Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?
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Glad I took a peak at this. 
Folks, it is not if this term applies to this thread. That would be to miss the point here because it is not a thread that is being attacked, it is persons. It is a group of persons.
It is rather to be asked "How does the apply to any person on here?" (not that I'd expect any from that group to stand out and speak up for others they loathe).
Well, it doesn't apply to any person or persons on here yet this is the behavior that stems from those who attack the Reformed brothers and sisters on here. Everyone can see it whether they admit it or not, there has been an outright assault on these brothers and sisters who are Reformed by several people and they all support one another's efforts to do so. There is also a huge amount of lying mixed in it.
Then they talk about being loving.
And loving and accepting heretics whose teachings are proven thus.
And it's said that these only have "differing opinions" and we should accept them.
But those Reformed brothers who time after time share Biblical truth, properly exegeted texts? They aren't even considered to be saved because these are not to be accepted in the same manner. Is it not of interested they do not get granted the "they have differing opinions" excuse while also being "protected" by this camp? (not that we desire your protection, believe me, just pointing out the inconsistency and hypocrisy).
No, the Reformed are to be maligned, slandered, attacked and that is a well known fact. All the while, you know, they lament the pointing out of false teachers and heretics, and protect them, and tell us to accept others of "differing opinions" while slandering us. LOL!!!!
Folks, it is not if this term applies to this thread. That would be to miss the point here because it is not a thread that is being attacked, it is persons. It is a group of persons.
It is rather to be asked "How does the apply to any person on here?" (not that I'd expect any from that group to stand out and speak up for others they loathe).
Well, it doesn't apply to any person or persons on here yet this is the behavior that stems from those who attack the Reformed brothers and sisters on here. Everyone can see it whether they admit it or not, there has been an outright assault on these brothers and sisters who are Reformed by several people and they all support one another's efforts to do so. There is also a huge amount of lying mixed in it.
Then they talk about being loving.
And loving and accepting heretics whose teachings are proven thus.
And it's said that these only have "differing opinions" and we should accept them.
But those Reformed brothers who time after time share Biblical truth, properly exegeted texts? They aren't even considered to be saved because these are not to be accepted in the same manner. Is it not of interested they do not get granted the "they have differing opinions" excuse while also being "protected" by this camp? (not that we desire your protection, believe me, just pointing out the inconsistency and hypocrisy).
No, the Reformed are to be maligned, slandered, attacked and that is a well known fact. All the while, you know, they lament the pointing out of false teachers and heretics, and protect them, and tell us to accept others of "differing opinions" while slandering us. LOL!!!!
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Paul was saying that those in Corinth were acting like mere men and men of flesh - in other words not being spiritually minded.
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not mere men?
Notice that in verse 1 Paul says that they are "babes in Christ".
1 Corinthians 1:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."
This is no different then saying '"I am of Reformed". I am of Pentecostal", I am of " Baptist", "I am of Charismatic", "I am of Wesleyan", "I am of Free Grace"..etc
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not mere men?
Notice that in verse 1 Paul says that they are "babes in Christ".
1 Corinthians 1:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."
This is no different then saying '"I am of Reformed". I am of Pentecostal", I am of " Baptist", "I am of Charismatic", "I am of Wesleyan", "I am of Free Grace"..etc
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is the verse you posted acts 4:27 I don't know appears to be but you don't say.
IMO
there lies a problem as well, that has been happening for many years, every author wants their bible to read a little different then the next. bible publishers want to put their two cents in all over the place or word things differently, it's rampant.
New International Version
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
New Living Translation
"In fact, this has happened here in this very city! For Herod Antipas, Pontius Pilate the governor, the Gentiles, and the people of Israel were all united against Jesus, your holy servant, whom you anointed.
English Standard Version
for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
Berean Study Bible
In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
Berean Literal Bible
For in truth, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together in this city against Your holy servant Jesus whom You anointed,
New American Standard Bible
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
King James Bible
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed,
International Standard Version
For in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate actually met together with unbelievers and the people of Israel to oppose your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed,
NET Bible
"For indeed both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed,
New Heart English Bible
"For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For truly, Herodus and Pilatus, with the Gentiles and the mobs of Israel gathered in this city against The Holy One, your Son Yeshua, The One whom you anointed,”
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"In this city Herod and Pontius Pilate made plans together with non-Jewish people and the people of Israel. They made their plans against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
New American Standard 1977
“For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
Jubilee Bible 2000
For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together (in this city),
King James 2000 Bible
For of a truth against your holy child Jesus, whom you have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
American King James Version
For of a truth against your holy child Jesus, whom you have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
American Standard Version
for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
Douay-Rheims Bible
For of a truth there assembled together in this city against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel,
Darby Bible Translation
For in truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hadst anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with [the] nations, and peoples of Israel, have been gathered together in this city
English Revised Version
for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
Webster's Bible Translation
For in truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were assembled,
Weymouth New Testament
"They did indeed assemble in this city in hostility to Thy holy Servant Jesus whom Thou hadst anointed--Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and also the tribes of Israel--
World English Bible
"For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together
Young's Literal Translation
for gathered together of a truth against Thy holy child Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, were both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with nations and peoples of Israel,
God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end, all knowing, He knows what His plan is, for God planned it of coarse. He alone is the one who knows the predestined of coarse, there was only one predestined man who walked the earth that man was Jesus. Jesus knew who He was the Son of God, even at 12 years old He knew He came to do His Father's business.
