Doctrine of Demons

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If the gifts were still present, your demonology doctrines would still be against the word
and a shame to most believers who honor God. So your stand on the belief that there was
no ceasing of the gifts just wont help you.

My Gods words says to war Satan in Jesus name. I find it funny some time ago zone came in here with her anti God message talking hateful to me. I talked not so nice back to her as she talked wrong to me. She didn't like it one bit. She is more used to the nice nice Christians kissing her butt. Although she was the one who started the ugly talk she was mad. She said I'm telling on you and I'm getting you kicked off of here. I keep thinking that is just like you did too. Started telling me how ignorant I was and how you were getting me kicked off of here. Neither one of you believe in the word of God.

God is dead to you. God is not dead to me and lots of others. You can not be saved and say God is dead.
 
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Well in fact there is no one here that can state TRUTHFULLY that the doctrine of the Bible be it KJV NIV or whatever is all and absolutely Gods words NO ONE. The book has gone through so many language translations alone in 2000 years not to mention versions of itself.
Lets look back to the first amalgamation of the Bible at the council of mycenae in the 4th century AD there were many books of antiquity..I.E the book of Enoch etc. that they never included just for starters....Not saying it is good or bad or taking anyones side here just stating the facts.
It has been translated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to old English to Middle english to Modern English. This leaves lots of room for erros and MUCH DEBATE.............I guess what I'm saying is the WORD is in their in one form or another and it speaks to us in many different forms. The whole debate over cessationism vs orthodoxyism only serves to put up barriers between brethren. This hypocrasy is as old as the faith itself.
The parable of the sower illustrates this very well, I think anyway.......see there I go........ It's very hard not to put I before thee but it's necessary so that our eyes and ears will be opened to the true meaning of the word.

I LOVE YOU ALL EVEN IF MY WORDS DON'T SHOW IT SOMETIMES

SELAH
 
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stop giving satan and his minions so much credit; they love that.

Seems like it right? But no. EXPOSING Demons and the lies they perpetrate through humans, are NOT giving them credit. its exposing them to the LIGHT of TRUTH. The bible said that there ARE doctrine of demons right? they wisper to the ear of MEN, and make MAN twist the WORD OF GOD into something that caters to THERE flesh.


WHAT is GODS anger? the Anger of the LORD?

2 Samuel 24:1
'And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah."

1 Chronicles 21:1
"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."


It is the enemy. If YOU are not in right standing with GOD, walkign in HIS covenant, in the blood, IF you are in rebellion with GOD, HE lowers he hedge of protection around you, because you are rebellious, and then allows the enemy(his weapon, his anger) to come agaisnt you. They come in as bitternes, anger, rage, lust, pride, arrogance, fear, lazyness, all forms of sin to GOD. They build strongholds in you, blind you, and then YOU think you are fine.

"Put to death therefore your members(flesh nature) which are upon the earth: fornication(sexual, and spiritual), uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry;" Colossians 3:5

"Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumbling block of their iniquity before their face(they cant SEE WHAT THEY ARE IN): should I be inquired of at all by them?" Ezekiel 14:3



YOU think you are..."I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" Revelation 3:17

and THIS is what the demons do to us. THIS is what the anger of the lord does to those who DO NOT FEAR THE LORD. you fear the LORD you obey him. and you are made RIGHTEOUS by HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. If you DONT then the STRONG DELUSION(stumbling block of iniquity before there eyes) are set on them.


So you see why its improtant to see what the "demons" do? They make "christian man" an idolater. Where the "christian" puts his opinion of GOD above the actual GOD, making his OWN God. and stays in the flesh. Its Satans Goal, to have ALL the chidlren of GOd to be as LEAST like JEsus as possible, and as MUCH in the flesh(whci his covenatn to satan the spirit of the WORLD canral mind which is emnemy of the ming of CHRIST/GOD)

SO thats why occasionaly I will talk about Demons. I agree we shouldnt make DEMONS our main conversation. But some peopel dont even belive they factor in in a Christians life, but in fact DEMONS is what e are overcomming. THERE strongholds in us. We must humble self, deny self, and allow JESUS to break down all flesh, world satan, demon strongholds in us.


