Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

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Yes, this is kinda of what I was trying to get at with many churches harping on Salvation because they approach God on a fear or reward basis.
The only example we have in this life is Jesus Christ to give us Hope, Purpose, Joy and Gratitude.
So it’s important to read the Bible or people’s interpretations of the Bible in context and as a whole.
Don‘t take a line from the Bible which speaks of love and use that to support Prostitution and don’t take another line from the Bible to support guns and the Republican Party.
Think about what would Jesus do?
Would He support extremism?
Your conscience should tell you No, He wouldn’t.
Exactly. And many Christians sin of extremism, just like we all do.

I think Jesus can forgive me, or at least I hope He does.
 

oyster67

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(Ed: Im not bisexual anymore
Good for you. Don't go back. You are free from that now.
I like women exclusively-in the LGBT community they say I am a lesbian
No need to consider yourself a lesbian if you are not sexually active. If you are, just stop. Take it to the Lord and leave it there. Just be an old oyster like me. (You said you were 50, that's old enough.)
biologically speaking I am still a man
...and biologically speaking, many of your lesbian friends are still women. Just be like me and try to be nice to everybody. Stay clean. The best is yet to come, dear friend in the Lord. It does not matter if our bodies and brains are not perfect. Father just wants us to do our best. He loves us very much. (y)
 
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It could be a birth defect, environmental issue, genetic issue, what may be the cause, but I read old medical journals years ago where Doctors, when faced with children born with both sexual organs, made many easy decisions like continue full process for male or chop and be a female.

And then I read journals Years Later, they began allowing children to keep both organs until the ages before kindergarten and the child would tell the parents if it was male or female by its natural actions.

But anyway, I have no idea if any of it fact or not, BUT, it has led to this thought.

Just what if, according to the example of the first Journals, you were a Girl, but when born had both sex organs and was turned into a Boy by doctor Choice playing God.

What do we do with this?
 

oyster67

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It could be a birth defect, environmental issue, genetic issue, what may be the cause, but I read old medical journals years ago where Doctors, when faced with children born with both sexual organs, made many easy decisions like continue full process for male or chop and be a female.

And then I read journals Years Later, they began allowing children to keep both organs until the ages before kindergarten and the child would tell the parents if it was male or female by its natural actions.

But anyway, I have no idea if any of it fact or not, BUT, it has led to this thought.

Just what if, according to the example of the first Journals, you were a Girl, but when born had both sex organs and was turned into a Boy by doctor Choice playing God.

What do we do with this?
I think I know what Jesus would do...
He would love them.

He still does. He expects us to do the same.
 
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I think I know what Jesus would do...
He would love them.

He still does. He expects us to do the same.
Amen!

So, if that Person was female, but made male by doctor choice, and God made that person Genetically Female with 2 X Chromosome to prove so. What do we advise such people? They really are and are not what God made. A doctor made a horrible mistake. Should we accept that person as female? The 2 X Chromosome Proof would sell me this was female. But are we now parading transgender acceptance? Or, medical Interference?
 

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I am. I like talking to people about God but only if provided the chance.
Good. Only take forward steps in obedience to God.
James 4:7 KJV
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Each time you resist the devil you will come out of the temptation triumphant in Christ. And into a larger place spiritually.
Keeping the right company will help.
Some Christians can be discouraging, but we are to run with patience after the Lord.
Hebrews 12:1 KJV
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
 
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Good. Only take forward steps in obedience to God.
James 4:7 KJV
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Each time you resist the devil you will come out of the temptation triumphant in Christ. And into a larger place spiritually.
Keeping the right company will help.
Some Christians can be discouraging, but we are to run with patience after the Lord.
Hebrews 12:1 KJV
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Beautiful words!!
 
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Good for you. Don't go back. You are free from that now.

No need to consider yourself a lesbian if you are not sexually active. If you are, just stop. Take it to the Lord and leave it there. Just be an old oyster like me. (You said you were 50, that's old enough.)