the Rightous or the Elect don't boast or speak of, saying the following (I am a chosen one or predestined and your not or looking at others in such a manner is prideful IMO)
Matthew 11:17
King James Bible
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented
if a person believes they are the Elect or predestined that's ok, but don't present yourself as being one infront men. It's bolstering pride.
Jesus gave examples of this, Jesus was sinless yet made this statement below as well.
Mark 10:18
King James Bible
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
IMO
there lies a problem as well, that has been happening for many years, every author wants their bible to read a little different then the next. bible publishers want to put their two cents in all over the place or word things differently, it's rampant.
New International Version
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
New Living Translation
"In fact, this has happened here in this very city! For Herod Antipas, Pontius Pilate the governor, the Gentiles, and the people of Israel were all united against Jesus, your holy servant, whom you anointed.
English Standard Version
for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
Berean Study Bible
In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
Berean Literal Bible
For in truth, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together in this city against Your holy servant Jesus whom You anointed,
New American Standard Bible
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
King James Bible
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed,
International Standard Version
For in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate actually met together with unbelievers and the people of Israel to oppose your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed,
NET Bible
"For indeed both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed,
New Heart English Bible
"For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For truly, Herodus and Pilatus, with the Gentiles and the mobs of Israel gathered in this city against The Holy One, your Son Yeshua, The One whom you anointed,”
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"In this city Herod and Pontius Pilate made plans together with non-Jewish people and the people of Israel. They made their plans against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
New American Standard 1977
“For truly in this city there were gathered together against Thy holy servant Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,
Jubilee Bible 2000
For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together (in this city),
King James 2000 Bible
For of a truth against your holy child Jesus, whom you have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
American King James Version
For of a truth against your holy child Jesus, whom you have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
American Standard Version
for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
Douay-Rheims Bible
For of a truth there assembled together in this city against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel,
Darby Bible Translation
For in truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hadst anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with [the] nations, and peoples of Israel, have been gathered together in this city
English Revised Version
for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
Webster's Bible Translation
For in truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were assembled,
Weymouth New Testament
"They did indeed assemble in this city in hostility to Thy holy Servant Jesus whom Thou hadst anointed--Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and also the tribes of Israel--
World English Bible
"For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together
Young's Literal Translation
for gathered together of a truth against Thy holy child Jesus, whom Thou didst anoint, were both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with nations and peoples of Israel,
God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end, all knowing, He knows what His plan is, for God planned it of coarse. He alone is the one who knows the predestined of coarse, there was only one predestined man who walked the earth that man was Jesus. Jesus knew who He was the Son of God, even at 12 years old He knew He came to do His Father's business.
the Rightous or the Elect don't boast or speak of, saying the following (I am a chosen one or predestined and your not or looking at others in such a manner is prideful IMO)
Matthew 11:17
King James Bible
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented
if a person believes they are the Elect or predestined that's ok, but don't present yourself as being one infront men. It's bolstering pride.
Jesus gave examples of this, Jesus was sinless yet made this statement below as well.
Mark 10:18
King James Bible
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Not sure what are you trying to do or say. Predestination is in the Bible:
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur."
Acts 4:27-28. Just read to the end of the sentence. Verses division is wrong.
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur."
Acts 4:27-28. Just read to the end of the sentence. Verses division is wrong.
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"false gospel of health and wealth"
One day they will be as correct as you guys and drop all that healing and blessing.
They can instruct them not to do as Jesus did and prophesy sickness,poverty,and depression,and bondage over their people.
I guess Jesus was way out of line since there is barely a day went by that someone wasn't healed or some bondage broken.
Don't you just hate the entire book of acts in that there is a miracle on virtual every page.
Gospel = good news
Healing and money = bad news.
Ok lets review. Sickness,poverty, bondage,is Jesus nature and Good news.
New improved bibles pending editing completion.
