Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[SovereignGrace]

I wanted to address the idea of blasphemy again, since someone (was it you, SovereignGrace? can't really remember, sorry! And maybe it was more than one person, but anyways...) was saying that it does not apply any more and was only applicable to those who denied Jesus to His face, but that cannot be right, or Paul would not have called himself a blasphemer, and if Paul really does not understand what blasphemy is, then we need to throw the majority of the NT out

Yes, Paul was a self-admitted blasphemer. But he was not guilty of blaspheming the Christ's Spirit. If he was, he would not have become Apostle Paul, neither penned 13 NT books.

 

[BeyondET]

Reformed=Calvinists...

I've look into that, yea what ever floats people's boat, everyone has the right to believe and choose.

Though for the people who believe in Calvinism and call themselves Calvinist, you going against exactly what John Calvin thought was a insult, go figure people follow his teachings and use the title that he himself deemed as a insult. Probably better off calling yourself a reformist than a Calvinist, because that would be going against their teachers view that the word Calvinism is a insult. John Calvin statement below.

They could attach us no greater insult than this word, Calvinism. It is not hard to guess where such a deadly hatred comes from that they hold against me.

— John Calvin, Leçons ou commentaires et expositions sur les Revelations du prophete Jeremie 1565[9]



I've have wondered, what ever happen to being just simply called (a follower of Jesus), why has the world Christians place so many fences of titles and names and bibles and denominations for so many different groups. surely this statement below has been at the for front for many years.

Luke 12:53
King James Bible
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


In today's world is nothing but endless titles and names and bibles and denominations. I doubt very seriously this was of God's plan.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Why would Paul call himself a blasphemer? He was not present with Christ.

He was zealous of God, but via the works of the Law. But righteousness can't come from keeping that Law.

 

[stonesoffire]

Why would Paul call himself a blasphemer? He was not present with Christ.

I would think that Paul thought the believers were blasphemers and when he found out he was wrong...he saw that he was guilty of his own words.

There may be different means of blasphemy if we look it up.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Why would Paul call himself a blasphemer? He was not present with Christ.

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.[Luke 12:10]

If he had blasphemed the Spirit, he'd been goners.

 

[Magenta]

He was zealous of God, but via the works of the Law. But righteousness can't come from keeping that Law.

Yes, people are zealous for their god whether it is the one true God or a false god... and being zealous of a false god is blasphemy in the way Paul understood it, is what I get from what he said. He says he was ignorant and acted in ignorance yet he also says people are without excuse. He required a Damascus road experience to change his mind, and yet most are seemingly expected to believe on much less...

 

[Depleted]

Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
Mar 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Luk 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
Luk 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Yeah! That's it! Thank you. (And I was thinking it was in Acts. Never was going to find it, was I? lol)

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yeah, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read your erroneous statement.

So, Jesus could have gone back on all His OT prophecies that He promised to fulfill? Wow, God could actually renege on His promises of Messiah and the fulfillments. That's interesting. I see you have garnered a couple folk and hoodwinked them with your error.

Tell me more about this false god who can make Messianic promises and then renege on them and still be Holy, Righteous and incapable of lying.

Psalm 22 becomes a farce if Rog is correct.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yes, people are zealous for their god whether it is the one true God or a false god... and being zealous of a false god is blasphemy in the way Paul understood it, is what I get from what he said. He says he was ignorant and acted in ignorance yet he also says people are without excuse. He required a Damascus road experience to change his mind, and yet most are seemingly expected to believe on much less...

But not all blasphemy is the same, Sissy.

 

[preacher4truth]

I be going against their teachers view<incoherent phrase> that the word Calvinism is a insult. John Calvin statement below.

They could attach us no greater insult than this word, Calvinism. It is not hard to guess where such a deadly hatred comes from that they hold against me.

— John Calvin

Um, who exactly are the "they" John Calvin is speaking of? "Calvinists?"

Your quote isn't serving your cause even though you think it is. It is doing the opposite, and it was used as slander against him just as it is against us by enemies of the Gospel and certain doctrines.

 

[Magenta]

I would think that Paul thought the believers were blasphemers and when he found out he was wrong...he saw that he was guilty of his own words.

