Do you support female pastors?

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Shoud a woman be a pastor overseeing men?

  • Yes, I believe the bible support it.

    Votes: 32 23.7%

  • No, I believe it is unbiblical.

    Votes: 85 63.0%

  • Yes, because the although the bible speaks against it, times are changing.

    Votes: 4 3.0%

  • I will explain my view in my response below.

    Votes: 16 11.9%
  • Total voters
    135
phil36

phil36

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I 've read all the posts here, and reading scripture the only sensible and true statement is that women are not to be Pastors.. Call that sexist if you want or anti feminist. but the truth is thr truth.

All this really does stem from feminist movement and has somehow got a theology of its own, mixed in with Scripture. It is not biblical. It may be gender eqaulity to have female pastors/ministers... but not scriptural.

I can see all you ladies fizzing as you read this but I am not a chauvanist and unfortunatly if you hold this scriptural truth you seem to be labelled this way.

GB

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superdave5221

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Minnie said:
Paul does say that women should not teach men, however, Jesus does tell us that it is our responsibility not just our right to spread the good news of God. While that doesnt give an exact conclusion I think it would be safe to say that Jesus would rather a female preach that not tell anyone about the Good News at all. (correct me if I'm wrong :) )
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You're absolutely right Minnie. God does want us to spread the Gospel, women as well as men. The trouble begins when you extrapolate that into something that it is not. Women spreading the Gospel to unbelievers is a far cry from women having positions of authority over men in the church of God.

Many would be tempted to use the following in the same way.

Judges 4: 4 At that time Deborah, a prophetess, wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel

Deborah was definitely in a position of authority. But that was under the old covenant that passed away. Paul has made it plain what the order of government is to be under the new covenant, which will not pass away.

The church is seen as the bride of Christ. Just as the husband is the head of the family, Christ is the head of the church. How could a wife submit to her husband at home, and yet have authority over him in spiritual matters at church? Our God is a god of order, not disorder.
 
resurrection33

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SantoSubito said:
Christianity: 2.2 billion
Roman Catholicism: 1.166 billion (does not allow female priests)
Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy: 378 million (does not allow female priests)
Protestantism: about 800 million ( which we will assume half of which allow female pastors/priests)

Number of Christians that reject female pastors/priests: 1.944 billion
Number of Christians that accept female pastors/priests: 256 million

Number of Christians that reject female pastors/priests as a percentage: 88.37%
Number of Christians that accept female pastors/priests as a percentage: 11.63%

Does that get my point across? Also note that Roman Catholicism and Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy excommunicate any female who seeks ordination (even though that ordination would be invalid). For an example of Roman Catholicism's tolerance of female priests look up "Roman Catholic Women Priests".
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I am a United Methodist. In the United Methodist Church, if you are a woman and want to be a pastor, you will not be turned down simply because you are a woman.
 
phil36

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resurrection33 said:
Yes. I believe in equal rights for all people.
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We all have rights, but are all these equal?? or are all these right equal for all. Of course in a secular mindset they are. However, not so biblically.

I don't mean we don't treat everyone the same, we are to love everyone especially brothers and sisters in Christ. However, this does not mean that women can take on male biblical roles as ordained by God himself. Just because it is men who are Pastors does not mean women are not equal to men, or less than men because they are not to be Pastors.. that is a secular postmodern/feminist mindset and not biblical.

So I take it you would say marriage is 50/50 in all things? (bare in mind what scripture says)

GB

Phil
 
superdave5221

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phil36 said:
We all have rights, but are all these equal?? or are all these right equal for all. Of course in a secular mindset they are. However, not so biblically.

I don't mean we don't treat everyone the same, we are to love everyone especially brothers and sisters in Christ. However, this does not mean that women can take on male biblical roles as ordained by God himself. Just because it is men who are Pastors does not mean women are not equal to men, or less than men because they are not to be Pastors.. that is a secular postmodern/feminist mindset and not biblical.

So I take it you would say marriage is 50/50 in all things? (bare in mind what scripture says)

GB

Phil
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Quite right Phil! God has determined how His government should operate. To try to impose man's ideas of fairness and equality to God is akin to idolatry, i.e. creating an image of God in man's image. That is nothing to be proud of!
 
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SantoSubito

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I am a United Methodist. In the United Methodist Church, if you are a woman and want to be a pastor, you will not be turned down simply because you are a woman.
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That varies from church to church. There are some UM churches in my town that will accept women as pastors and some UM churches who won't.
 
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resurrection33

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superdave5221 said:
Quite right Phil! God has determined how His government should operate. To try to impose man's ideas of fairness and equality to God is akin to idolatry, i.e. creating an image of God in man's image. That is nothing to be proud of!
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No, I think the Lord gave us the ability to discern what is just and what is unjust. Why else would he have commanded us to be just?
 
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SantoSubito said:
That varies from church to church. There are some UM churches in my town that will accept women as pastors and some UM churches who won't.
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In the United Methodist church, I believe, the bishop decides who will be pastor at each church.
 
phil36

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resurrection33 said:
No, I think the Lord gave us the ability to discern what is just and what is unjust. Why else would he have commanded us to be just?
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The Lord does! However, it is not unjust that only men are Pastors, for only God is fully Just, not mans equality statements. why do you see it as unjust?

Gb

Phil
 
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phil36 said:
We all have rights, but are all these equal?? or are all these right equal for all. Of course in a secular mindset they are. However, not so biblically.

I don't mean we don't treat everyone the same, we are to love everyone especially brothers and sisters in Christ. However, this does not mean that women can take on male biblical roles as ordained by God himself. Just because it is men who are Pastors does not mean women are not equal to men, or less than men because they are not to be Pastors.. that is a secular postmodern/feminist mindset and not biblical.

So I take it you would say marriage is 50/50 in all things? (bare in mind what scripture says)

GB

Phil
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I believe a husband and wife have equal rights.
 
resurrection33

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phil36 said:
The Lord does! However, it is not unjust that only men are Pastors, for only God is fully Just, not mans equality statements. why do you see it as unjust?

Gb

Phil
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I think justice is self-evident, and I think it is unjust to prohibit women from becoming pastors.
 
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phil36 said:
Why is that.. an answer with scripture would be good?

Phil
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Jesus told us to be just:

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law, justice and mercy and faith; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Matt 23:23 RSV
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I believe justice is self-evident, and I believe depriving women of equal rights is unjust.
 
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I support anything God supports.

From my experience I have seen some women who call themselves Christians want to rise to power and it isn't good at all, so I have an attitude of extra caution when it comes to woman pastors, not that there can't be true ones but the devil tends to manipulate women who covet spiritual glory and position in the church more than men.
(and that is my opinion based on what Ive seen)
 
phil36

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resurrection33 said:
Jesus told us to be just:


I believe justice is self-evident, and I believe depriving women of equal rights is unjust.
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I have already said we all have rights and the only real justice is from God not what man may think it is. and especially not from a modern feminist mindset.

Are you now saying God is injust when he tells ,married ladies to submit to their husbands. this seems to be the case?

GB

Phil
 
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phil36 said:
I have already said we all have rights and the only real justice is from God not what man may think it is. and especially not from a modern feminist mindset.

Are you now saying God is injust when he tells ,married ladies to submit to their husbands. this seems to be the case?

GB

Phil
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I think Paul probably misspoke when he said women should submit to their husbands.
 
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