Its CRUCIAL that we make constadn daily assurence of our right stadnign with God. Ask him to revel to us ALL hiden sin/strongholds, ALL deception and keep us from any more. and ALL rebelion and make SURE that we areacceptible to The LORD. Then we will always have the peace that passes aLL understadning, we WIL walk in victory in the spirit, becasue IN JESUS CHRIST we are more then overcomemrs because HE overcame allready.

But we must STAY IN HIM, remain in him. cant do that buy saying "Lord Lord" with your mouth. but buy CONSTAND obedience to HIM. May Jesus bless you.
 
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Seems like it right? But no. EXPOSING Demons and the lies they perpetrate through humans, are NOT giving them credit. its exposing them to the LIGHT of TRUTH. The bible said that there ARE doctrine of demons right? they wisper to the ear of MEN, and make MAN twist the WORD OF GOD into something that caters to THERE flesh.


WHAT is GODS anger? the Anger of the LORD?

2 Samuel 24:1
'And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah."

1 Chronicles 21:1
"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel."


It is the enemy. If YOU are not in right standing with GOD, walkign in HIS covenant, in the blood, IF you are in rebellion with GOD, HE lowers he hedge of protection around you, because you are rebellious, and then allows the enemy(his weapon, his anger) to come agaisnt you. They come in as bitternes, anger, rage, lust, pride, arrogance, fear, lazyness, all forms of sin to GOD. They build strongholds in you, blind you, and then YOU think you are fine.

"Put to death therefore your members(flesh nature) which are upon the earth: fornication(sexual, and spiritual), uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry;" Colossians 3:5

"Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumbling block of their iniquity before their face(they cant SEE WHAT THEY ARE IN): should I be inquired of at all by them?" Ezekiel 14:3



YOU think you are..."I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" Revelation 3:17

and THIS is what the demons do to us. THIS is what the anger of the lord does to those who DO NOT FEAR THE LORD. you fear the LORD you obey him. and you are made RIGHTEOUS by HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. If you DONT then the STRONG DELUSION(stumbling block of iniquity before there eyes) are set on them.


So you see why its improtant to see what the "demons" do? They make "christian man" an idolater. Where the "christian" puts his opinion of GOD above the actual GOD, making his OWN God. and stays in the flesh. Its Satans Goal, to have ALL the chidlren of GOd to be as LEAST like JEsus as possible, and as MUCH in the flesh(whci his covenatn to satan the spirit of the WORLD canral mind which is emnemy of the ming of CHRIST/GOD)

SO thats why occasionaly I will talk about Demons. I agree we shouldnt make DEMONS our main conversation. But some peopel dont even belive they factor in in a Christians life, but in fact DEMONS is what e are overcomming. THERE strongholds in us. We must humble self, deny self, and allow JESUS to break down all flesh, world satan, demon strongholds in us.


Its CRUCIAL that we make constadn daily assurence of our right stadnign with God. Ask him to revel to us ALL hiden sin/strongholds, ALL deception and keep us from any more. and ALL rebelion and make SURE that we areacceptible to The LORD. Then we will always have the peace that passes aLL understadning, we WIL walk in victory in the spirit, becasue IN JESUS CHRIST we are more then overcomemrs because HE overcame allready.

But we must STAY IN HIM, remain in him. cant do that buy saying "Lord Lord" with your mouth. but buy CONSTAND obedience to HIM. May Jesus bless you.
If you feel the truth of the Word in your heart not your mind then how can You deny it?
Matthew 9:5 (Whole Chapter)
For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
 
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My Gods words says to war Satan in Jesus name. I find it funny some time ago zone came in here with her anti God message talking hateful to me. I talked not so nice back to her as she talked wrong to me. She didn't like it one bit. She is more used to the nice nice Christians kissing her butt. Although she was the one who started the ugly talk she was mad. She said I'm telling on you and I'm getting you kicked off of here. I keep thinking that is just like you did too. Started telling me how ignorant I was and how you were getting me kicked off of here. Neither one of you believe in the word of God.

