Does being left behind during the rapture mean you're eternally condemned

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Perhaps, but that doesn't hold up because Jesus Himself taught against a "rapture" concept.
You are correct
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [SUP]
30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"Heaven" (in this scripture) means all the corners of the world.

Many say this is not correct chronology, but this is what is quoted at the beginning of this same chapter.

"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" verse 3
 
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The word of God testifies against this nonsence big time. The bible is free online. You have no excuse for omitting the gathering of the bride by the groom.
IMO, the parable of the 10 virgins meeting the bridegroom happens during Christ’s second coming for all to see (not in secret 7 years before). (Matthew 24:26,27)

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[SUP]27[/SUP]For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The 10 virgins are waiting for Christ’s second coming, not a secret meeting 7 years before. (Matthew 25:1-6)
 
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no you can still recive Jesus during this time
 
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No. It is a worldwide event. Not one time zone
Dear brother

From the two verses I am just trying to say that Rapture will be the wedding and the Open coming will be the time when Christ returns from the wedding

For those people left behind in Rapture The Lord is asking them to wait expectantly for the Master to return from the wedding. By that time , after seeing people gone in Rapture, men will understand that the prepared virgins had gone to the wedding. They will have to wait for the Master to return from the wedding
 
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Matthew 25:10 says

while they went to buy oil the Bridegroom came and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding and the door was shut


Luke 12: 35 says

You yourselves be like men who wait for their Master when He will return from the wedding that when He comes and knocks they may open to Him immediately


The first event happens at Midnight (Matthew 25:6)
The second event happens at second watch or third watch (Luke 12:38)

From the above two verses it is clear that Christ comes as the Bridegroom to take the bride for wedding and then He will return from the wedding to take the rest
Please read the above two verses carefully to understand this.
 
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Please read the above two verses carefully to understand this.
This article gives apparently clear indications based on Luke 12:36, of a pretrib rapture: (but disputable)

The Rapture Solution - When Is the Wedding?

However, the article gives an objection that might contradict Luke 12:36 as being proof that the rapture comes before the tribulation.

Objection No. 2: The Marriage Is After the Tribulation.
In order to get around the idea of a rapture before Revelation 19 others may object that the marriage occurs after the tribulation. The marriage is mentioned before Christ's return, but it actually takes place after Christ's return.
I agree that the marriage is after, but this objection misses my point altogether. My argument is based, not on the wife's marriage, but on her robing and readiness. The marriage may be future, but her preparation for the marriage is past. That's the point.
IMO, that’s a bit of a stretch. Presumably it’s only the “preparation” for the marriage that takes place in the pretrib rapture. Then 7 years later Jesus’ second coming actually takes place, and the third phase of the marriage takes place (according to the article). (Rev. 19:7-9)

[SUP]7[/SUP]Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
[SUP]8[/SUP]And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
[SUP]9[/SUP]And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
This seems to clearly show that the marriage of the Lamb takes place after Jesus and the holy angels defeat the armies of the dragon and the anti-christ. Unlike what the article said, the “fine linen” was given to the bride after the victory over the antichrist. IMO, the “armies in heaven” (Rev. 19:14) following Jesus were the heavenly angels.
 
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This article gives apparently clear indications based on Luke 12:36, of a pretrib rapture: (but disputable)

The Rapture Solution - When Is the Wedding?

However, the article gives an objection that might contradict Luke 12:36 as being proof that the rapture comes before the tribulation.



IMO, that’s a bit of a stretch. Presumably it’s only the “preparation” for the marriage that takes place in the pretrib rapture. Then 7 years later Jesus’ second coming actually takes place, and the third phase of the marriage takes place (according to the article). (Rev. 19:7-9)



This seems to clearly show that the marriage of the Lamb takes place after Jesus and the holy angels defeat the armies of the dragon and the anti-christ. Unlike what the article said, the “fine linen” was given to the bride after the victory over the antichrist. IMO, the “armies in heaven” (Rev. 19:14) following Jesus were the heavenly angels.


CORRECTION: IMO, the “fine linen” was given to those in heaven before Christ and the holy angels attacked the antichrist armies on earth. This was similar to the “white robes” worn by the great multitude in Revelation 7:

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
This “great multitude” was there because they “came out of great tribulation” – not because they were raptured 7 years before. (Revelation 7:14)

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 
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Per my understanding, if you're "Left Behind" after the rapture, that means it never really happened and you're good to go.

37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. -Matthew 24:37-39

With Noah, who was taken away?
The Lord disciplines the sinner and forgives the repentant.
 

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That's just the problem marcR, people have done that very thing in the past. What if a person weak in their faith read it and it scared them so bad they killed themselves?
I would sooner think that it might cause them to dig a little deeper in the well.
 
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Lukes Gospel opens with him addressing someone called Theophilas. He tells them that many others have written accounts of Jesus's life and ministry and that he was intending to write one too. I believe that the Bible is inspired but it didn't fall complete from Heaven nor was it dictated like the Koran supposed to be. People had a big imput as to what it contains.
 
