Does Acts 2:38 mean we have to be baptized to get into Heaven? -Debate

[eternally-gratefull]

The Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38 is in the singular "πνευματος", looks like you need some schooling...

the Ye shall recieve is plural.

looks like you need some schooling, the gift of the Holy Spirit is just one thing, of course it would be singular.

again, you need to go back to school, to think you could not figure this out. or else your so blinded by your doctrine, easy simple things are to complex for yu to understand.

 

[dcontroversal]

Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
( Have to follow for salvation, for this is part of believing in Him. )

John 14:15
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
( Him saying if you obey the greatest command, you will obey the rest of His commands. )

Luke 6:46-49
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
( Here Jesus says you have to be a hearer and a doer, if you are hearer only, and not a doer your fall and ruin will be great. )


Luke 12:45-48
45 But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. 46 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

( Here you have the Lord talking about a disobedient servant, if He was come today and catches you not doing what He has told you to do then you will be thrown out with the unbelievers in the lake of fire for disobedience. )

Again I see you make a quote, attribute it to Jesus and then cannot produce the quote.........!

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell

How many times do I have to show you what Jesus said what believing in Him means ????

Lord Jesus said you have to be a hearer and a doer of His word, not a hearer only. He says if you do not do, you do not believe in Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(almost) good analogy. the Pharisees didn't understand or accept Jesus BECAUSE they didn't get immersed. they didnot get wet.

LUke 7:29 [c] having been baptized with the baptism of John, 30 but the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.)

lol..

They did not get wet, because they did not repent.

As John told them, Show proof you repented, then I will baptise you. Baptism is not something to take lightly. as you all are doing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul said it is still done in water, he said when you are immersed in water you are buried into Christ and then you emerge with a new spiritual mindset by now being alive in Christ.

that is two baptisms. not one
baptized into water, and baptized into Christ are two different baptisms. it is one or the other according to eph 4, there is one baptism, not two.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Again I see you make a quote, attribute it to Jesus and then cannot produce the quote.........!

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell

How many times do I have to show you what Jesus said what believing in Him means ????

Lord Jesus said you have to be a hearer and a doer of His word, not a hearer only. He says if you do not do, you do not believe in Him.

And once again you like a few others just because the wording is not exactly the same, you try to say we failed.
The problem is that Luke 6:46-49 and Luke 12:45-48 proves my stance that as a believer in Him you have to be a hearer and a doer of His word......

Luke 6:46-49 says that a hearer only will fall and their ruin will be great, this means no salvation.

Luke 12:45-48 says that if you are not a doer of His word/will then you will be punished/beaten and assigned a place in the lake of fire with the unbelievers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

brother I respect your point of view, but jesus himself said in mark 16:16 "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

so where does it say that he who believes but is not baptized?

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

now, read it again as it is written. that looks serious, not light. they rejected God's purpose for their lives, because they had not received the immersion for repentance for their sin. that's very serious Jesus says. life and death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How many times do I have to show you what Jesus said what believing in Him means ????

Lord Jesus said you have to be a hearer and a doer of His word, not a hearer only. He says if you do not do, you do not believe in Him.

Who is a hearer and doer but those born of God.

Again I ask you, can a person be a believer if they reject everything God says?

this does not prove you point.

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

believing in the NT, in the people of God seeking Him, always included immersion, except for instance the demons who believed and called Jesus the Son of God, but shuddered in terror.....

believing faith wasn't defined with words , it was their whole lives. english and greek just don't hack it here. sorry.

so where does it say that he who believes but is not baptized?

 

[dcontroversal]

And as Moses lifted u the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

No baptism and or works listed by JESUS here.....HE said clearly, BELIEVETH=NOT perishing and is HAVING eternal LIFE

 

[eternally-gratefull]

now, read it again as it is written. that looks serious, not light. they rejected God's purpose for their lives, because they had not received the immersion for repentance for their sin. that's very serious Jesus says. life and death.

dude, go back to your corner, your making yourself look bad.

Daniel understood the truth, yet he was not immersed.

be immersed in Christ, your water immersion will do nothing for you unless you have been immersed into Christ.

 

[dcontroversal]

And once again you like a few others just because the wording is not exactly the same, you try to say we failed.
The problem is that Luke 6:46-49 and Luke 12:45-48 proves my stance that as a believer in Him you have to be a hearer and a doer of His word......

Luke 6:46-49 says that a hearer only will fall and their ruin will be great, this means no salvation.

Luke 12:45-48 says that if you are not a doer of His word/will then you will be punished/beaten and assigned a place in the lake of fire with the unbelievers.