God is dead to you. God is not dead to me and lots of others. You can not be saved and say God is dead.
No im sorry, telling you that your doctrines dont come from the bible doesnt make God dead
And by the way i met zone as she was disagreeing with me and it lasted for days. There was
no offence taken. It was about the word of God. And i knew that. Yes i did ask for you to be
kicked off. Was told no. You teach extrabiblical doctrine thats a danger to the saints.
 

zone

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Re: Spiritual Warfare - Doctrine of Demons

Mystical Views of Spiritual Warfare

It is all too common today for a spiritual warfare teacher to get up and bombard his listeners with story after story, experience after experience, from which he draws conclusions that form his views on spiritual warfare. More often that not, this kind of "skyscraper preaching" (sermons with one story stacked upon another) results in an approach to spiritual warfare that is built upon practices and techniques which do not measure up to God's Word.

For example: often one begins to teach that Christians can be demon-possessed or something similar; Christians can inherit curses from parents; Christians need deliverance from certain kinds of sins in addition to the forgiveness received at salvation; Christians need to speak or do things to protect themselves and their loved ones from the demonic; Christians can boss Satan around by rebuking, binding, taking authority over him, or running him out of town, usually by sundown, all in the name of Jesus; demons occupy territories because of specific sins of those people which supposedly have given a basis for the demonic stronghold, instead of by permission of the sovereign will of God. These kinds of beliefs are mere superstition, the product of false mystical experiences which do not match up with the teaching of Holy Writ.

Deceitful Spirits

We are seeing an amazing development in our day. The more pervasive that the current versions of mystical "spiritual warfare" become within the church, there seems to be a corresponding rise of the abandonment of examining teaching and practice in the light of Scripture. The average evangelical seems to be persuaded by a pragmatic polemic (i.e., sincerity of the teacher and "it seems to help people") rather than Biblical doctrine.

The New Testament predicts that the "latter times" of the church age would be a time of great deception within the church (1 Tim. 4:1-4):
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, ... In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, {constantly} nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following (1 Tim. 4:1,6).
What does the phrase "later times" mean? It very likely refers to the "later times" of the current church age. Notice Paul did not say, "in these last days" as the writer of Hebrews did to refer to the whole church age (1:2). Paul used a different expression to convey the clear idea that the Holy Spirit is talking about the "later times" of the current church age. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is giving a dual warning for the church in our day—first, "not to fall away {lit. apostatize} from the faith,"and second, don't pay "attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons." In addition to the problem of apostasy we experience in the church today, the second warning is especially interesting in light of the fact that those within the church who depart from the faith are said to be especially open to demonic teachings.

It is significant that both Biblical terms for the demonic are used in this verse: "spirits" and "demons."A clear contrast is set between what the Holy Spirit is explicitly saying as opposed to what "deceitful spirits" and "demons" are saying. The Holy Spirit's teaching that the "later times" will be characterized by apostasy in the church is strengthened by the addition of the term "explicitly," so that there is no mistaking what He is trying to say. However, many of us today in these "latter times" who repeat the Spirit-inspired warning about the increase in apostasy are accused of being negative, divisive, and obstructing the work of the Holy Spirit. Yet, at the same time, these critics are teaching things which can be proved from the Bible to be error. This passage would lead us to believe that they are "paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons." "Deceitful spirits" are the agents Satan uses to generate these teachings, which are then said to be described as "doctrines of demons"—that is, doctrines that come from demons.