Now that is good news!!!
One day they will be as correct as you guys and drop all that healing and blessing.
They can instruct them not to do as Jesus did and prophesy sickness,poverty,and depression,and bondage over their people.
I guess Jesus was way out of line since there is barely a day went by that someone wasn't healed or some bondage broken.
Don't you just hate the entire book of acts in that there is a miracle on virtual every page.
Gospel = good news
Healing and money = bad news.
Ok lets review. Sickness,poverty, bondage,is Jesus nature and Good news.
New improved bibles pending editing completion.
Now that is good news!!!
You're missing 4:28, which was nearly the entire point of trofimus post. Somehow after your quoting many texts that portion was left out. All the texts in the other versions say the same thing as trofimus verse of choice so your post missed this point entirely.
Not quite true, every person elected was also predestined as well. That truth is all over the Scriptures. Your point that this was only for Jesus is incorrect. Just as you skipped around Acts 4:48 you are also skipping around the truth of His elect being also predestined.
Bro, the above is false, no one here is boasting in being elect or predestined in the manner you present it. You're presenting a straw man. No one looks down on others and says "I am chosen and you are not." That too is a straw man. No one here has ever said such a thing. It would be nice to actually debate what was said instead of having this perpetually misconstrued "You said, he said, you all say" accusations that are time and again totally unsubstantiated.
I ask you to discontinue this, it is to no ones advantage and frankly it is nothing less than false accusations. There are enough of these accusations on this Christian site. Argue the actual statements without skipping around verses and fabricating statements as if the were said. It's being dishonest and surely you can see that it is if you think about it.
Now, if someone actually says what you accuse, then by all means go for it, but making it up isn't becoming of a professing believer.
Anyhow here is a good passage, and shows that our boasting is not in us, but in God who has chosen us:
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1:26-31
Yes, we boast in what God has done, and what He has done is choosing us (electing us) to salvation. We boast in that.
And here is another:
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 2 Thessalonians 2"13-15
We also boast in the above Scripture as well concerning what God has wrought.
Not quite true, every person elected was also predestined as well. That truth is all over the Scriptures. Your point that this was only for Jesus is incorrect. Just as you skipped around Acts 4:48 you are also skipping around the truth of His elect being also predestined.
Bro, the above is false, no one here is boasting in being elect or predestined in the manner you present it. You're presenting a straw man. No one looks down on others and says "I am chosen and you are not." That too is a straw man. No one here has ever said such a thing. It would be nice to actually debate what was said instead of having this perpetually misconstrued "You said, he said, you all say" accusations that are time and again totally unsubstantiated.
I ask you to discontinue this, it is to no ones advantage and frankly it is nothing less than false accusations. There are enough of these accusations on this Christian site. Argue the actual statements without skipping around verses and fabricating statements as if the were said. It's being dishonest and surely you can see that it is if you think about it.
Now, if someone actually says what you accuse, then by all means go for it, but making it up isn't becoming of a professing believer.
Anyhow here is a good passage, and shows that our boasting is not in us, but in God who has chosen us:
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1:26-31
Yes, we boast in what God has done, and what He has done is choosing us (electing us) to salvation. We boast in that.
And here is another:
But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 2 Thessalonians 2"13-15
We also boast in the above Scripture as well concerning what God has wrought.
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Glad I took a peak at this.
Folks, it is not if this term applies to this thread. That would be to miss the point here because it is not a thread that is being attacked, it is persons. It is a group of persons.
It is rather to be asked "How does the apply to any person on here?" (not that I'd expect any from that group to stand out and speak up for others they loathe).
Well, it doesn't apply to any person or persons on here yet this is the behavior that stems from those who attack the Reformed brothers and sisters on here. Everyone can see it whether they admit it or not, there has been an outright assault on these brothers and sisters who are Reformed by several people and they all support one another's efforts to do so. There is also a huge amount of lying mixed in it.
Then they talk about being loving.
And loving and accepting heretics whose teachings are proven thus.
And it's said that these only have "differing opinions" and we should accept them.
But those Reformed brothers who time after time share Biblical truth, properly exegeted texts? They aren't even considered to be saved because these are not to be accepted in the same manner. Is it not of interested they do not get granted the "they have differing opinions" excuse while also being "protected" by this camp? (not that we desire your protection, believe me, just pointing out the inconsistency and hypocrisy).
No, the Reformed are to be maligned, slandered, attacked and that is a well known fact. All the while, you know, they lament the pointing out of false teachers and heretics, and protect them, and tell us to accept others of "differing opinions" while slandering us. LOL!!!!
Folks, it is not if this term applies to this thread. That would be to miss the point here because it is not a thread that is being attacked, it is persons. It is a group of persons.