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there is no rapture. Not found is scripture. When the Lord returns we his people will be changed but that at the end of all things as we know.
* "When I see statements like yours, with no proof or Bible logic, I ask myself. “Does Scripture actually promise a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, or is it just an opinion passed along from teacher to student?” Then he challenged me to cite even one Bible verse that would lead a person to believe the Pre-Trib position if they hadn’t already heard about it from some Bible teacher. He said that in all his studies he’s not been able to find one. Let’s see if he’s right.


First, Some General Points


The Rapture is not another name for the Second Coming. As 1 Thes. 4:15-17 and John 14:1-3 explain, the Rapture is an unscheduled secret event where Jesus comes part way to Earth to meet His Church in the air and take us to be with Him where He now is. I say unscheduled and secret because its specific timing will remain unknown until it actually happens. On the other hand, The Second Coming is a scheduled public event where Jesus comes all the way to Earth with His Church to establish a Kingdom here. I say scheduled and public because the general time of His coming will be known on Earth over 3 1/2 years in advance, and public because everyone on Earth will be able to witness His arrival. Matt. 24:29-30 says it will happen shortly after the Great Tribulation has ended and all the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds in the sky.


Membership in the Church and therefore participation in the Rapture is contingent upon having personally accepted the Lord’s death as payment in full for your sins. While His death actually purchased full pardons for everyone, we each have to personally ask to have ours activated. Everyone who asks for salvation receives an unconditional, irrevocable “Yes!” (Matt. 7:7-8, John 3:16, Ephes. 1:13-14) For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. (2 Corinth. 1:20)


It’s Greek To Me


And finally, although cynics can truthfully say that the word Rapture doesn’t appear in any passage of Scripture, the statement is not correct in its intent. Rapture is a word of Latin origin, not Hebrew or Greek, the languages of the Bible. (One of the earliest translations of the Bible was into Latin, and the word rapture comes from there.) Its Greek equivalent is harpazo, which is found in the Greek text of 1 Thes. 4:17. When they’re translated into English, both words mean “to be caught up, or snatched away.” Harpazo, the word Paul actually used, comes from roots that mean, “to raise from the ground” and” take for oneself” and hints that in doing so the Lord is eagerly claiming us for Himself. So while the Latin word doesn’t appear in our Bibles, the event it describes certainly does. There’s a similar situation with the word Lucifer, also of Latin origin. It doesn’t appear in any of the original texts either, but no one would be naive enough to deny the existence of Satan on such a flimsy basis. With that introduction, let’s go first to the best known of the Rapture passages.


According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:15-17)


Most of us are very familiar with these verses. But notice they don’t tell you when the rapture happens, only that it does. Notice also that the Lord doesn’t come all the way to Earth. We meet Him in the clouds and then according to John 14:1-3 go back with Him to where He came from. If this was the 2nd coming, He would be coming here to be where we are, not coming to take us there to be where He is. Paul described the same event in 1 Cor 15:51-52. In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye the dead in Christ will rise and the living will be transformed. There he said that he was disclosing a secret, but the resurrection of the dead was not a secret. It can be found through out the Old Testament. The secret was that some would not die, but would be taken alive into the Lord’s presence following an instantaneous transformation. The rapture happens fast. In one instant we’re walking on Earth and in the very next, we’re in the Kingdom.


By the way, don’t try to use the trumpet reference in verse 52 to pin the timing of the rapture to some other event. Since both the Corinthian passage and the one from Thessalonians describe the same things, it’s safe to assume that the term last trump refers to the fact that the trumpet call of God from 1 Thes. 4:16 will signal the end of the Church Age, at which time the Church will disappear from Earth. So these two references both say that one generation of humans won’t die but will be suddenly changed from our earthly form to our heavenly one. And since both Matt. 24:31 (they’ll gather His elect from one end of the heavens to the other) and Rev. 17:14 (with Him will be His called, chosen, and faithful followers) say that we’ll be with the Lord when He returns, this has to happen sometime before the 2nd Coming. And it can’t be just the resurrected believers coming back with Him because the Rapture passages above say that we’ll be changed at the same time as the dead are raised.


So When Does This Happen?


In the New Testament, the clearest indication we get in the timing department is found in 1 Thes. 1:9-10. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.


The Greek word translated “from” in this passage is “apo.” Translated literally, it means we’re to be rescued from the time, the place, or any relation to God’s wrath. It denotes both departure and separation. This is supported by 1 Thes. 5:9 that declares, “God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”


Some folks are fond of pointing out that you can’t use God’s wrath interchangeably with the Great Tribulation. They’re not the same, they say. And they’re right, the two terms are not synonymous. The Great Tribulation is 3 1/2 years long and begins in Rev. 11-13. God’s wrath is much longer, beginning in Rev. 6, as verse 17 explains. Post-trib. and pre-wrath rapture advocates try to deny this but the Scripture is clear. The time of God’s wrath begins with the Seal Judgments. The Bowl Judgments that come later don’t begin the time of His wrath, they conclude it. (Rev. 15:1) Being rescued from the time, the place and any relation to God’s Wrath means the Church has to disappear before Rev. 6, and that’s why we believe the Rapture takes place in Rev. 4 and the Church is the group of believers in view in heaven in Rev.5.