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zone

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The following is an examination of some of the more popular, but according to Scripture, false spiritual warfare clichés:

1. Binding Satan:

In the early 1970s, attended my first "deliverance" service. The one conducting it was a well-known pioneer in the field. Many bizarre things happened at the service. Many of the demons had names, such as the demon of lust, gluttony, worry, gossip, criticism, etc. One demon was even named after a particular food.

The "deliverance" evangelist had a routine which he would follow in casting out demons from these people. First, he would find out a little about the individual. He would then ask them what their problem was. (He always assumed that it was caused by a demon rather than some other source.) Then he could speak authoritatively to the demon and command the demons to manifest themselves. Having done this, he would usually carry on a conversation with the demon, often quite humorous, as he would insult, question, and finally command the demon to leave in the name of Jesus and by the power of the blood of Christ. Some demons would require several conversations before they would finally leave. One of the things he always did when he was commanding them to depart was to bind them and send them to the "pit of hell."

The practice of binding Satan and/or the demons and evil spirits is not only something which some professing Christians do during public and private deliverance sessions, but it is often a personal activity exercised on a regular basis by a growing number of professing Christians. Sometimes a person will pray that Satan will be bound from blinding a person to whom they are presenting the gospel, in the belief that this will improve the likelihood of that person trusting Christ as his Savior. Or someone might pray that an upcoming event would be protected from the influence of the demonic by binding the demons from having influence in relation to that event. On other occasions, people attempt to bind Satan and his demons from certain geographical locations, such as a new house the person will be moving into, a new church building, or a particular location in a city or neighborhood. Doing this, it is believed, could affect the power and moving of God in the lives of believers as well as unbelievers. (See point #3 below.)

One instance recall from about 20 years ago, a group of professing believers wanted a particular piece of property for their ministry. One evening, they marched around the tract of land claiming it for themselves and "pleading the blood" over it. They believed that this was an act of faith that God would honor. This practice, and many others like it, is viewed by some to be a central practice to engaging in successful spiritual warfare. Lets look at the primary Bible passages from which those who hold these beliefs say they have a Scriptural mandate for such practices:

Mandate for Binding?

The misinterpretation of three passages in Matthew form the basis for the popular "binding" teaching and practice. First, Matthew 12:29, in which Jesus said, "How can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man?" This statement by Christ was made as part of an illustration meant to refute the Pharisees' claim that Jesus "casts out demons only by Beelzebub the ruler of the demons"(12:24). The Pharisees did not want to admit, as many of the people were beginning to suggest, that Jesus was the Son of David (12:23). Therefore, they attributed His exorcism to an alliance with Beelzebub, the only other supernatural alternative in the universe. Christ replied that He is more powerful than Satan, by pointing out that one would have to control the strong man before his house could be robbed. The logic is that Christ was not in league with Satan, but was accomplishing His exorcisms by the true power of God. It would be wrong to conclude from this passage that Christ was laying down a universal pattern for believers to follow. Instead, this was a historic illustration of Christ's personal power over Satan.

There is coming a day when the strong man will be bound, along with his demonic host, and we do not have to speculate as to when that will be. Revelation 20:1-3 says that Satan will be bound for 1,000 years shortly after Christ's Second Coming. Following the Millennium, Satan will be deposited into the lake of fire for all eternity (Rev. 20:10). In the meantime, during the current age, Satan is "a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour" (1 Pe. 5:7). The antidote for the believer is not to bind him (if Satan and the demons are being bound, who keeps letting them loose anyway?), but as 1 Peter 5:8 instructs, to "resist him, firm in your faith." Jesus Himself will bind the strong man, Satan, on behalf of His followers at a future time. He does not use believers to act in His behalf in this area. God will not be using believers to round up Satan and put him out of commission by binding. Instead, the means God will use is stated clearly in Revelation 20:1, where it says that "an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand," will do the honors. Therefore, the idea that believers have removed Satan and his demon armies from spheres of influence because they have prayed for Satan's binding, is not found in the Bible and is, thereby, unbiblical....