It is rather to be asked "How does the apply to any person on here?" (not that I'd expect any from that group to stand out and speak up for others they loathe).
Well, it doesn't apply to any person or persons on here yet this is the behavior that stems from those who attack the Reformed brothers and sisters on here. Everyone can see it whether they admit it or not, there has been an outright assault on these brothers and sisters who are Reformed by several people and they all support one another's efforts to do so. There is also a huge amount of lying mixed in it.
Then they talk about being loving.
And loving and accepting heretics whose teachings are proven thus.
And it's said that these only have "differing opinions" and we should accept them.
But those Reformed brothers who time after time share Biblical truth, properly exegeted texts? They aren't even considered to be saved because these are not to be accepted in the same manner. Is it not of interested they do not get granted the "they have differing opinions" excuse while also being "protected" by this camp? (not that we desire your protection, believe me, just pointing out the inconsistency and hypocrisy).
No, the Reformed are to be maligned, slandered, attacked and that is a well known fact. All the while, you know, they lament the pointing out of false teachers and heretics, and protect them, and tell us to accept others of "differing opinions" while slandering us. LOL!!!!
Folks can stand up for God's truth, reveal bad doctrine and teach people the wisdom and discernment to spot wolves without vitriol and name calling.
When someone honestly mistunderstands what is being said, they and you should take your own advice and say...
"I can see how you can take it that way, but what I really meant is _______" instead of accusing them of misrepresenting you and accusing them of slander, when it was your words that were unclear.
However I have found people give advice better than take their own advice.
Calling you Luciferian is over the line.
Implying anyone who finds your behavior and methods of accusing folks who don't agree with you as slanders, wolves, pelagianist, universalist, liars,etc is reprehensible and doesn't display Christian maturity even if your doctrine is right...your words are just loud cymbals without any love showing.
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Matthew 23
3so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear,a and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5They do all their deeds to be seen by others.
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Okay. This explains it. No point in discussing predestination if you believe God isn't omniscient.
Just wondering, are you an open theist? Or is this just a personal belief you adhere to?
The bible teaches God knew everything before he created it. He knew Satan would rebel. He knew we would be deceived and follow suit. The bible also teaches that he predestined people before he even created the world. I gave scripture to support it. The idea of God being limited in knowledge and not knowing the future isn't biblical.
argh... please may i try to explain? i truly don't mean to be meddlesome.
you see, it's Ed. we're talking about Ed, right? (if i followed that correctly)
what i've learned about my much loved brother Ed is his heart belongs to the Lord. sometimes, like all of us, he gets upset and might say something about it, again, like all of us. he's also one of the kindest men here. a man who puts into practice what he believes. ask him for his shirt and you'll get his coat, too. you don't even have to ask!
so, yeah, his theology doesn't match mine perfectly, but if push came to shove, i'd like Ed in my foxhole.
he'd take a bullet for any one of us in a heartbeat.
you see, it's Ed. we're talking about Ed, right? (if i followed that correctly)
what i've learned about my much loved brother Ed is his heart belongs to the Lord. sometimes, like all of us, he gets upset and might say something about it, again, like all of us. he's also one of the kindest men here. a man who puts into practice what he believes. ask him for his shirt and you'll get his coat, too. you don't even have to ask!
so, yeah, his theology doesn't match mine perfectly, but if push came to shove, i'd like Ed in my foxhole.
he'd take a bullet for any one of us in a heartbeat.
A
PennEd,
The holy spirit testifies if you one of God's elect, but you can spot a mature Christian by the fruit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control in their lives. They shine God's light clearly and speak life giving water.
It's not wrong to proclaim you are a child of God and one of His elect.
It is wrong to think yourself better than others and shows pride and lack of humility. We should give all glory to God because we didn't deserve His mercy of grace.
I believe God predestined His elect to do the good works he saves us to do. Each person's work is different,for we are different members of the Body of Christ with Jesus being the Head.
We all have been given spiritual gifts from God for His glory and His purpose. We just have to learn to be mature Christians grounded in Him and His Words.
The holy spirit testifies if you one of God's elect, but you can spot a mature Christian by the fruit of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control in their lives. They shine God's light clearly and speak life giving water.
It's not wrong to proclaim you are a child of God and one of His elect.
It is wrong to think yourself better than others and shows pride and lack of humility. We should give all glory to God because we didn't deserve His mercy of grace.
I believe God predestined His elect to do the good works he saves us to do. Each person's work is different,for we are different members of the Body of Christ with Jesus being the Head.
We all have been given spiritual gifts from God for His glory and His purpose. We just have to learn to be mature Christians grounded in Him and His Words.