You Be The Judge


Now let’s apply my questioner’s litmus test. Could a believer, sitting alone on the proverbial desert isle with nothing but a Bible and with no pre-conceived ideas, conclude that there’s a pre-trib Rapture just from reading about it, or could he only be led into this position by first hearing someone teach him about it? Well, From Isaiah 13:9-13 and Amos 5:18-20, he would have learned that God is going to judge the Earth for it’s sins in a terrible time called the Day of the Lord when He’ll pour out His wrath on mankind. Reading Matt. 24:21-22 would have told him that this time of judgment would be so bad that if the Lord didn’t put a stop to it no one would survive. But the Lord will put a stop to it by returning in power and glory. Since he would know that the Lord hasn’t returned yet, he would know that God’s wrath is still in the future.


When he got to 1 Thes. 1:9-10 he would see a pretty clear statement. Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath. In the “who, what, where, when, and why” methodology of the investigative reporter he would have the Who, (Jesus) the what, (rescues us) and the when (the time of the coming wrath). Reading on he would come to 1 Thes. 4:15:17 and get the where (from Earth to the clouds) and in 1 Thes. 5:9 the why (because we’re not appointed to wrath). From there he would logically conclude that since we’ll be rescued around the time of the coming wrath and since we’re not appointed to wrath, our rescue has to precede it.


He could also answer another of the investigative reporter’s questions in 1 Thes. 4:15:17 and that’s how it would happen. The Lord himself will come down from Heaven into our atmosphere and suddenly snatch us away from Earth to join Him there. In chapter 5 he would learn that he would never know the exact timing of this event but only that it would precede the coming wrath. Of course there are many more passages I could reference but I think I’ve made my point and answered the question. In fact I’ll go one step further.


I believe that since our hypothetical reader has no one to persuade him differently, he would assume that what he’s reading is to be taken literally. And if that’s the case, then the pre-trib position is the only conclusion he could logically come to, because every other position requires a moderate to massive re-interpretation of Scripture. I contend that left alone to work this out with only the Holy Spirit as his guide he would expect to be raptured before the wrath of God begins in Rev. 6. You see, God didn’t write the Bible to confuse us, but to inform us. It’s mankind that’s gotten everything all mixed up. If you give the Holy Spirit a clear minded student, uncontaminated by man’s opinions and prejudices, He would bring that person to the understanding of the rapture that’s most consistent with a literal interpretation of Scripture. And that requires a pre-trib rapture.

But Wait, There’s More


While we’re on the topic, there’s another issue that points to a pre-trib Rapture and it comes to us in the form of a clue in 1 Thes. 4:15, right at the beginning of the Rapture passage. Verse 15 opens with the phrase “According to the Lord’s own word.” There simply is no place in the New Testament where Jesus speaks of some being resurrected and some others being transformed to meet the Lord in the air. He never said anything like that, nor does he even imply such a thing. Those who believe they see it in Matt. 24:40-41 first have to ignore the fact that Jesus was explaining events on Earth on the actual day of His return, which would place the Rapture after the 2nd Coming, something no one believes. They also have to ignore the fact that in Matt. 24:40-41 both believers and non-believers are sent somewhere, believers being received unto Him, while non-believers are sent away. You have to research the Greek words translated “taken” (paralambano) and “left” (alphiemi) to realize this, but when you do you’ll see that the English is misleading. No Rapture view includes the disposition of non-believers, nor does it even mention them.


By the way, this is a great example of why the literal, historical, grammatical interpretation is so important. Our Bible was mostly written in Hebrew and Greek. Every translation relies on the movement of words from one language to another. This process doesn’t always produce a perfect fit, and so learned men have to make allowances for this and exercise their own judgment from time to time. But men are not perfect. We all have our biases. When it’s an important issue where you want an exact meaning it’s always a good idea to double-check their work. Fortunately we have an incredible tool in the Strong’s Concordance. It contains every Hebrew and Greek word in the Bible with their primary and secondary meanings, how often each word appears in the Bible and what meanings are used in each appearance. You can compare these with the meaning the translators used and see if you agree with their treatment of the passage. By doing this with Matt. 24:40-41, you’ll find that the primary meaning of paralambano is to receive and the primary meaning of alphiemi is to send away. People with a post-trib disposition read 1 Thes. 4:15, and then turned to Matt. 24:40-41 where they saw one group being “taken” and another group being “left” after the end of the Great Tribulation. Assuming that these were the Lord’s own words Paul was referring to, they stopped there. They had seen what they wanted to see.


In actuality Matt. 24:40-41 is most likely a preview of the Sheep and Goat judgment of Tribulation survivors. The word taken (received) refers to believers going live into the Kingdom, and the word left (sent away) applies to non-believers who are sent to the place prepared for the Devil and his angels. (Matt 25:31-46) Of course none of this pertains to our desert island reader above. The verses I used there are clear enough that they don’t require any research into the original language. So he wouldn’t need a Strong’s Concordance, just his Bible.


What’s Your Point?


