Do you support female pastors?
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the church of God is pictured as his woman; can his woman be above God? everything has to be in order in Gods eyes,the woman can not be above the man,because the woman was made for the man.God created adam first; this world has turned things up side down.
the women rebelled,they want to be equal; signs of the times; women against men, children against parents, against authority,proud ,boaster,highminded,selfish,worshipping the creature rather than worshipping the creator.it seems unfair does it? is it?
can you protest and marched against God? you can try.
''wakeup''.
How did I miss this thread? Wow! 14 pages, 267 posts...... oops, 268.
Now for the serious part. It is a total shame that some folks will believe what they've been told for so long that every time they read something, they interpret it based on what they've been told. This is why the Scripture says:
2 Timothy 2:15 [SUP]Nasb [/SUP]Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
This Scripture does not mean believing all your favorite teachers and theologies blindly. We should not believe anything said or written unless we "search the Scriptures daily, to see if these things are so."
Some people are so bad that they will take Scripture out of context and spin it according to what they've been taught, even though they themselves preach loudly, "context context context!" If it wasn't for that Scripture in Timothy about a woman usurping authority over her husband, there would be a lot of silent people on this thread with nothing to say! Shame on those who do this and cry " context, context, context!" If you know what context means, you should definitely know better.
Now for the serious part. It is a total shame that some folks will believe what they've been told for so long that every time they read something, they interpret it based on what they've been told. This is why the Scripture says:
2 Timothy 2:15 [SUP]Nasb [/SUP]Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
This Scripture does not mean believing all your favorite teachers and theologies blindly. We should not believe anything said or written unless we "search the Scriptures daily, to see if these things are so."
Some people are so bad that they will take Scripture out of context and spin it according to what they've been taught, even though they themselves preach loudly, "context context context!" If it wasn't for that Scripture in Timothy about a woman usurping authority over her husband, there would be a lot of silent people on this thread with nothing to say! Shame on those who do this and cry " context, context, context!" If you know what context means, you should definitely know better.
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The entirety of scripture is the answer...unfortunately we lean I'm the new testament mainly for answers disregarding the Torah and it's instructions...this book of the law, yes I said the L word, should not depart from us...the "old" testament shows us the genealogies, the leaders the heads of nations, commitcried and families,...these were MEN...women were used and always will be...this question the type writer has asked...is also the root of rebellion I'm the home...in answering yes, that women can lead churches another question arises,....why then can't they head a home...if we outdate the scriptures and follow the times and decisions of society and mix them I'm the church....truth then becomes relative...and Yahweh himself is then questioned in his commands as he was I'm the garden....why can't I eat this fruit?...now the question is...why can't a women lead!?....because Yahweh said so...
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Mary: mother of Christ. Luke 1:26-45 .. Luke 1:27,30,34,38,39,41,46,56; 2:5,16,19,34...Matthew: (1:16,18,20; 2:11) (13:55)... Mark: (6:3) 3:31. etc.
Eve : from who eventually , Christ would come through Mary.
Four daughters of Philip the evangelist; virgins, which did prophesy. Acts 21: 7 -9
Priscilla : used by God . Acts 18:2-3, Acts 18:18, Acts 18:19:, Acts 18:26, Romans 16:3-4 , 1 Corinthians 16:19:,
2 Timothy 4:19:
Deborah – When there were Judges, Israel was being attacked. There was no man judge , . Deborah was a woman.
And the men said: hay, you may have heard from God that we can defeat them, but we're not going out there. She was the judge, she jumped into a chariot, off she gos, they had the victory, and even down to the fact of Sisera, the enemy, kinda wimped away, and crawled into a tent, invited in by Jael, a gentile women. And she offered him some sweet butter milk, lay down and rest yourself, and she drove a tent peg straight-through his head, she killed him. Man didn't get to destroy the enemy ,women did. Judges 5:1-2, Judges 5:6-7, Judges 5:5:12-13
Huldah – Prophetess II Kings II Chronicles Head of God's house. Men at one time in the scripture, they're confused, and they want to know what God has to say, so they went down to the university of God's house, The head of it was Huldah.
