should die if they tasted the aforesaid tree, opening his mouth, he uttered the third falsehood, You shall not die by death. But that God was true, and the serpent a liar, was proved by the result, death having passed upon them who had eaten. For along with the fruit they did also fall under the power of death, because they ate in disobedience; and disobedience to God entails death. Wherefore, as they became forfeit to death, from that [moment] they were handed over to it.

2. Thus, then, in the day that they ate, in the same did they die, and became death's debtors, since it was one day of the creation. For it is said, There was made in the evening, and there was made in the morning, one day. Now in this same day that they ate, in that also did they die. But according to the cycle and progress of the days, after which one is termed first, another second, and another third, if anybody seeks diligently to learn upon what day out of the seven it was that Adam died, he will find it by examining the dispensation of the Lord. For by summing up in Himself the whole human race from the beginning to the end, He has also summed up its death. From this it is clear that the Lord suffered death, in obedience to His Father, upon that day on which Adam died while he disobeyed

God. Now he died on the same day in which he ate. For God said, In that day on which you shall eat of it, you shall die by death. The Lord, therefore, recapitulating in Himself this day, underwent His sufferings upon the day preceding the Sabbath, that is, the sixth day of the creation, on which day man was created; thus granting him a second creation by means of His passion, which is that [creation] out of death. And there are some, again, who relegate the death of Adam to the thousandth year; for since a day of the Lord is as a thousand years, 2 Peter 3:8 he did not overstep the thousand years, but died within them, thus bearing out the sentence of his sin. Whether, therefore, with respect to disobedience, which is death; whether [we consider] that, on account of that, they were delivered over to death, and made debtors to it; whether with respect to [the fact that on] one and the same day on which they ate they also died (for it is one day of the creation); whether [we regard this point], that, with respect to this cycle of days, they died on the day in which they did also eat, that is, the day of the preparation, which is termed the pure supper, that is, the sixth day of the feast, which the Lord also exhibited when He suffered on that day; or whether [we reflect] that he (Adam) did not overstep the thousand years, but died within their limit — it follows that, in regard to all these significations, God is indeed true. For they died who tasted of the tree; and the serpent is proved a liar and a murderer, as the Lord said of him: For he is a murderer from the beginning, and the truth is not in him. John 8:44