There may be different means of blasphemy if we look it up.

I think many accept it to mean denying the work of God, which simply translates into unbelief, and it is this unbelief that will cause a person to pass into the second death following the resurrection and judgement of all... all others have their names written in the Lamb's book of life and are covered with the righteous blood of Christ through their faith in Him and His sacrifice on the cross on our behalf, where He became sin for us, paid the penalty for sin, and not just our sins, but the sins of the whole world.

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't mind if anyone responds. I thought Kayla had taken my comment personally that was directed at someone else. That's why I was making it clear the comment wasn't to her.

Ok my wifi went out just as I was posting this comment. I didnt take the comment personally and I thought you were sniping because I answered,everyone is getting paranoid here. Im sorry for misunderstanding,thinking you were upset that I responded to something not addressed to me. Oh and for misspelling your name all this time! Now lets see if my wifi holds....

 

[Desertsrose]

Shout joyfully to the Lord, all the earth.
Serve the Lord with gladness;
Come before Him with joyful singing.
Know that the Lord Himself is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
Enter His gates with thanksgiving
And His courts with praise.
Give thanks to Him, bless His name.
For the Lord is good;
His lovingkindness is everlasting
And His faithfulness to all generations.
Psalm 100:1-5

 

[kaylagrl]

He asked you a question. He didn't accuse.

​No and I wasn't accusing him of accusing. Im just saying that has been thrown about.

 

[Magenta]

But not blasphemy is the same, Sissy.

I do not understand this sentence as written. Could you explain, please?

 

[Depleted]

Děkuji, sestro

Long live perrogies and galumpkis! (My only ability to speak in other languages comes from my love of food. lol)

But, hey! I got "sister."

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Not sure what are you trying to do or say. Predestination is in the Bible:

"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur."

Acts 4:27-28. Just read to the end of the sentence. Verses division is wrong.

So true . . . those gathered against Jesus, the Messiah, was God's plan and purpose - foretold in the OT. Anything God told the prophets concerning the future would be predetermined by God and they WILL come to pass.

 

[stonesoffire]

I've look into that, yea what ever floats people's boat, everyone has the right to believe and choose.

Though for the people who believe in Calvinism and call themselves Calvinist, you going against exactly what John Calvin thought was a insult, go figure people follow his teachings and use the title that he himself deemed as a insult. Probably better off calling yourself a reformist than a Calvinist, because that would be going against their teachers view that the word Calvinism is a insult. John Calvin statement below.

They could attach us no greater insult than this word, Calvinism. It is not hard to guess where such a deadly hatred comes from that they hold against me.

— John Calvin, Leçons ou commentaires et expositions sur les Revelations du prophete Jeremie 1565[9]



I've have wondered, what ever happen to being just simply called (a follower of Jesus), why has the world Christians place so many fences of titles and names and bibles and denominations for so many different groups. surely this statement below has been at the for front for many years.

Luke 12:53
King James Bible
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


In today's world is nothing but endless titles and names and bibles and denominations. I doubt very seriously this was of God's plan.

In the beginning they were Nazarenes and of The Way.

We don't really heed Pauls words when we divide His body. And I believe it shows our heart too. We are holding doctrines of men as more important than unity of His body.

Psalms 22...my bones are out of joint. Best sermon I ever heard was on this truth. How can we walk together when His bones are out of joint?

 

[kaylagrl]

Question is not accusation.

So do we agree that few are chosen (thats what the Bible says and nothing from me)?

Do we also agree that nonbelievers will end in hell?

​Ya,I wasn't accusing you of the accusation. Yes,many are called,few are chosen,as the Bible says. And yes we agree nonbelievers go to hell.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I do not understand this sentence as written. Could you explain, please?

Ppl can speak ill of the Christ and be forgiven. That's blasphemy, too.

But speak ill of the Spirit and you're goners.

However, those who spoke ill of the Spirit had visually seen those works and called them the works of the devil. None of us saw the Christ raise the dead to life, heal the sick, restore sight to the blind, &c. That's why, imo, ppl can't blaspheme the Spirit in today's economy.