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The following is an examination of some of the more popular, but according to Scripture, false spiritual warfare clichés:

2. Rebuking the Devil:

Many people are being lead astray by deliverance teachings which promise instantaneous victory over one's problems by a timely rebuke of the devil. This misleads people from the Biblical path of exercising endurance or patience in meeting their trials. As a result, many believers are not developing the kind of proven character they need to handle trials.

This character-building approach is illustrated by Paul's thorn in the flesh (2 Cor. 12:7-10). The thorn is described as "a messenger of Satan to buffet me—to keep me from exalting myself" (12:7). It is possible this messenger was a demon. The Greek word for messenger is "angelos," the word for angel. This kind of situation is often viewed today by deliverance teachers as something which is not in keeping with the will of God, and they would seek to rebuke this "messenger of Satan" and run him out of town by giving him two black eyes in the process. This was not Paul's response. Instead, he "entreated the Lord three times that it might depart from me" (12:8). Yet God did not grant Paul's request. But don't we have power in the name of Jesus? Yes, we do, but it is to be exercised within the will of God. The Lord was more interested in building Christ-like character in Paul as a true display of His power (12:9) than in putting on the kind of fireworks display which many today are calling "power encounters."

Within certain circles today, it is common to hear a speaker lash out against Satan with various rebukes. Often the speaker will rebuke Satan in the area of health, wealth, and peace of mind. It is not unusual to hear more preaching against Satan and the demonic than to hear preaching which focuses in on Christ and His resources. Many people become so concerned with what the devil is doing that they take their eyes off the Lord.

We must realize that believers are NEVER instructed to rebuke the devil or his demons. The New Testament views rebuking as the sole prerogative of Jesus as an expression of His lordship and sovereignty over the spirit realm. The only acceptable condition for a believer to rebuke is when he lovingly corrects a brother fallen into sin (Lk. 17:3; 1 Tim. 5:20). Throughout the New Testament, rebuke is understood as the sole prerogative of the Lord. This is why Michael said when challenged by Satan, "The Lord rebuke you" (Jude 9).

Marks of a False Prophet

2 Peter 2 describes and denounces false prophets who will be active within the church until the second coming of Christ. Peter exposes their self-centered motives and conduct in the first three verses, and then pronounces their condemnation (4-9). The rest of the chapter concludes with a description of their characteristics. One characteristic that the contemporary church would do well to take note of is found in verse 10:

"Especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desire and despise authority. Daring self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties."

The earlier context indicates that these self-willed false prophets were engaged in reviling fallen angelic majesties—demons. Remember that this is something which is characteristic of false prophets, so it is a warning for Christians not to engage in such practices.

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lengthy exposes of the movement, the cliches to recognize, and how this will land people in hell:

Spiritual Warfare - False Cliches
 
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Yah, but not everything is the fault of satan and demons. I think its funny that people blame the enemy for their own mistakes. Every time we speak his name and blame him for things; he's just smiling happy that he's noticed. It's kind of like a child that wants attention whether good or bad they want attention and if they get it they're happy.
 
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Re: Spiritual Warfare - Doctrine of Demons

Mystical Views of Spiritual Warfare

It is all too common today for a spiritual warfare teacher to get up and bombard his listeners with story after story, experience after experience, from which he draws conclusions that form his views on spiritual warfare. More often that not, this kind of "skyscraper preaching" (sermons with one story stacked upon another) results in an approach to spiritual warfare that is built upon practices and techniques which do not measure up to God's Word.

For example: often one begins to teach that Christians can be demon-possessed or something similar; Christians can inherit curses from parents; Christians need deliverance from certain kinds of sins in addition to the forgiveness received at salvation; Christians need to speak or do things to protect themselves and their loved ones from the demonic; Christians can boss Satan around by rebuking, binding, taking authority over him, or running him out of town, usually by sundown, all in the name of Jesus; demons occupy territories because of specific sins of those people which supposedly have given a basis for the demonic stronghold, instead of by permission of the sovereign will of God. These kinds of beliefs are mere superstition, the product of false mystical experiences which do not match up with the teaching of Holy Writ.