...and biologically speaking, many of your lesbian friends are still women. Just be like me and try to be nice to everybody. Stay clean. The best is yet to come, dear friend in the Lord. It does not matter if our bodies and brains are not perfect. Father just wants us to do our best. He loves us very much. (y)
Thanks!!!
 
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If you don't read the Bible for yourself how could you possible know that? Having grown up in the Methodist church, I know firsthand that the God they teach and preach is not the true God of the Bible. The Baptist church is getting where it's not much better.

I don't really know what the point of continuing with this would be. You see yourself as transgender and believe scientific studies have given you a legitimate out. Sounds to me like you already have all the answers you need so I won't waste any more of my time or yours.
It seems to me you are happy with a version of God that befits your views of hate towards others and not a version that has love for everyone. I know why you say that the UMC's God is nit the right God: They have transgender pastors.

Let me remind you that excluding people was also common practice among the "Christian" KKK.

About scientific studies let me ask you something: if a blood test said you had a disease, would you deny it only because its a scientific test?
 
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Yes so stop spilling hate toward me.

Why do you hate me so much?

Please stop hating me!
Youre just turning my words against me.

I dont even know who you are. I dont even have a reason to hate or be angry at you.

You on the other hand seem to hate me because you know I am transgender.

A Christian with hate is probably not a real Christian at heart. At least, its one who seriously needs to look himself or herself inside out, like we all are actually because we are all sinners. But hate is far worse than most sins.

The KKK called themselves Christian yet they hated everyone. I dont think that is really Christian.

People like you and Resident are the reason many who are in need of, and searching, get discouraged from attending church. By spilling anger, hate and turning people's own words against them, you kill the desire to get closer to God.

Think about that and ask God to help you, the way I do every night.
 
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If you don't read the Bible for yourself how could you possible know that? Having grown up in the Methodist church, I know firsthand that the God they teach and preach is not the true God of the Bible. The Baptist church is getting where it's not much better.

I don't really know what the point of continuing with this would be. You see yourself as transgender and believe scientific studies have given you a legitimate out. Sounds to me like you already have all the answers you need so I won't waste any more of my time or yours.
To me when I read the Bible as a youth in the UMC, there was nothing to indicate this was not the right God. In fact, we worshipped, we overjoyed and we left services feeling saved.
 

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Hello @Jeanette we;come to Christian chat. Forgive me but I admit I was confused whyen I read you were in the UMC I had never heard of that so you are in a methodist type thing or is it something else?
 
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Hello @Jeanette we;come to Christian chat. Forgive me but I admit I was confused whyen I read you were in the UMC I had never heard of that so you are in a methodist type thing or is it something else?
LOL.,..I was baptized there as a member.

Been so long, 35 years to be exact. No, I had to stop when my family moved to another country, the US. Here I became a member of the Baptist church and was a youth leader but that did not end well it ended with a dispute between me and my pastor. Over something I did not agree with which was that at my church, some teenagers were told to stop attending for talking or laughing during class. I reaised my voice because in my view God welcomed all, but after that and after someone in the church punched me-thus causing a fight as I defended myself I ended up being the next one kicked out. In hindsight I think no one handled that like we should including myself.

I later found a Friend's Church which is Quaker and found it to my liking, didnt get involved in the administrative side of things and just went to prayer service and Bible study. But I moved and am now a but far from the next church.

Your name is Blain, ah? You are named like one of the characters in one of my favorite movies, Pretty in Pink!

Thanks for the message! God bless you! Hope we'll keep on chatting here!
 

Blain

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LOL.,..I was baptized there as a member.

Been so long, 35 years to be exact. No, I had to stop when my family moved to another country, the US. Here I became a member of the Baptist church and was a youth leader but that did not end well it ended with a dispute between me and my pastor. Over something I did not agree with which was that at my church, some teenagers were told to stop attending for talking or laughing during class. I reaised my voice because in my view God welcomed all, but after that and after someone in the church punched me-thus causing a fight as I defended myself I ended up being the next one kicked out. In hindsight I think no one handled that like we should including myself.