Don't blame me for your misquotes and misapplied truth as that is on your head......POST 610 go read it and add to it if you like as you seem to be good at that!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

believing in the NT, in the people of God seeking Him, always included immersion, except for instance the demons who believed and called Jesus the Son of God, but shuddered in terror.....

believing faith wasn't defined with words , it was their whole lives. english and greek just don't hack it here. sorry.

so you can't prove one can believe, and not be baptized, and suffer condemnation.

Thank you..

a little help my friend,, if your going to make a claim, be able to back up your claim, by showing where it is. Show us 1 place in the NT where one believed yet were not baptized (for salvation) and is condemned.

I believe and was saved, I also was baptized. But not to save myself. so prove to me I am in a condemned state

 

[dcontroversal]

dude, go back to your corner, your making yourself look bad.

Daniel understood the truth, yet he was not immersed.

be immersed in Christ, your water immersion will do nothing for you unless you have been immersed into Christ.

Not to mention that SAUL was called a BROTHER and HAD the ANNOINTING of the HOLY SPIRIT before he was IMMERSED as found in ACTS.....Paul was SAVED and anointed before immersion!

 

[kennethcadwell]

that is two baptisms. not one
baptized into water, and baptized into Christ are two different baptisms. it is one or the other according to eph 4, there is one baptism, not two.

No, it is still one baptism because there is only one that can be done by man, and that is the immersion in water.
Lord Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit, not man.....

Peter compares the baptizing that we do in immersion in water that he says still saves, for he says it is part of a believers salvation. But he compares it to the flood in Noah's day, and says they were saved by water to.

1 Peter 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

 

[dcontroversal]

so you can't prove one can believe, and not be baptized, and suffer condemnation.

Thank you..

a little help my friend,, if your going to make a claim, be able to back up your claim, by showing where it is. Show us 1 place in the NT where one believed yet were not baptized (for salvation) and is condemned.

I believe and was saved, I also was baptized. But not to save myself. so prove to me I am in a condemned state

They cannot and will be bumming when they find out that adding to faith for salvation equates a false gospel and that being a gospel with no power to save!

 

[kote]

so where does it say that he who believes but is not baptized?

what you mean? I dont get it ... sorry

 

[kennethcadwell]

And as Moses lifted u the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

No baptism and or works listed by JESUS here.....HE said clearly, BELIEVETH=NOT perishing and is HAVING eternal LIFE

Don't blame me for your misquotes and misapplied truth as that is on your head......POST 610 go read it and add to it if you like as you seem to be good at that!

Wrong again, for they were baptized in the OT as the bible makes it clear they had to do cleansing in water before they could go into the tabernacle, and the people were sprinkled and baptized into Moses.

1 Corinthians 10:1-2
For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud ( Spirit ) and in the sea ( Water ).



Hebrews 9:18-20
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Exodus 29:4
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

Exodus 19:10-11
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.






1 Peter 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Water has always been a part of the sanctification/cleansing process for salvation, and nowhere in the new testament does it say water has been omitted, canceled out, done away with, not needed.....

 

[kennethcadwell]

They cannot and will be bumming when they find out that adding to faith for salvation equates a false gospel and that being a gospel with no power to save!

So is subtracting from the faith, that is a false gospel to.
So to tell others that they don't have to do what the Lord said to do, is subtracting from the faith....

 

[dcontroversal]

Wrong again, for they were baptized in the OT as the bible makes it clear they had to do cleansing in water before they could go into the tabernacle, and the people were sprinkled and baptized into Moses.

1 Corinthians 10:1-2
For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud ( Spirit ) and in the sea ( Water ).



Hebrews 9:18-20
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Exodus 29:4
And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

Exodus 19:10-11
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.






1 Peter 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Water has always been a part of the sanctification/cleansing process for salvation, and nowhere in the new testament does it say water has been omitted, canceled out, done away with, not needed.....

You know, you are blind....You reject the very words of Jesus and his application of the brazen serpent, you take scriptures out of context and you believe a false gospel, you still have your Catholic roots and are blinded by your own rejection of the truth.


The children of ISRAEL were collectively SAVED when they STRUCK the BLOOD to the DOORS of their HOMES....The BIBLE CLEARLY teaches....

WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD I WILL PASS OVER YOU...there was NO WATER, WORKS tied to that truth....YOU like SATAN ADD to the WORD, YOU REJECT TRUTH and DIG for SCRIPTURES out of CONTEXT to HANG your HERETICAL beliefs ON....GOOD luck KENNETH as I will not cast out the truth to have it trampled under your deceptive feet!

JESUS SAID THE FOLLOWING REJECT IT IF YOU CHOOSE AND ADD IF YOU SO DESIRE!

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

And as Moses lifted u the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

No baptism and or works listed by JESUS here.....HE said clearly, BELIEVETH=NOT perishing and is HAVING eternal LIFE