Deceitful Spirits

We are seeing an amazing development in our day. The more pervasive that the current versions of mystical "spiritual warfare" become within the church, there seems to be a corresponding rise of the abandonment of examining teaching and practice in the light of Scripture. The average evangelical seems to be persuaded by a pragmatic polemic (i.e., sincerity of the teacher and "it seems to help people") rather than Biblical doctrine.

The New Testament predicts that the "latter times" of the church age would be a time of great deception within the church (1 Tim. 4:1-4):
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, ... In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, {constantly} nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following (1 Tim. 4:1,6).
What does the phrase "later times" mean? It very likely refers to the "later times" of the current church age. Notice Paul did not say, "in these last days" as the writer of Hebrews did to refer to the whole church age (1:2). Paul used a different expression to convey the clear idea that the Holy Spirit is talking about the "later times" of the current church age. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is giving a dual warning for the church in our day—first, "not to fall away {lit. apostatize} from the faith,"and second, don't pay "attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons." In addition to the problem of apostasy we experience in the church today, the second warning is especially interesting in light of the fact that those within the church who depart from the faith are said to be especially open to demonic teachings.

It is significant that both Biblical terms for the demonic are used in this verse: "spirits" and "demons."A clear contrast is set between what the Holy Spirit is explicitly saying as opposed to what "deceitful spirits" and "demons" are saying. The Holy Spirit's teaching that the "later times" will be characterized by apostasy in the church is strengthened by the addition of the term "explicitly," so that there is no mistaking what He is trying to say. However, many of us today in these "latter times" who repeat the Spirit-inspired warning about the increase in apostasy are accused of being negative, divisive, and obstructing the work of the Holy Spirit. Yet, at the same time, these critics are teaching things which can be proved from the Bible to be error. This passage would lead us to believe that they are "paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons." "Deceitful spirits" are the agents Satan uses to generate these teachings, which are then said to be described as "doctrines of demons"—that is, doctrines that come from demons.

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Zone that has to be the wisest piece of insight I have seen here yet YOU AMAZE ME!

Just sayin's all!!!
I love you
 
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Yah, but not everything is the fault of satan and demons. I think its funny that people blame the enemy for their own mistakes. Every time we speak his name and blame him for things; he's just smiling happy that he's noticed. It's kind of like a child that wants attention whether good or bad they want attention and if they get it they're happy.

No not at all. GOD is in ALL control. and WE are the ones who allow the wisperers to become OUR lord.(idolatry)

EVERYONE has a lord. and its either JESUS or the evil Spirits that wisper to the flesh. I blame MAN for what MAN does. THEY allow GOD to be lord, or they allow SATAN and his demosn to be LORD. someones got to be LORD of your heart. So its MANS job to stay humble, beg to be kept from deception and STAY obedient.

1 Corinthians 10:21-22
"You cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: you cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?"

JESUS wants 100% or our heart. He wants 100% or our love. ALL heart, ALL soul, ALL strength. We can not have TWO masters. Thats double midnedness. Lukewarmness. Cant be of the WORLD and of GOD. one or the other. CANT follow Flesh, AND spirit, one or the other. Cant obey Demons AND Jesus. One or the other.

its left up to US Once God leads us to Jesus..

Jesus Bles you Needsomejesus :)
 
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  1. Matthew 5:6
    Blessed and fortunate and happy and spiritually prosperous (in that state in which the born-again child of God enjoys His favor and salvation) are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness (uprightness and right standing with God), for they shall be completely satisfied!
    Matthew 5:5-7 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
My righteousness is still pitiful. No matter the sanctification that God imparts on me day by day.

Do you have perfect standing with God through your WORKS?

Or from Christs righteousness?
 