I later found a Friend's Church which is Quaker and found it to my liking, didnt get involved in the administrative side of things and just went to prayer service and Bible study. But I moved and am now a but far from the next church.

Your name is Blain, ah? You are named like one of the characters in one of my favorite movies, Pretty in Pink!

Thanks for the message! God bless you! Hope we'll keep on chatting here!
Oh wow kind of sounds like you dodged a bullet with that church to be honest. I think I may have seen pretty in pink as a movie as a kid my mom got me into her genra of books and movies from her life but I don't have the best memory.

My name is also in the bible and kind of makes me think my mom knew what she was doing when she named me she really didn't like me.

In the bible a blain or blaine is those sores that grew all over the egyptions when Pharoh wouldn't set the Jews free.
 
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Oh wow kind of sounds like you dodged a bullet with that church to be honest. I think I may have seen pretty in pink as a movie as a kid my mom got me into her genra of books and movies from her life but I don't have the best memory.

My name is also in the bible and kind of makes me think my mom knew what she was doing when she named me she really didn't like me.

In the bible a blain or blaine is those sores that grew all over the egyptions when Pharoh wouldn't set the Jews free.
Wow I didnt know that!!! I gues we al learn something new every day lol

I loved that movie because not only did I have a crush on Molly Ringwald the main star, but my grandpa used to say I had huge lips and she was famous for that, and so even though I never looked anything like her I started seeing her every time I saw myself in the mirror LOL..Plus its a classic..I think she should have ended up with Duckie haha!

Anyways yeah I hope being here enables me to continue my journey towards eternity with the Lord..its been a flawed one but that is where I hope I can land this plane at the end. God bless!
 

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Wow I didnt know that!!! I gues we al learn something new every day lol

I loved that movie because not only did I have a crush on Molly Ringwald the main star, but my grandpa used to say I had huge lips and she was famous for that, and so even though I never looked anything like her I started seeing her every time I saw myself in the mirror LOL..Plus its a classic..I think she should have ended up with Duckie haha!

Anyways yeah I hope being here enables me to continue my journey towards eternity with the Lord..its been a flawed one but that is where I hope I can land this plane at the end. God bless!
AHA I knew it sounded familiar I agree she should have ended up with Duckie, and yeah I saw some of the stuff you had to deal with I have to be honest I went on a rant earlier about my confusion on transgenders, I don't go around damning them to hell or even tell them they are sinners but I do know that the gender you are is decided by the x and y chromosomes The human body has 23 in total it leaves room only for one extra Chromosome this extra is what decideds whether it is male or female when they are born and they carry the domanent Chromosomes in their dna so even if one changes their body to appear as a different sex God made them fearfully and wonderfully made he loves you as you are no matter if you don't feel like you were born the right gender or something to me it seems more of an identity issue than anything not really about what gender.


Of course I cannot speak for anyone I don't know the struggle of what that comes with and I also don't know the alienation some of them go through because of it.

But in the end God loves you for you and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise I can see the sincerity in your heart for him it feels so genuine it honrstly makes me smile
 
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AHA I knew it sounded familiar I agree she should have ended up with Duckie, and yeah I saw some of the stuff you had to deal with I have to be honest I went on a rant earlier about my confusion on transgenders, I don't go around damning them to hell or even tell them they are sinners but I do know that the gender you are is decided by the x and y chromosomes The human body has 23 in total it leaves room only for one extra Chromosome this extra is what decideds whether it is male or female when they are born and they carry the domanent Chromosomes in their dna so even if one changes their body to appear as a different sex God made them fearfully and wonderfully made he loves you as you are no matter if you don't feel like you were born the right gender or something to me it seems more of an identity issue than anything not really about what gender.


Of course I cannot speak for anyone I don't know the struggle of what that comes with and I also don't know the alienation some of them go through because of it.

But in the end God loves you for you and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise I can see the sincerity in your heart for him it feels so genuine it honrstly makes me smile
Thanks brother!!