So if Jesus never taught about the Rapture, to which of the “Lord’s own words” was Paul referring? Some dismiss the phrase, saying that Paul was speaking of a conversation he had with the Lord that doesn’t appear in Scripture. But I think we deserve a better answer than that. Remember, 1st Thessalonians was probably Paul’s first written communication, undertaken in 51AD. Depending on whose opinion you accept, Matthew’s Gospel was either just being written or was still nearly 10 years away. Those who give it an early date say it was written to the Jews in Jerusalem and may even have been written in Hebrew. In any case neither it nor any other Gospel was yet in wide distribution. (Mark’s Gospel, the other candidate for earliest one written, doesn’t contain an equivalent to Matt 24:40-41.) So if Paul was referring to Scripture, as I believe he was, it had to be the Old Testament. Yes, like everything else in God’s plan, you’ll find hints of the Rapture even in the Old Testament.


Look at this passage from Isaiah 26:19-21. But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins.


Notice how the pronouns change from second person when God speaks of His people to third person when He speaks of the people of the Earth. It means the two groups are different. Those called “my people” are told to “enter your rooms” (the rooms of John 14:1-3?) because the others, called “the people of Earth” are going to be punished for their sins in a period of time called His Wrath. Sound familiar? (Note: the Hebrew word translated “go” in the phrase “Go my people” is translated “come” in some translations, recalling the command to John in Revelation 4, “Come up here!” But the word has another primary meaning and it’s my favorite. It means vanish. “Vanish, my people!” Yes we will.)


Not by any stretch of the imagination has this passage been literally fulfilled. It’s an End Times prophecy that promises a resurrection of the dead and hiding of God’s people while God’s Wrath is unleashed on the people of Earth for their sins. And it was written 2750 years ago. The hiding of the Jews in the desert on Earth at the beginning of the Great Tribulation (Rev. 12:14) cannot be considered as a fulfillment of this passage because no resurrection accompanies it. (The resurrection of Old Testament believers takes place at the end of the Great Tribulation. (Daniel 12:2)) Of course, no one knows for sure that this is the passage Paul referred to, but as evidence of its influence on him, let’s compare it with what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4-5.


Isaiah : But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.


Paul: The dead in Christ will rise first .


Isaiah : Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.


Paul: After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


Isaiah : See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins.


Paul: While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.


The wording is a little different, but it sure looks to me like they’re describing the same event.


And Still More


There are other sound theological reasons why the Church will be raptured before the End Times judgments begin. One is that the Lord seems to keep Israel and the Church separate, never dealing with both at the same time (Acts 15: 13-18) If the primary purpose of Daniel’s 70th week is to finish fulfilling the six promises to Israel in Daniel 9:24, then the Church has to disappear.


Another is that the Church was purified at the cross at which time all the punishment due us was born by the Lord Himself. From that time forward the Church is considered by God to be as righteous as He is (2 Cor 5:17 & 21) The idea that the Church needs to undergo some discipline to become worthy to dwell with God is not scriptural and denies the Lord’s completed work on the cross.


And third, the stated purpose of the Great Tribulation is twofold, to purify Israel and completely destroy the unbelieving nations. (Jeremiah 30:1-11) The Church isn’t destined for either of these outcomes. There are also several subtle clues that on their own can’t be used to support the pre-trib position, but which underscore the validity of the clear passages I’ve just cited. Take for instance the fact that Enoch, who bears a great similarity to the Church, disappeared before the Great Flood, that the angels couldn’t destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot and his family were clear, and that Daniel was missing from the story of the fiery furnace, a model of the Great Tribulation.


When the Lord described His coming in Luke 17:26-29 He said that it would be both like the days of Noah (some will be preserved through the accompanying judgments) and the days of Lot (some will taken away before them). And what about the promise He made to the Church in Philadelphia that he would keep us out of the “hour” of trial coming on the whole world. (Rev. 3:10)


But being asked to cite verses that didn’t require any prior knowledge I picked two that are clearest to me, 1 Thes. 1:9-10 and Isaiah 26: 19-21. And so by the testimony of two witnesses, one in the Old Testament and one in the New, we see the physical separation of believers from non-believers preceding the time of Judgment. And by the testimony of two witnesses a thing shall be established. (Deut. 19:15) Of course some won’t be convinced until we show them a verse that says the rapture will precede the Great Tribulation in those exact words. Obviously, such a verse doesn’t exist. I guess we’ll just have to wait and explain it to them on the way up." by Jack Kelley
 

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there is no rapture. Not found is scripture. When the Lord returns we his people will be changed but that at the end of all things as we know.
Hello Josefnospam,

The on-going problem with that is that in between right now and up to the time when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the wrath of God must take place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Scripture already proclaims that believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that because Jesus rescued us from it (1 Thes.1:10, 5:9). Also, I am always amazed when people say that there is no catching away found in scripture, when it can be found in plain print. At some point John 14:1-3 must take place where Christ appears and gathers the church. And the way in which this will take place is described in 1 Thes.4:13-17 and 1 Cor.15:51-53.

Paul called the appearing of the Lord to gather us "the blessed hope." Regarding the event of our being caught up, he also said for us to comfort one another with this hope. Consequently, if believers in Christ were to be put through the wrath of God, it would in no way be a blessed hope nor could we comfort one another. One of the main reasons people put the church through the wrath of God is because of a lack of understanding of the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. During that time and according to the prophets of Israel and the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, God is going to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

Make no mistake, Jesus is coming to gather His church and take them back to heaven prior to the out pouring of God's wrath just as He promised.
 