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My righteousness is still pitiful. No matter the sanctification that God imparts on me day by day.

Do you have perfect standing with God through your WORKS?

Or from Christs righteousness?

DOC! YOUR righteousness in the FLESH, doesnt factor in anymore IF YOU ARE INSIDE JESUS. IF, if, if, if.


1 John 3:5
"And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin"

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one also that doeth righteousness is begotten of him.

You BETTER BE RIGHTEOUS. its not matter of you are now allowed to be. Jesus made it possible that you WILL BE. But if you are NOT, if you are NOT obedeint, if you are NOT holy. if you are NOT righteous. if you are NOT puttign to death the deeds of the flesh.

if Someone are NOT pleasing to GOD. then that means that person is NOT IN JESUS and they better repent and get there. MAKE SURE GOD is pelased. make sure you are producing FRUIT. Make sure that GOD is happy with you.
 
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Colossians 1:9-12
For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; That you might walk worthy of the Lord to all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, to all patience and long-suffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks to the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

2 Corinthians 5:9
Wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.

Ephesians 5:8-10
"For you were sometimes darkness, but now are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) Proving what is acceptable(pleasing) to the Lord.

1 thesalonians 2:12
That you would walk worthy of God, who has called you to his kingdom and glory.

the HOLY SPIRIT bears righteousness, so if you are NOT righteous and beccoming MORE rightoeus then SEARCH YOUR HEART in humiltiy on your knees before the Almighty. YOUR OLD MAN MUST DIE. So if the flesh still lives, if there are still strongholds in you, then there are problems, and you will NOT have the walk of Holyness that GOD desires for you. A Walk Worthy of GOD.

SO, its YOUR priority to MAKE SURE you are ALWAYS pleasing to GOD. THAT is FEAR of the LORD(which is only the BEGINING of wisdom). ANY gospel that leaves OUT the FEAR of the LORD is a false Gospel.

MAKE SURE YOU ARE PLEASING TO HIM you will have no one to blame but SELF.
Why dont you BOAST some more for us Rob!

Tell us how righteous you are!

Tell us how you pleased God with your works.

WHO ARE YOU to tell me or anyone else here about HOW HOLY we need to be?

YOU....ARE....A....SINNER!!!...just like the rest of us! You SIN every single day Rob so DONT PREACH WORKS to us you are simply acting like a PIOUS HYPOCRITE.

Why dont you preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God? Why don tyou preach Christ and Him crucified for forgiveness of sins?

YOU....PREACH....WORKS based salvation. Every time a new Christian looks at your stuff they run a mile. How does that feel? Being responsible for shutting up the Kingdom for people?

We DONT NEED YOU telling us how Holy we need to be. Why dont you get that? Holiness is the job of CHRIST and His sanctification works in all those that BELIEVE. Why do you doubt the Holy Spirits ability to do this?

We will ALWAYS be sinners in this fallen world. Believers walk unto good works. It...just...happens.

We dont need depressed pious MEDDLERS scaring off people with their holier than thou rthetoric.

Your posts make me feel ill. And your avatar fits perfectly. Oh poor Rob! Head in hands...DENYING himself daily...fighting himself...dieing over and over again...oh how pious...how holy he is. Crucifying his flesh....and all the time living at home with no job, not earning an income and spending all day starving himself and talking GIBBERISH and calling it PRAYING! Why dont you take a look in the MIRROR mate. You talk to us about becoming more holy and you are practicing the DOCTRINE OF DEVILS yourself.

Rob...go out and enjoy your life. Christ is joy and peace to the believer. You dont display this. You display sadness and worry. Your posts are some of the most depressing I've seen on any forum.

Ugh....just makes me sick.
 

zone

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Re: Spiritual Warfare - Doctrine of Demons

Zone that has to be the wisest piece of insight I have seen here yet YOU AMAZE ME!

Just sayin's all!!!
I love you
nothing to be amazed at.
i just work at knowing what the church is facing.
i'm glad you're reading it.


