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Indeed, I keep showing Wars 2 and explaining that the Jews refused to worship Nero/Ceasar and so revolted instead( first Jewish revolt) but they still contend someone worshiped the image and was dstroyed in ad70,lol.
What amazes me is how some take 2nd Peter and say that the literal destruction by flood was real, but the world reserved unto fire and to be destroyed by fire is not literal but symbolic...........or how some can say Jesus used a misrepresentation and something false to teach truth (Luke 16)........I just cannot comprehend and or receive that type of reasoning.....
 
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I still wish even though the thread author is banned that one of those who shared a like mind as him as towards preterism could elaborate as to how they come to the conclusion that Revelation 13:15 could be spiritual and not literal.
Maybe you could give us some insight on how God sealed His servants while you are at it.

(Rev 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. )
 

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What amazes me is how some take 2nd Peter and say that the literal destruction by flood was real, but the world reserved unto fire and to be destroyed by fire is not literal but symbolic...........or how some can say Jesus used a misrepresentation and something false to teach truth (Luke 16)........I just cannot comprehend and or receive that type of reasoning.....

I agree or if the third wall was not completed until ad66 and is referenced in Rev.(stones/talent) and Nero died in ad68 then Nero cant be the head that recieved the deadly wound and then healed.
 

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you've got an army and you are supposed to take a city with it.
what are you going to do with your army - move it into the city or spread it out chasing civilians in the mountains?
so the fact that anywhere a person could go, a person could also go, doesn't mean fleeing a city that is about to be invaded is futile or unreasonable.
Well, that is certainly not what Jesus meant by:

Luke 21:19By your patient endurance, you will gain your souls. 20But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near.21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

It was not about forecasting wars and how to escape those wars, it was about salvation.
Anyone could have escaped a charging army including the Pharisees, but this was about believers and more of a spiritual fulfillment of what was prophesied through Israel:

Jer 24:
5“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Like these good figs, so I regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I have sent away from this place to the land of the Chaldeans.c 6I will keep My eyes on them for good and will return them to this land. I will build them up and not tear them down; I will plant them and not uproot them. 7I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD. They will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with all their heart.

8But like the bad figs, so bad they cannot be eaten, says the LORD, so will I deal with Zedekiah king of Judah, his officials, and the remnant of Jerusalem—those remaining in this land and those living in the land of Egypt.9I will make them a horror and an offense to all the kingdoms of the earth, a disgrace and an object of scorn, ridicule, and cursing wherever I have banished them. 10And I will send the sword, famine, and plague against them, until they have perished from the land I gave to them and their fathers.’”
 
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I agree or if the third wall was not completed until ad66 and is referenced in Rev.(stones/talent) and Nero died in ad68 then Nero cant be the head that recieved the deadly wound and then healed.
Exactly......Nero was an evil man for sure and against Christ, but not THE BEAST....many reject the following truth about the beast of Revelation and or simply miss it or dismiss it...THE BEAST that...

WAS
IS NOT
SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE PIT

Think about the implication of that truth.....and applied to the personal pronouns used and directed at THAT MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION......
 

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Maybe you could give us some insight on how God sealed His servants while you are at it.

(Rev 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. )

lol, Your missing the point. If they worship the image then their "spiritually dead" ,,,,,,the ones who refuse to worship the image are not deceived and so don't and then are not spiritually dead. So the beast dont decieve them spiritually and so he kills them the only other possible way "he literally kills them" in Revelation 13:15.
 
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Maybe you could give us some insight on how God sealed His servants while you are at it.

(Rev 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. )
Maybe you should pay attention to the text....

a. It is an angel, NOT the Holy Spirit that is sealing

b. HE ASCENDS FROM THE EAST while telling the angel that is DESCENDING TO THE EARTH NOT TO HURT THE EARTH UNTIL HE SEALS THEM (ascend is same word applied to CHRIST when he ascended into the heaven).

And what on earth does that have to do with the timing of the end of the age
 

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Exactly......Nero was an evil man for sure and against Christ, but not THE BEAST....many reject the following truth about the beast of Revelation and or simply miss it or dismiss it...THE BEAST that...

WAS
IS NOT
SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE PIT

Think about the implication of that truth.....and applied to the personal pronouns used and directed at THAT MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION......

Indeed, in Revelation 17:8 the beast is said to "ascend up out of the pit' so at the time(what year) Revelation was written the angel thinks the beast that was,was not,yet is was "in the pit" so it was put in the pit prior to the writing of Revelation.
 
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Indeed, in Revelation 17:8 the beast is said to "ascend up out of the pit' so at the time(what year) Revelation was written the angel thinks the beast that was,was not,yet is was "in the pit" so it was put in the pit prior to the writing of Revelation.
John was inspired to write what was written......when he pens Revelation, whomever or whatever the beast is.....was, is not and shall ascend out of the pit......very deep truth with very deep implications
 

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John was inspired to write what was written......when he pens Revelation, whomever or whatever the beast is.....was, is not and shall ascend out of the pit......very deep truth with very deep implications

When he ascends out from the pit then the angel say's, "even he is the eight and is of the seven" so I think he wasn't counted among the seven heads of the beast originally but received a deadly wound prior to Revelation and was in the pit in Rev.17:8 then it's healed Rev.13b and rises again.
 
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When he ascends out from the pit then the angel say's, "even he is the eight and is of the seven" so I think he wasn't counted among the seven heads of the beast originally but received a deadly wound prior to Revelation and was in the pit in Rev.17:8 then it's healed Rev.13b and rises again.
Think about 2nd Thessalonians 2 and how he is called....THAT man of SIN, THE Son of Perdition....

Who else is CALLED a devil from the beginning and THE SON OF PERDITION....

The definite article "the" CANNOT BE IGNORED.......just saying...it points to what is KNOWN......!!!
 
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lol, Your missing the point. If they worship the image then their "spiritually dead" ,,,,,,the ones who refuse to worship the image are not deceived and so don't and then are not spiritually dead. So the beast dont decieve them spiritually and so he kills them the only other possible way "he literally kills them" in Revelation 13:15.
The point missing is you not answering the actual question - as usual lol.
 

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The point missing is you not answering the actual question - as usual lol.
lol, unless everyone clicks the back arrow in our post then they'll work their way back to my question and realize you answered my question with another question. What will those think who have set their trust in you if they look back at our post my friend,lol.
 
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lol, unless everyone clicks the back arrow in our post then they'll work their way back to my question and realize you answered my question with another question. What will those think who have set their trust in you if they look back at our post my friend,lol.
I don't think so, all you've done so far is prattle on about the 3rd wall etc.

3rd Reich, 3rd temple all meaningless. lol.
 

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I'll respond to your question with another question - why don't you actually answer my previous questions to you prior to post #377 - "lol"

Because I think it's obvious that you cant answer post #377 and so I think I'll wait till who ever taught you chimes in...