And Huldah helped them. So to say that women do not teach, we missed something some where. 2 Kings 22:13-16, 2 Kings 22:20, 2 Chronicles 34:22-28
Eunice and Lois - mother and grandmother of Timothy
Elizabeth – Luke 1:5-7, Luke 1:13, Luke 1:24-25, Luke 1:36, Luke 1:40-44, Luke 57-61 Mother of John the Baptist.
Euodias, and Syntyche: both women: Philippians 4 : 1- 4 -5.............
What dose the The Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit have to say about it ? The Holy Spirit was speaking through Peter and the eleven mind you. This is what was said :
Acts 2: [16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your" daughters shall prophesy," and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my"" handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:""
[19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
When something dose not add up, it means we have failed to understand the scriptures or check out what some one has taught us.
Let God's word in His totality speak. Don't forget these scriptures. Don't hold onto the traditions of men.
1 Corinthians 11 :
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Women where created, so that men, could be born, into the world.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
Matthew 7 :
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
[28] And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
[29] For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Eve : from who eventually , Christ would come through Mary.
Four daughters of Philip the evangelist; virgins, which did prophesy. Acts 21: 7 -9
Priscilla : used by God . Acts 18:2-3, Acts 18:18, Acts 18:19:, Acts 18:26, Romans 16:3-4 , 1 Corinthians 16:19:,
2 Timothy 4:19:
Deborah – When there were Judges, Israel was being attacked. There was no man judge , . Deborah was a woman.
And the men said: hay, you may have heard from God that we can defeat them, but we're not going out there. She was the judge, she jumped into a chariot, off she gos, they had the victory, and even down to the fact of Sisera, the enemy, kinda wimped away, and crawled into a tent, invited in by Jael, a gentile women. And she offered him some sweet butter milk, lay down and rest yourself, and she drove a tent peg straight-through his head, she killed him. Man didn't get to destroy the enemy ,women did. Judges 5:1-2, Judges 5:6-7, Judges 5:5:12-13
Huldah – Prophetess II Kings II Chronicles Head of God's house. Men at one time in the scripture, they're confused, and they want to know what God has to say, so they went down to the university of God's house, The head of it was Huldah.
And Huldah helped them. So to say that women do not teach, we missed something some where. 2 Kings 22:13-16, 2 Kings 22:20, 2 Chronicles 34:22-28
Eunice and Lois - mother and grandmother of Timothy
Elizabeth – Luke 1:5-7, Luke 1:13, Luke 1:24-25, Luke 1:36, Luke 1:40-44, Luke 57-61 Mother of John the Baptist.
Euodias, and Syntyche: both women: Philippians 4 : 1- 4 -5.............
What dose the The Heavenly Father's Holy Spirit have to say about it ? The Holy Spirit was speaking through Peter and the eleven mind you. This is what was said :
Acts 2: [16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your" daughters shall prophesy," and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my"" handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:""
[19] And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
[20] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
[21] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
When something dose not add up, it means we have failed to understand the scriptures or check out what some one has taught us.
Let God's word in His totality speak. Don't forget these scriptures. Don't hold onto the traditions of men.
1 Corinthians 11 :
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Women where created, so that men, could be born, into the world.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
Matthew 7 :
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
[28] And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
[29] For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
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Have you seen in the forums how many women post on here debating and teaching men their doctrine? It amazes me at the hypocrisy of 'some' in the forums who will fight tooth and toenail to keep women under subjection and away from leadership and then allow women to fight right along the side of them against other men in theological arguments just to win their cause. That's just a double standard. Now, I ask you, should we believe those who don't follow their own standards of theology? You shouldn't, and I absolutely won't.
There is a female intern pastor at the church I have begun to attend. She is dedicated, and I believe she has stepped up because others would not, possibly out of a search for the perfect pastor and not finding one. I talked with her about some ideas I had for a bible drive, and she was supportive and encouraging. I do not view her as having power or authority over me, she is willing to listen to what all have to say and allows Christ to work through her and the church. I do not see this as being against Gods will.