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And here is the answer for that friend:
I posted this in another post and think it has some consideration here
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. (He was giving nothing of defilement. He did not have that discernment to do or not to do evil. He only knew to do good)
Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
I posted this in another post and think it has some consideration here
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. (He was giving nothing of defilement. He did not have that discernment to do or not to do evil. He only knew to do good)
Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Yes I like that, let me try and explain my position.
We as humans get stuck on some things. we can't understand how something can be known yet still leave free choice. but its not hard when we really get down to it.
Jesus knew exactly what would happen when he came down to this earth. and so it was prophesied that He would always chose the good. Why because that is who He is.
however once He is on earth He does not have the same memory He had before. Yet He still does exactly what He said He would do. Does that mean that He could not sin or rather that He would not sin?
I believe it is the latter. Its not that Jesus could not sin, but rather He would not sin.
Now I am confusing myself lol.
Let me illustrate in human terms.
If I go into a video store, I never get r rated films. (I don't watch movies full stop, but for the sake of illustration.) Why? Because I don't think its right. not because i can not but because I wont.
Jesus never sinned not because he could not sin, but because he would not sin. do you see the difference?
We as humans get stuck on some things. we can't understand how something can be known yet still leave free choice. but its not hard when we really get down to it.
Jesus knew exactly what would happen when he came down to this earth. and so it was prophesied that He would always chose the good. Why because that is who He is.
however once He is on earth He does not have the same memory He had before. Yet He still does exactly what He said He would do. Does that mean that He could not sin or rather that He would not sin?
I believe it is the latter. Its not that Jesus could not sin, but rather He would not sin.
Now I am confusing myself lol.
Let me illustrate in human terms.
If I go into a video store, I never get r rated films. (I don't watch movies full stop, but for the sake of illustration.) Why? Because I don't think its right. not because i can not but because I wont.
Jesus never sinned not because he could not sin, but because he would not sin. do you see the difference?
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Theres a difference between Lucifer and Adam and Jesus.
Jesus flesh was like Adams but His nature in His will and effections
were pure God.
I understand how your thinking that because it says He was tempted
than that has to mean He could have sinned.
It also says somewhere that He understands us because He went through it.
Many say that implies that He wouldnt know otherwise. But thats a big
mistake, and far from true.So we have to be careful taking one verse or a few
and make a determination. And not expect anthropomorphic language.
But most of all we miss seeing God as He is tabernacling with us as promised
and beholding the Glory.
So to that other verse id say its like this
Jesus was tempted...but God cannot be tempted, so therefore He couldnt sin.
Theres a few places in the bible that says dont tempt God.
That surely doesnt have to mean He can be tempted.
Jesus flesh was like Adams but His nature in His will and effections
were pure God.
I understand how your thinking that because it says He was tempted
than that has to mean He could have sinned.
It also says somewhere that He understands us because He went through it.
Many say that implies that He wouldnt know otherwise. But thats a big
mistake, and far from true.So we have to be careful taking one verse or a few
and make a determination. And not expect anthropomorphic language.
But most of all we miss seeing God as He is tabernacling with us as promised
and beholding the Glory.
So to that other verse id say its like this
Jesus was tempted...but God cannot be tempted, so therefore He couldnt sin.
Theres a few places in the bible that says dont tempt God.
That surely doesnt have to mean He can be tempted.
I suppose this is where it is, I believe that Jesus came as a real human so that He could show us how to live in the power of God. He showed that when we rely on the power of God we can rise above the sin of this world. we can rise above our sinful nature.
I think that if Jesus had not relied on His Father, He would have given into the temptations of the Devil. So it is with us, we give in when we don't rely on God.
I think that if Jesus had not relied on His Father, He would have given into the temptations of the Devil. So it is with us, we give in when we don't rely on God.
I suppose in the end it really does not matter. We know what did happen and Jesus is our salvation. I just think it shows the love of God to risk His son for my salvation.
But in the end, weather you see it that way or not, we both agree that Jesus never sinned and is a perfect sacrifice. and in Faith in Him we are saved.
But in the end, weather you see it that way or not, we both agree that Jesus never sinned and is a perfect sacrifice. and in Faith in Him we are saved.
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your making a desired end force an idea into
the scripture.
The focus maybe shouldnt be so much
of How He set an example but how He showed
us Gods glory and Nature.
I cannot agree it says anywhere God risked a Son
It says it pleased Him to Kill His son for us.
It pleased Him to be the only way and show
how far love goes.....to the very end.
This plan was decided before creation so its
not possible to think there was any risk.
the scripture.
The focus maybe shouldnt be so much
of How He set an example but how He showed
us Gods glory and Nature.
I cannot agree it says anywhere God risked a Son
It says it pleased Him to Kill His son for us.
It pleased Him to be the only way and show
how far love goes.....to the very end.
This plan was decided before creation so its
not possible to think there was any risk.
C
I think what you have said above is very well displayed in the fact that He said, Not my will, but your will', when He was speaking to His Father. Even when He asked the Father to remove the cup of death from Him, He displayed that He, as a Man, had that will to choose good over evil, life over death, God over flesh. I do not think He would have ever chosen to do wrong seeing that nothing unpure was given to Him in His nuturing as a man. What do you think?