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Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?
Hello Samual,

You are correct, there will be people who will be saved after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. They are that great number which no one can count wearing white robes who come out of the great tribulation introduced in Rev.7:9-17. The other group will be the woman/Israel of Rev.12:6,14 who will be cared for by God out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years. Those who survive from both of these groups will be those who will repopulate the earth during Christ's thousand year reign. And on the other side will be those who will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. These will be destroyed when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
 
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Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?
The Bible says let no person deceive you by any means,for the gathering of the saints unto Christ will not happen,until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,which He will then put them down,and rule the earth with His saints.

God will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him.

The Bible says there is only two resurrections,one of the saints before the millennial reign,and one of the dead after the millennial reign.Blessed is he that has part in the first resurrection,for the second resurrection has no hold on them.

There is no left behind saints,for once the resurrection occurs,salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.

God is love,and loves all people,and has given them a set amount of time to be able to have salvation,and dwell with God for eternity.

God will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him,and as long as salvation is available to people,God will not take His children to be with Him.

When the world takes the mark of the beast,they cannot repent of their sins,and cannot be right with God,and God will take all His children to be with Him.

The world can still repent of their sins during the first three and one half years of the 7 years period,so the saints will remain on earth as God's witnesses to the truth,for as long as the world can repent of their sins,the saints will remain on earth.

During the first three and one half years it will be the falling away first,which the religions will be unified,with a false interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,and the world will not endure the truth of the Bible,but only according to their own lusts,causing the rapid decline of Christianity,and its message of impacting the world,and will set the world up for the coming beast kingdom.

When they take the mark in the middle of the 7 years period,salvation is no longer available to the world,and God will take His children.

There is no left behind saints for they took the mark of the beast in which they cannot repent of their sins to have a relationship with God.

The only ones God will work with at that time is the Jews,which God will bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,for they are blinded in part,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which the kingdom will be restored to Israel in the millennial reign of Christ.

There is only one resurrection of the saints,and there is no left behind saints,and blessed is he that has part in the first resurrection,for the second resurrection has no hold on them,for if they miss out on the first resurrection,then they are going to the second resurrection,which the Bible says that the Gospel will be preached to all the world as a witness,then the end will come,so if they missed out on the first resurrection the Gospel has been preached in to all the world as a witness to them,so they have no excuse and are in trouble.

The Gospel will be preached in to all the world as a witness to them,and then the 7 years period will start that God is causing all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so 1.They know about the Gospel,if they do not get caught up in the first resurrection,they are hit. 2.They took the mark before the resurrection happens,they cannot repent of their sins,they are hit.

The beast kingdom will separate those that love God,from those who do not love God,and when the resurrection happens,it leaves behind the people that did not love God,and they have no way to correct their decision of taking the mark,and have no way to ever be right with God,for there to be left behind saints.
 
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Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?
Dose it matter? would you knowing this make any difference to your own salvation? If we are to be with Jesus we will be with Him, if we are not then we will know that as well, or find out very quickly.
 

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Hello Samual,

You are correct, there will be people who will be saved after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath. They are that great number which no one can count wearing white robes who come out of the great tribulation introduced in Rev.7:9-17. The other group will be the woman/Israel of Rev.12:6,14 who will be cared for by God out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years. Those who survive from both of these groups will be those who will repopulate the earth during Christ's thousand year reign. And on the other side will be those who will worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. These will be destroyed when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
lol still interpreting it all of the final few years of the age,? It was mainly to the church of John's day, (and I am not a preterist).
 

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Revelations is a very confusing book and I don't remember reading anything about this particular subject. My mother says that being left behind in the rapture doesn't mean eternal damnation, and you can still accept Jesus and go to Heaven when you die. I do remember seeing in Revelations about how even after everything goes down, there will still be men who don't believe in Christ. I suppose that also means that there will be men who do believe in Christ after this, but could these men still get to Heaven when they died?

No such idea as being left behind written in God's Word. That's a doctrine from men. It started in 1830s Great Britain with the Edward Irving church and John Nelson Darby.

Modern day Darbyite prophets like Tim LaHaye's 'Left-Behind' books and movies and teaching literature for churches is the work of the "workers of iniquity". It's all a big fat... LIE.
 

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why do people class tribulation as the wrath of GOD? Its not the same thing
 
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To mpaper345 For believers, the resurrection from the dead is perhaps the greatest promise the Bible offers. The idea of eternal life in a state of perpetual bliss goes well beyond amazing for those who read the Scriptures literally.

Most of what we know about the resurrection comes from the New Testament. But from reading about it there we can tell it isn’t exclusively a New Testament idea. As an example, the Sadducees knew about a resurrection, even though they didn’t believe in one (Matt. 22:23).


That’s because first clear mention of a resurrection appears in the Old Testament book of Job.


“I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes—I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!” (Job 19:25-27).


Job knew he was a sinner who would die. But he also knew that God would send a redeemer to pay the price for his sins, enabling him to live again, not as some undefined spiritual entity, but as a physical being, a new version of himself. And with his own eyes he would see his redeemer standing on Earth.


Isaiah also spoke of a bodily resurrection in which he would participate.


“Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; for your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will give birth to the dead” (Isaiah 26:19).


Daniel was the first to reveal that there would actually be two types of resurrections, one for believers and one for everyone else.