Contemporary Christian Divination
The False Claims and Practices of Christian Mystics
by Bob DeWaay
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue83.htm

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Word-Faith Movement
Also known as "Name-in-Claim-it," "Health and Wealth Gospel," "Positive Confession," "Word of Faith," etc.

Word-Faith teachers owe their ancestry to groups like Christian Science, Swedenborgianism, Theosophy, Science of Mind, and New Thought--not to classical Pentecostalism. It reveals that at their very core, Word-Faith teachings are corrupt. Their undeniable derivation is cultish, not Christian.

The sad truth is that the gospel proclaimed by the Word-Faith movement is not the gospel of the New Testament. Word-Faith doctrine is a mongrel system, a blend of mysticism, dualism, and gnosticism that borrows generously from the teachings of the metaphysical cults.

The Word-Faith movement may be the most dangerous false system that has grown out of the charismatic movement so far, because so many charismatics are unsure of the finality of Scripture
John MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 290

There are many perculiar ideas and practices in the Faith theology, but what merits it the label of heresy are the following:

1) its deistic view of God, who must dance to men's attempts to manipulate the spiritual laws of the universe;
2) its demonic view of Christ, who was filled with "the Satanic nature" and must be "born again in hell;
3) its gnostic view of revelation, which demands denial of the physical senses and classifies Christians by their willingness to do so; and
4) its metaphysical view of salvation, which deifies man and spiritualizes the atonement, locating it in hell rather than on the cross, thereby subverting the crucial biblical belief that it is Christ's physical death and shed blood, which alone atone for sin. All four of these heresies may be accounted for by Kenyon's syncretism of methaphysical thought with traditional biblical doctrine"
D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html
 
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Abiding

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Yah, but not everything is the fault of satan and demons. I think its funny that people blame the enemy for their own mistakes. Every time we speak his name and blame him for things; he's just smiling happy that he's noticed. It's kind of like a child that wants attention whether good or bad they want attention and if they get it they're happy.
absolutely right :) :)
 
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DOC! YOUR righteousness in the FLESH, doesnt factor in anymore IF YOU ARE INSIDE JESUS. IF, if, if, if.


1 John 3:5
"And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin"

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one also that doeth righteousness is begotten of him.

You BETTER BE RIGHTEOUS. its not matter of you are now allowed to be. Jesus made it possible that you WILL BE. But if you are NOT, if you are NOT obedeint, if you are NOT holy. if you are NOT righteous. if you are NOT puttign to death the deeds of the flesh.

if Someone are NOT pleasing to GOD. then that means that person is NOT IN JESUS and they better repent and get there. MAKE SURE GOD is pelased. make sure you are producing FRUIT. Make sure that GOD is happy with you.
Why do I need you tell me to be righteous.

This is just PIOUS DRIVEL.

Make sure you do this...make sure you do that...

Why dont you just be done with it rob and KEEP THE WRITTEN LAW!!
 
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DOC! YOUR righteousness in the FLESH, doesnt factor in anymore IF YOU ARE INSIDE JESUS. IF, if, if, if.


1 John 3:5
"And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin"

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one also that doeth righteousness is begotten of him.

You BETTER BE RIGHTEOUS. its not matter of you are now allowed to be. Jesus made it possible that you WILL BE. But if you are NOT, if you are NOT obedeint, if you are NOT holy. if you are NOT righteous. if you are NOT puttign to death the deeds of the flesh.

if Someone are NOT pleasing to GOD. then that means that person is NOT IN JESUS and they better repent and get there. MAKE SURE GOD is pelased. make sure you are producing FRUIT. Make sure that GOD is happy with you.


We CANT produce fruit...we can only stay on the vine. He produces the fruit. We are just a piece of wood
 
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Tobby17

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Demons... DEMONS... demons...

Help!!!!. I I I seee soo mannyyyy DEMONS in this thread... :eek: