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Re: Spiritual Warfare - Doctrine of Demons
Well for me it is not word-faith perse yet the spirit of the word thats important. I believe if you are in conformity with the spirit of the word then you are conforming to the spirit.
To be honest I do not attend any church yet I do study the bible and it is only through this study and interchanging views with those like yourself and others like you that the spirit of the word is revealed to me. This is the reason I align myself with those who are similar to you in their beliefs.
You know what I mean "the tree is recognized by it's fruit" I'm just an old farm boy, nobody special, my Formal education stopped in grade 12 and I've led a very colourful life and do not regret any of it save the sin. My experiences and the roads I have travelled have led me many places and taught me many things. Fortunately my heart turned towards the Lord or perhaps he turned my heart either way for that I will be forever grateful, as well as meeting people such as yourself who are as lights along the road.
Guess I'm just saying Thanks
You have been most informative and inspirational
I LOVE YOU ALL
nothing to be amazed at.
i just work at knowing what the church is facing.
i'm glad you're reading it.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html
i just work at knowing what the church is facing.
i'm glad you're reading it.
Contemporary Christian Divination
The False Claims and Practices of Christian Mystics
by Bob DeWaay
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue83.htm
The False Claims and Practices of Christian Mystics
by Bob DeWaay
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue83.htm
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Word-Faith Movement
Also known as "Name-in-Claim-it," "Health and Wealth Gospel," "Positive Confession," "Word of Faith," etc.
Also known as "Name-in-Claim-it," "Health and Wealth Gospel," "Positive Confession," "Word of Faith," etc.
Word-Faith teachers owe their ancestry to groups like Christian Science, Swedenborgianism, Theosophy, Science of Mind, and New Thought--not to classical Pentecostalism. It reveals that at their very core, Word-Faith teachings are corrupt. Their undeniable derivation is cultish, not Christian.
The sad truth is that the gospel proclaimed by the Word-Faith movement is not the gospel of the New Testament. Word-Faith doctrine is a mongrel system, a blend of mysticism, dualism, and gnosticism that borrows generously from the teachings of the metaphysical cults.
The Word-Faith movement may be the most dangerous false system that has grown out of the charismatic movement so far, because so many charismatics are unsure of the finality of Scripture
John MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 290
John MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 290
There are many perculiar ideas and practices in the Faith theology, but what merits it the label of heresy are the following:
1) its deistic view of God, who must dance to men's attempts to manipulate the spiritual laws of the universe;
2) its demonic view of Christ, who was filled with "the Satanic nature" and must be "born again in hell;
3) its gnostic view of revelation, which demands denial of the physical senses and classifies Christians by their willingness to do so; and
4) its metaphysical view of salvation, which deifies man and spiritualizes the atonement, locating it in hell rather than on the cross, thereby subverting the crucial biblical belief that it is Christ's physical death and shed blood, which alone atone for sin. All four of these heresies may be accounted for by Kenyon's syncretism of methaphysical thought with traditional biblical doctrine"
D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel
2) its demonic view of Christ, who was filled with "the Satanic nature" and must be "born again in hell;
3) its gnostic view of revelation, which demands denial of the physical senses and classifies Christians by their willingness to do so; and
4) its metaphysical view of salvation, which deifies man and spiritualizes the atonement, locating it in hell rather than on the cross, thereby subverting the crucial biblical belief that it is Christ's physical death and shed blood, which alone atone for sin. All four of these heresies may be accounted for by Kenyon's syncretism of methaphysical thought with traditional biblical doctrine"
D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html
To be honest I do not attend any church yet I do study the bible and it is only through this study and interchanging views with those like yourself and others like you that the spirit of the word is revealed to me. This is the reason I align myself with those who are similar to you in their beliefs.
You know what I mean "the tree is recognized by it's fruit" I'm just an old farm boy, nobody special, my Formal education stopped in grade 12 and I've led a very colourful life and do not regret any of it save the sin. My experiences and the roads I have travelled have led me many places and taught me many things. Fortunately my heart turned towards the Lord or perhaps he turned my heart either way for that I will be forever grateful, as well as meeting people such as yourself who are as lights along the road.
Guess I'm just saying Thanks
You have been most informative and inspirational
I LOVE YOU ALL
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
John 17:24
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
John 17:24
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
Re: Spiritual Warfare - Doctrine of Demons
thanks for your testimony:
i like this part, cuz i know what you mean:
I've led a very colourful life and do not regret any of it save the sin
love you too.
when you feel ready try a simple church where only the word of God is taught from the pulpit.
a good pastor-teacher will not try to feed you with anything else.
love zone.
Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone
Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration
thanks for your testimony:
i like this part, cuz i know what you mean:
I've led a very colourful life and do not regret any of it save the sin
love you too.
when you feel ready try a simple church where only the word of God is taught from the pulpit.
a good pastor-teacher will not try to feed you with anything else.
love zone.
Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone
Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration
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wow.... I was going to comment on these false doctrines with some Bible verses, just because I like Bible verses so anyways.......
It is all too common today for a spiritual warfare teacher to get up and bombard his listeners with story after story, experience after experience, from which he draws conclusions that form his views on spiritual warfare. More often that not, this kind of "skyscraper preaching" (sermons with one story stacked upon another) results in an approach to spiritual warfare that is built upon practices and techniques which do not measure up to God's Word.
For example: often one begins to teach that Christians can be demon-possessed or something similar;
Christians can NOT become demon possessed.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
If you are a born again Christian then your problems are not from demons but YOUR OWN FLESH. there may be mental strongholds that demons built before they left in your minds, but with study and diligence you can harness every thought into the obedience of Christ and tear down those thoughts and behaviors that war against the knowledge of God. Strongholds are not demons, they are the left over dung you have to chunk out of your life with the aid of the Holy Spirit. It is like a knife wound. the demon is the knife. God takes away the knife but time and care is still needed for the person to heal from the wound.
Christians can inherit curses from parents;
well this goes directly against these Bible verses, eeh?
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Christians need deliverance from certain kinds of sins in addition to the forgiveness received at salvation; yeah those are strongholds NOT demons and the solution and power was given when the person was first saved
Christians need to speak or do things to protect themselves and their loved ones from the demonic;
no just pray and trust God to take care of it. if you follow Jesus and Seek first the Kingdom of God. God will take care of the rest. We are to walk in the good works God tells us to not chase after demons to show how much power we think we have.
Matthew 17
14 And when they had come to the multitude, a man came to Him, kneeling down to Him and saying, 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic[c] and suffers severely; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. 16 So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure him.”
17 Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me.” 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?”
20 So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief;[d] for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. 21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”[e
Christians can boss Satan around by rebuking, binding, taking authority over him, or running him out of town, usually by sundown, all in the name of Jesus;
mmm perhaps they should read Acts again and remember that time when only Jesus could cast out the demon and not His disciples?
demons occupy territories because of specific sins of those people which supposedly have given a basis for the demonic stronghold, instead of by permission of the sovereign will of God. yeah they would love for you to believe that lie but they got tossed out of Heaven the day Jesus was nailed to the cross, so they are living in past glory of the power they used to have.
These kinds of beliefs are mere superstition, the product of false mystical experiences which do not match up with the teaching of Holy Writ.
well I'm sure they really experienced this stuff, demons are great at playing good cop bad cop and having people sink in the waves by looking away from JESUS and walking towards their own sparks instead of in God's light.
Acts 19
13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We[a] exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them,[c] so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18 And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. 19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20 So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed.
Anyways those are my thoughts on the topic.
It is all too common today for a spiritual warfare teacher to get up and bombard his listeners with story after story, experience after experience, from which he draws conclusions that form his views on spiritual warfare. More often that not, this kind of "skyscraper preaching" (sermons with one story stacked upon another) results in an approach to spiritual warfare that is built upon practices and techniques which do not measure up to God's Word.
For example: often one begins to teach that Christians can be demon-possessed or something similar;
Christians can NOT become demon possessed.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
If you are a born again Christian then your problems are not from demons but YOUR OWN FLESH. there may be mental strongholds that demons built before they left in your minds, but with study and diligence you can harness every thought into the obedience of Christ and tear down those thoughts and behaviors that war against the knowledge of God. Strongholds are not demons, they are the left over dung you have to chunk out of your life with the aid of the Holy Spirit. It is like a knife wound. the demon is the knife. God takes away the knife but time and care is still needed for the person to heal from the wound.
Christians can inherit curses from parents;
well this goes directly against these Bible verses, eeh?
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Christians need deliverance from certain kinds of sins in addition to the forgiveness received at salvation; yeah those are strongholds NOT demons and the solution and power was given when the person was first saved
Christians need to speak or do things to protect themselves and their loved ones from the demonic;
no just pray and trust God to take care of it. if you follow Jesus and Seek first the Kingdom of God. God will take care of the rest. We are to walk in the good works God tells us to not chase after demons to show how much power we think we have.
Matthew 17
14 And when they had come to the multitude, a man came to Him, kneeling down to Him and saying, 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic[c] and suffers severely; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. 16 So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure him.”
17 Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me.” 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?”
20 So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief;[d] for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. 21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”[e
Christians can boss Satan around by rebuking, binding, taking authority over him, or running him out of town, usually by sundown, all in the name of Jesus;
mmm perhaps they should read Acts again and remember that time when only Jesus could cast out the demon and not His disciples?
demons occupy territories because of specific sins of those people which supposedly have given a basis for the demonic stronghold, instead of by permission of the sovereign will of God. yeah they would love for you to believe that lie but they got tossed out of Heaven the day Jesus was nailed to the cross, so they are living in past glory of the power they used to have.
These kinds of beliefs are mere superstition, the product of false mystical experiences which do not match up with the teaching of Holy Writ.
well I'm sure they really experienced this stuff, demons are great at playing good cop bad cop and having people sink in the waves by looking away from JESUS and walking towards their own sparks instead of in God's light.
Acts 19
13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We[a] exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them,[c] so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18 And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. 19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20 So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed.
Anyways those are my thoughts on the topic.
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Originally Posted by loveschild
My Gods words says to war SatanNo it doesnt in Jesus name. I find it funny some time ago zone came in here with her anti God messageyou mean antilovechilds false teaching talking hateful to meyou mean she corrected you, than rebuked you. I talked not so nice back to her as she talked wrong to medo you mean render evil for evil. She didn't like it one bit. She is more used to the nice nice Christians kissing her buttno its not her butt i wanna kiss. Although she was the one who started the ugly talkyou mean rebuking you for false teaching she was mad. She said I'm telling on you and I'm getting you kicked off of here. I keep thinking that is just like you did too. Started telling me how ignorant I wasnever told you how ignorant you were im sure you already know, i told you your practices were pagan and unbiblical, and disobedient and how you were getting me kicked off of here. Neither one of you believe in the word of God.Do you mean the book with leather binding or the paperback ones you buy at the christian socalled bookstore?
God is dead to you. God is not dead to me and lots of others. You can not be saved and say God is dead.I wont bother listing all the scriptures you have went against to say this.
My Gods words says to war SatanNo it doesnt in Jesus name. I find it funny some time ago zone came in here with her anti God messageyou mean antilovechilds false teaching talking hateful to meyou mean she corrected you, than rebuked you. I talked not so nice back to her as she talked wrong to medo you mean render evil for evil. She didn't like it one bit. She is more used to the nice nice Christians kissing her buttno its not her butt i wanna kiss. Although she was the one who started the ugly talkyou mean rebuking you for false teaching she was mad. She said I'm telling on you and I'm getting you kicked off of here. I keep thinking that is just like you did too. Started telling me how ignorant I wasnever told you how ignorant you were im sure you already know, i told you your practices were pagan and unbiblical, and disobedient and how you were getting me kicked off of here. Neither one of you believe in the word of God.Do you mean the book with leather binding or the paperback ones you buy at the christian socalled bookstore?
God is dead to you. God is not dead to me and lots of others. You can not be saved and say God is dead.I wont bother listing all the scriptures you have went against to say this.
Cessationism is that claim, even as you go about prophesying on the evils of masons and
illuminati and Talmudism and Zionism and the inherent and imminent destruction due to
them (that is a propheCY by propheSY-ing). Sure it is not new, and is all in the scripture,
has been since Abraham, some of it since Adam. Still, THE ROCK CRIES OUT!
You have seen in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion thread, how simple (not
easy) it is to expose the fallacies to even the highest level masons, their own books
declare the errors. We can get past the preachers and professors and masons, the
Temples/Cathedrals/Basilicas/Churches, the Ivory Tower University and the Masonic
Lodges. Many have been called out due to such prophecy and prophesying.
I will defer any other discussion on Cessationism to one of the several threads already
allocated to that topic. There I will give a mini-dissertation on Warfield and his errors, and
will even, sadly, go into MacArthur and his errors and the reasons for both their false
positions (SCOTTISH RITE). I also owe you a response in re: Noah in another thread.
This is NOT a personal attack on you (or anyone else). I appreciate your efforts and
support the concepts and issues you bring out and bring up in these forums.
No, it is Warfield and MacArthur who want signs and wonders, and yet, they are all around
us as many come out of false religions, many grow in their faith, many repent of things
they never concerned themselves with before, many come out of cults, many are healed,
many begin teaching after a time of their former state and current spiritual nature -- not
unlike the Pharisee Saul, who became the Apostle Paul. A wicked and adulterous
generation asks for a sign, but they are given none, but the Sign of Jonah -- Ninevah
surrounds us.
Press on -- pressures abound for many of us, some have seen demons, some are under
attack by demonic forces - we understand this. Come let us reason together sayeth the
Lord ... I have school teachers, police and preachers abusing children in this country, and
still there is no freemasonry, no psycho-linguistic, no operant conditioning, no abuse that
quenches the spirit that exposes evil and calls to the light -- tho many be victims, we still
look to crush the head of the serpent-demon and put the axe to the root of these evil
systems - all over the planet. -- Press on ...
your ill-informed blustering concerning the reality of the Apostolic Era gives you a license to cry Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and zone-is-a-demon?
oh tell me all about it in your future unintelligible threads O great Heirophant.
spare me.
everything you think you know i've already chewed and spit out.
been there done all that.
you think you have an axe to the root?
you may have an axe but you're chopping down the wrong tree.
what'd you say the name of your cult was again? The Way International?
The mere fact that you post scripture, reveal demons in the cults, warn against
Talmudism and etc. is prophesying. Warning of impending danger or destruction or
serious civil and religious upheaval and change is a Prophecy. You use ChristianChat.com
as a Prophetic Office and thus have denied all you have posted about cessationism - for
the word is vigorously spoken -- even the demons see and shudder!
I have no religion, I have no cult -- only Jesus, The Way, The Truth and The Life. By thus
we destroy the Doctrines of Demons.
Talmudism and etc. is prophesying. Warning of impending danger or destruction or
serious civil and religious upheaval and change is a Prophecy. You use ChristianChat.com
as a Prophetic Office and thus have denied all you have posted about cessationism - for
the word is vigorously spoken -- even the demons see and shudder!
I have no religion, I have no cult -- only Jesus, The Way, The Truth and The Life. By thus
we destroy the Doctrines of Demons.