“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:1-2)


From our understanding of Matt. 24:21 we know the angel was telling Daniel this would happen after the great tribulation, but he did not tell him the two resurrections would be separated by 1,000 years. We learn that from Revelation 20:4-5. Daniel also disclosed that the resurrection of unbelievers would be a far different experience from the one believers will enjoy.


In John 5:28 Jesus confirmed this, saying,


“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.


These verses gave birth to the notion of a first and second resurrection, which has been misunderstood by many. There are more than two resurrection events, but there are only two types of resurrections, one type for believers (commonly called the first resurrection) and the other type for unbelievers (commonly called the second resurrection).


People who haven’t been taught this correctly sometimes have trouble understanding that the first resurrection began with Jesus and the holy people who came out of their tombs at the same time (Matt. 27:52-53), continues with the resurrection/rapture of the Church (1 Thes. 4:16-17), and concludes at the time of the 2nd Coming when Old Testament believers (Daniel 12:2) and Tribulation martyrs will be raised up (Rev. 20:4). The second resurrection, the one for unbelievers, will take place at the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20:5).


Of course, the Bible’s early references to a resurrection only tell us it was known to the Jewish people. To the Gentiles this was a brand new idea that needed further explanation. Because of that, most of the detail we have about the resurrection comes from Paul who devoted a chapter to answering questions about it. So let’s go there and review what he had to say about it.


1 Corinthians 15


Paul began by reminding his readers how important the Lord’s resurrection is to believers. In fact it’s so important that our salvation depends on believing in it.


“For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1Cor. 15:3-4).


And in Romans 10:9 he said if we confess with our mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead we will be saved. This verse made it official. Belief in the Lord’s resurrection is a requirement for salvation.


In 1 Cor. 15:17 he said if Christ is not raised then our faith is futile and we are still in our sins. That’s because when He went to the cross, Jesus took all our sins upon himself and paid for them there. His resurrection is our proof that all our sins are forgiven because if any of them remained on Him, He could not have been raised to sit at the right hand of the Father. He would still be in the grave and we would still be accountable for our unpaid sins.


Having established the necessity of believing in the Lord’s resurrection, Paul turned to ours. He said since we’re all descended from Adam we’ve all inherited a sin nature that makes us subject to death. But just as death comes to us through Adam, so also the resurrection of the dead comes to us through Christ (1 Cor. 15:20-22). Therefore His resurrection is not only proof that our sins have been forgiven, it’s also proof that we who believe will be resurrected to eternal life.


A few verses later. Paul posed a hypothetical question about the kind of body resurrected believers will have. Answering his own question, Paul likened the death and resurrection of a believer to the planting and growth of a seed. The seed we put into the ground does not bear any likeness to the plant that will grow from it. God gives it a body as He has determined and to each kind of seed he gives its own body (1 Cor. 15:35-38). An apple seed becomes an apple tree. A kernel of wheat becomes a stalk of wheat. Each specie has its own kind of body.


“So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body” (1 Cor. 15:42-44).


These verses tell us that like the seed and the plant from which it grows are different, so the earthly body and the resurrection body are different. Notice Paul didn’t say, “If there is a physical body there is also a spiritual body” because that would imply that the resurrection body is not tangible, but is an intangible spirit.


Paul was speaking about believers here. In saying there is a natural body he was referring to a body designed for Earth. Therefore, a spiritual body is a body designed for Heaven.


But in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Jesus said all the parties in the after life could see each other even though a wide chasm separated them. Lazarus, a believer, was comforted there. But the rich man, an unbeliever, felt agony, experienced thirst, and asked if Lazarus could dip a finger in water and cool his tongue. This meant both had to have a tangible body, but their natural bodies had been buried in the ground. They must have received these bodies after they died. Whether they were their resurrection bodies or whether they were “transitional” in nature remains a mystery, but the passage does show that the dead receive some kind of physical body to replace the earthly one they’ve discarded, whether they die as believers or not.


When Jesus came out of the tomb he had a physical body, but with supernatural abilities. Mary could cling to Him (John 20:17), the disciples could see Him and watch Him eat (Luke 24:36-43). Yet He had suddenly appeared to them within the walls of a locked room (John 20:19). When He ascended to heaven they watched Him go up into the clouds. Later when John saw Him at the Throne of God, He looked to John just like He did after His resurrection (Rev. 5:6). His resurrection body was tangible and physical, yet it had supernatural abilities and was suitable for heaven.


Speaking of our resurrection bodies, John said, “ Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).


No one in their natural state can inherit the kingdom of God, we all have to be transformed. Just as we’ve all born the likeness of Adam, we will all bear the likeness of Christ (1 Cor. 15:49-50). So, if you want an idea of what your resurrection body will be like, read what the Bible says about His.


For Church Age believers who have died, this transformation will take place at the resurrection of the Church. But suddenly, without any kind of introduction or explanation, Paul revealed there will also be a transformation of living believers, and it will take place at the same time as the resurrection.


“Listen,” he said, “I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep but we will all be changed – in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable and we will be changed” (1 Cor. 15:51-52).


