Does God Command Us to Obey the Governments?

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AandW

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I know several people are concerned over the possibility of a "herd gathering" ordered by the Government over this Covid vaccination. And many are in complete defiance about getting vaccinated. But isn't it interesting what God, Peter and Paul claims about Government?

1) Matthew 22:21 Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

2) 2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

3) Romans 13: 1. All of you must obey the government rulers. Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God.
2. So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. Those who are against the government bring punishment on themselves.
 

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I know several people are concerned over the possibility of a "herd gathering" ordered by the Government over this Covid vaccination. And many are in complete defiance about getting vaccinated. But isn't it interesting what God, Peter and Paul claims about Government?

1) Matthew 22:21 Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

2) 2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

3) Romans 13: 1. All of you must obey the government rulers. Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God.
2. So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. Those who are against the government bring punishment on themselves.
This is an extremely practical topic and I'd hate to see it disappear without it being addressed.

There were some Churches who defied Governmental orders by reopening their Churches after the gov't classified 'Church' as non essential, and yet allowed night clubs and Casinos to stay open.
The Pastors' justification was mainly "We ought to obey God rather than man."

Regarding the vaccine, it is at experimental status now and cannot be made mandatory while in that status.
As Christians we still have the right to refuse the vaccine and then let the Courts decide its Constitutionality.
 

JaumeJ

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If you are referring to our Monarchy, yes. We are not to obey any allowed to be in power if they are not in the faith. Look at the records of world leaders, but truly examine them.
 

oyster67

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I know several people are concerned over the possibility of a "herd gathering" ordered by the Government
I wonder if there will be heard gathering when the '666' comes along? When there is a conflict between man's will and God's will, it is not difficult to discern the right way, even when it means decapitation. He is no fool to lose what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. I don't think we will be here in the Great Tribulation, but it is not too early to start seeking God's will on forced vaccinations. Do our bodies belong to God, or do our bodies belong to Caesar?
 

Dino246

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I know several people are concerned over the possibility of a "herd gathering" ordered by the Government over this Covid vaccination.
Huh? Regarding communicable diseases, I've heard of "herd immunity" but never "herd gathering".

And many are in complete defiance about getting vaccinated.
How can anyone be "in complete defiance" to something that is offered? If you think getting a jab is a good idea, then do it. If you don't think it's a good idea, then don't.

But isn't it interesting what God, Peter and Paul claims about Government?
Western governments don't have the authority to order their people to undertake experimental medical procedures. You think for yourself: obey the government when it is aligned with God, and stand for truth and righteousness when it isn't.

Related to this topic... this morning the radio announcer quoted a caller who had said something like, "Why should taxpayers pay for medical care for people who refuse to get the vaccine?" I immediately thought, "And why should taxpayers pay for medical care for people who smoke, do drugs, drink to excess, eat poorly or excessively, don't exercise, or are generally careless?"
 

oyster67

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I have 'herd' that herd gathering was taking place in Israel?:confused:
 

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Related to this topic... this morning the radio announcer quoted a caller who had said something like, "Why should taxpayers pay for medical care for people who refuse to get the vaccine?" I immediately thought, "And why should taxpayers pay for medical care for people who smoke, do drugs, drink to excess, eat poorly or excessively, don't exercise, or are generally careless?"
And why should taxpayers have to pay for the slaughter of babies in the womb?
 

p_rehbein

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In one instance we are told to obey the Laws of man for the glory of God. In an other instance, we are told that we should obey God and not man.

The difference to me is we SHOULD obey the Laws of Man when they DO NOT conflict with the Word of God, but when the do, we should have the courage to obey God and His Commandments.

The Apostles approached it in this way. Obeying mans Lay until it conflicted with Gods Commandments. And, they were imprisoned and suffered for having the courage to obey God! We MUST be prepared to face the same punishment(s) when we go against mans Law to be obedient to God.

IMO, the Church has failed at this for many, many years now.
 

TMS

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Obey mans laws until they are causing you disobey God.
God is to come first, we need to be peace makers but always choose God over man.
 

JaumeJ

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There will come a time for all to realize our true government is the Monarchy of Jesus-Yeshua.
When we obey Him, we will please all except any who are His enemy. That is to say of the devil.
 

AandW

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This is an extremely practical topic and I'd hate to see it disappear without it being addressed.

There were some Churches who defied Governmental orders by reopening their Churches after the gov't classified 'Church' as non essential, and yet allowed night clubs and Casinos to stay open.
The Pastors' justification was mainly "We ought to obey God rather than man."

Regarding the vaccine, it is at experimental status now and cannot be made mandatory while in that status.
As Christians we still have the right to refuse the vaccine and then let the Courts decide its Constitutionality.
Amen!

Indeed, I never understood, other than those who oppose God, why many institutions were allowed to be open during 2020 including flying on planes but yet the Church Building was specifically ordered to be closed. And I definitely agree to defying such a law because the Word of God instructs us not to forsake the gathering and we should always meet for the purpose of the Gospel of Christ and the Edifying we receive from God.