By saying “I tell you a mystery” Paul indicated he was revealing a secret to them, something that had never been clearly taught before. In connection with the resurrection of Church Age believers who have died, living believers will be instantaneously transformed from mortal to immortal without passing through death, and together with our resurrected brothers and sisters in the Lord we will rise to meet Him in the air for our journey to His Father’s house.


This combination of resurrection and rapture will take the Church off the earth forever, ending the Age of Grace and clearing the way for the remaining seven years of the Age of Law to be concluded. These seven years will see the final fulfillment of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27), followed by the return of the Lord to Earth and the final event in the first resurrection, the resurrection of Old Testament believers (Daniel 12:1-2) and tribulation martyrs (Rev. 20:4).


1,000 years later, the unbelieving dead from all time will be raised to face their final judgment (Rev. 20:11-15).


What About Them?


Some have asked about people who die during the Millennium. This will include those who survive the end times judgments and go into the Millennium in their natural bodies, as well as their descendants who will be born during that final 1,000 years. Matt. 25:34 tells us all of the former will be believers, and its safe to assume some of the latter will be as well.


With the exception of one obscure phrase, the Bible does not mention the destiny of these people. That exception is Rev. 20:15 which says, “Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.” John said this in the context of the resurrection at the end of the Millennium.


If only unbelievers will be brought to judgment at this time, then their names will obviously not appear in the book of life. As we’ve seen, all Church age believers will be resurrected/raptured before Daniel’s 70th Week begins. Old Testament believers, whose names are written in the book of life, will be resurrected at the second coming, along with tribulation martyrs (Daniel 12:1, Rev. 20:4). That seems to cover every believer from the Creation to the Second Coming. If that’s the case and there aren’t any unbelievers in the book of life, why did John feel it was necessary to mention the book at all? Perhaps it’s a hint that believers who die during the Millennium will also be part of the second resurrection. Only time will tell.


What we know for certain is that the Bible says every one who has lived will live again, and there are only two types of resurrection, one for believers and one for unbelievers. The only variable in all this is the type of resurrection we will participate in. Jesus said we will either rise to live, or rise to be condemned, and it will all come down to what we believe about Him.


“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18). And that’s what the Bible says. JK.
 
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To mpaper345 For believers, the resurrection from the dead is perhaps the greatest promise the Bible offers. The idea of eternal life in a state of perpetual bliss goes well beyond amazing for those who read the Scriptures literally.

Most of what we know about the resurrection comes from the New Testament. But from reading about it there we can tell it isn’t exclusively a New Testament idea. As an example, the Sadducees knew about a resurrection, even though they didn’t believe in one (Matt. 22:23).


That’s because first clear mention of a resurrection appears in the Old Testament book of Job.


“I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; I myself will see him with my own eyes—I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!” (Job 19:25-27).


Job knew he was a sinner who would die. But he also knew that God would send a redeemer to pay the price for his sins, enabling him to live again, not as some undefined spiritual entity, but as a physical being, a new version of himself. And with his own eyes he would see his redeemer standing on Earth.


Isaiah also spoke of a bodily resurrection in which he would participate.


“Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; for your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will give birth to the dead” (Isaiah 26:19).


Daniel was the first to reveal that there would actually be two types of resurrections, one for believers and one for everyone else.


“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:1-2)


From our understanding of Matt. 24:21 we know the angel was telling Daniel this would happen after the great tribulation, but he did not tell him the two resurrections would be separated by 1,000 years. We learn that from Revelation 20:4-5. Daniel also disclosed that the resurrection of unbelievers would be a far different experience from the one believers will enjoy.


In John 5:28 Jesus confirmed this, saying,


“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.


These verses gave birth to the notion of a first and second resurrection, which has been misunderstood by many. There are more than two resurrection events, but there are only two types of resurrections, one type for believers (commonly called the first resurrection) and the other type for unbelievers (commonly called the second resurrection).


People who haven’t been taught this correctly sometimes have trouble understanding that the first resurrection began with Jesus and the holy people who came out of their tombs at the same time (Matt. 27:52-53), continues with the resurrection/rapture of the Church (1 Thes. 4:16-17), and concludes at the time of the 2nd Coming when Old Testament believers (Daniel 12:2) and Tribulation martyrs will be raised up (Rev. 20:4). The second resurrection, the one for unbelievers, will take place at the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20:5).


Of course, the Bible’s early references to a resurrection only tell us it was known to the Jewish people. To the Gentiles this was a brand new idea that needed further explanation. Because of that, most of the detail we have about the resurrection comes from Paul who devoted a chapter to answering questions about it. So let’s go there and review what he had to say about it.


1 Corinthians 15


Paul began by reminding his readers how important the Lord’s resurrection is to believers. In fact it’s so important that our salvation depends on believing in it.


“For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1Cor. 15:3-4).


And in Romans 10:9 he said if we confess with our mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead we will be saved. This verse made it official. Belief in the Lord’s resurrection is a requirement for salvation.


In 1 Cor. 15:17 he said if Christ is not raised then our faith is futile and we are still in our sins. That’s because when He went to the cross, Jesus took all our sins upon himself and paid for them there. His resurrection is our proof that all our sins are forgiven because if any of them remained on Him, He could not have been raised to sit at the right hand of the Father. He would still be in the grave and we would still be accountable for our unpaid sins.