In reference to the Covid Vaccination, indeed it is not a mandate but a request. But once it becomes a mandate, I do not see getting the Vaccination as going against God's Word because there's nothing in God's Word that commands us to refuse medical advancements.
 

AandW

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If you are referring to our Monarchy, yes. We are not to obey any allowed to be in power if they are not in the faith. Look at the records of world leaders, but truly examine them.

Amen, Brother!
 

AandW

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I wonder if there will be heard gathering when the '666' comes along? When there is a conflict between man's will and God's will, it is not difficult to discern the right way, even when it means decapitation. He is no fool to lose what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. I don't think we will be here in the Great Tribulation, but it is not too early to start seeking God's will on forced vaccinations. Do our bodies belong to God, or do our bodies belong to Caesar?

I do believe the "Herd Gathering" will not originally, but eventually, become a tool that will be used when Satan is in full power. I definitely see it as a training purpose now to prepare the peoples for future things to come.
 

AandW

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Huh? Regarding communicable diseases, I've heard of "herd immunity" but never "herd gathering".
It's a phrase being tossed around in reference to Nazi Germany and the eventual Tribulation Period concerning the Mark of the Beast.


How can anyone be "in complete defiance" to something that is offered? If you think getting a jab is a good idea, then do it. If you don't think it's a good idea, then don't.
We have a number of Americans here who belong to groups that believe in Conspiracy Theories and around these parts it's a very hot item concerning rebelling against the Government.


Western governments don't have the authority to order their people to undertake experimental medical procedures. You think for yourself: obey the government when it is aligned with God, and stand for truth and righteousness when it isn't.
I agree!
I also am reiterating the mindset of several groups here who are for-seeing into the future as Government will move in a direction to have the powers to command its Citizens to be Vaccinated
.

Related to this topic... this morning the radio announcer quoted a caller who had said something like, "Why should taxpayers pay for medical care for people who refuse to get the vaccine?" I immediately thought, "And why should taxpayers pay for medical care for people who smoke, do drugs, drink to excess, eat poorly or excessively, don't exercise, or are generally careless?"
Amen!
One must remember that here in the USA, this Vaccination has been a somewhat dividing line between Political Parties. It really is an amazing picture how this Covid 19 hits the world scene to where it has evolved now with Vaccinations. People are divided by it and still believe it's a Government trick upon the Citizens.
 

AandW

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In one instance we are told to obey the Laws of man for the glory of God. In an other instance, we are told that we should obey God and not man.

The difference to me is we SHOULD obey the Laws of Man when they DO NOT conflict with the Word of God, but when the do, we should have the courage to obey God and His Commandments.

The Apostles approached it in this way. Obeying mans Lay until it conflicted with Gods Commandments. And, they were imprisoned and suffered for having the courage to obey God! We MUST be prepared to face the same punishment(s) when we go against mans Law to be obedient to God.

IMO, the Church has failed at this for many, many years now.

Absolutely 100% Correct!

We see Paul telling us God created the worldly Government for His own Purpose and for ours and we are to obey it.


Then we have Peter describing what those people are for refusing to respect the Government, but he himself also is the perfect example of obeying God over man when he was commanded to stop preaching the Gospel of Christ.

It really is simple from these examples to just obey the Governments Laws until they go against God's Word.
Look at Abortion, it resembles the very act of the children being cast into a fire in the worship of Baal for prosperity, it is a literal act of Murder, and no true Believer in God should ever participate in such an act. But getting a Vaccination is nowhere in the vicinity of disobeying God over man's recommendation.
 

AandW

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Obey mans laws until they are causing you disobey God.
God is to come first, we need to be peace makers but always choose God over man.
Amen!
 

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In reference to the Covid Vaccination, indeed it is not a mandate but a request. But once it becomes a mandate, I do not see getting the Vaccination as going against God's Word because there's nothing in God's Word that commands us to refuse medical advancements.
The sticky part here is people's consciences (Rom 14:23) in the light of ...
1. It being pushed on the public, like no other vaccine
2. The attended sicknesses and deaths associated with the vaccine.
3. Why? Those that have the vaccine should already be protected from those who can't or refuse.
4. The politicalization and corruption concerning the vaccine (Fauci, WHO etc.) has been so over the top, it carries it's own suspicions.

My wife falls into the third category as she has a brain aneurysm and so Kaiser doesn't even offer it.
 

Dino246

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It's a phrase being tossed around in reference to Nazi Germany and the eventual Tribulation Period concerning the Mark of the Beast.



We have a number of Americans here who belong to groups that believe in Conspiracy Theories and around these parts it's a very hot item concerning rebelling against the Government.



I agree!
I also am reiterating the mindset of several groups here who are for-seeing into the future as Government will move in a direction to have the powers to command its Citizens to be Vaccinated
.


Amen!
One must remember that here in the USA, this Vaccination has been a somewhat dividing line between Political Parties. It really is an amazing picture how this Covid 19 hits the world scene to where it has evolved now with Vaccinations. People are divided by it and still believe it's a Government trick upon the Citizens.
Thanks for explaining. I'm not an American, though a similar line divides Conservatives from Liberals here in Canada.

By the way, using all bold-face font comes across as yelling. ;)