Having established the necessity of believing in the Lord’s resurrection, Paul turned to ours. He said since we’re all descended from Adam we’ve all inherited a sin nature that makes us subject to death. But just as death comes to us through Adam, so also the resurrection of the dead comes to us through Christ (1 Cor. 15:20-22). Therefore His resurrection is not only proof that our sins have been forgiven, it’s also proof that we who believe will be resurrected to eternal life.


A few verses later. Paul posed a hypothetical question about the kind of body resurrected believers will have. Answering his own question, Paul likened the death and resurrection of a believer to the planting and growth of a seed. The seed we put into the ground does not bear any likeness to the plant that will grow from it. God gives it a body as He has determined and to each kind of seed he gives its own body (1 Cor. 15:35-38). An apple seed becomes an apple tree. A kernel of wheat becomes a stalk of wheat. Each specie has its own kind of body.


“So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body” (1 Cor. 15:42-44).


These verses tell us that like the seed and the plant from which it grows are different, so the earthly body and the resurrection body are different. Notice Paul didn’t say, “If there is a physical body there is also a spiritual body” because that would imply that the resurrection body is not tangible, but is an intangible spirit.


Paul was speaking about believers here. In saying there is a natural body he was referring to a body designed for Earth. Therefore, a spiritual body is a body designed for Heaven.


But in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Jesus said all the parties in the after life could see each other even though a wide chasm separated them. Lazarus, a believer, was comforted there. But the rich man, an unbeliever, felt agony, experienced thirst, and asked if Lazarus could dip a finger in water and cool his tongue. This meant both had to have a tangible body, but their natural bodies had been buried in the ground. They must have received these bodies after they died. Whether they were their resurrection bodies or whether they were “transitional” in nature remains a mystery, but the passage does show that the dead receive some kind of physical body to replace the earthly one they’ve discarded, whether they die as believers or not.


When Jesus came out of the tomb he had a physical body, but with supernatural abilities. Mary could cling to Him (John 20:17), the disciples could see Him and watch Him eat (Luke 24:36-43). Yet He had suddenly appeared to them within the walls of a locked room (John 20:19). When He ascended to heaven they watched Him go up into the clouds. Later when John saw Him at the Throne of God, He looked to John just like He did after His resurrection (Rev. 5:6). His resurrection body was tangible and physical, yet it had supernatural abilities and was suitable for heaven.


Speaking of our resurrection bodies, John said, “ Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).


No one in their natural state can inherit the kingdom of God, we all have to be transformed. Just as we’ve all born the likeness of Adam, we will all bear the likeness of Christ (1 Cor. 15:49-50). So, if you want an idea of what your resurrection body will be like, read what the Bible says about His.


For Church Age believers who have died, this transformation will take place at the resurrection of the Church. But suddenly, without any kind of introduction or explanation, Paul revealed there will also be a transformation of living believers, and it will take place at the same time as the resurrection.


“Listen,” he said, “I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep but we will all be changed – in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable and we will be changed” (1 Cor. 15:51-52).


By saying “I tell you a mystery” Paul indicated he was revealing a secret to them, something that had never been clearly taught before. In connection with the resurrection of Church Age believers who have died, living believers will be instantaneously transformed from mortal to immortal without passing through death, and together with our resurrected brothers and sisters in the Lord we will rise to meet Him in the air for our journey to His Father’s house.


This combination of resurrection and rapture will take the Church off the earth forever, ending the Age of Grace and clearing the way for the remaining seven years of the Age of Law to be concluded. These seven years will see the final fulfillment of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:24-27), followed by the return of the Lord to Earth and the final event in the first resurrection, the resurrection of Old Testament believers (Daniel 12:1-2) and tribulation martyrs (Rev. 20:4).


1,000 years later, the unbelieving dead from all time will be raised to face their final judgment (Rev. 20:11-15).


What About Them?


Some have asked about people who die during the Millennium. This will include those who survive the end times judgments and go into the Millennium in their natural bodies, as well as their descendants who will be born during that final 1,000 years. Matt. 25:34 tells us all of the former will be believers, and its safe to assume some of the latter will be as well.


With the exception of one obscure phrase, the Bible does not mention the destiny of these people. That exception is Rev. 20:15 which says, “Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.” John said this in the context of the resurrection at the end of the Millennium.


If only unbelievers will be brought to judgment at this time, then their names will obviously not appear in the book of life. As we’ve seen, all Church age believers will be resurrected/raptured before Daniel’s 70th Week begins. Old Testament believers, whose names are written in the book of life, will be resurrected at the second coming, along with tribulation martyrs (Daniel 12:1, Rev. 20:4). That seems to cover every believer from the Creation to the Second Coming. If that’s the case and there aren’t any unbelievers in the book of life, why did John feel it was necessary to mention the book at all? Perhaps it’s a hint that believers who die during the Millennium will also be part of the second resurrection. Only time will tell.


What we know for certain is that the Bible says every one who has lived will live again, and there are only two types of resurrection, one for believers and one for unbelievers. The only variable in all this is the type of resurrection we will participate in. Jesus said we will either rise to live, or rise to be condemned, and it will all come down to what we believe about Him.


“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:16-18). And that’s what the Bible says. JK.
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