Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

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Mem

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As I go over the arguments, the very real possibility occurs to me that while Christ atones for the sins of the world, only belief atones would unbelief considering what belief necessarily requires (influenced by my 40 stripes minus one contemplation). :unsure:
 
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As I go over the arguments, the very real possibility occurs to me that while Christ atones for the sins of the world, only belief atones would unbelief considering what belief necessarily requires (influenced by my 40 stripes minus one contemplation). :unsure:
your 40 stripes minus 1 contemplation was very thought provoking ...
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Mem

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your 40 stripes minus 1 contemplation was very thought provoking ...
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Thank you, so much, for that! I see there's about 2 and some fraction of hours between your reply and my posting and I had just signed in when I saw the 1-minute old notification it. And then, after a minute of taking my wonderment of that (I don't believe there are any such thing as coincidence), and as soon as I thought to reply on it, the site went down. So, I took it as a wink from the Spirit's "Amen," and the adversary throwing the characteristic fit especially because of that perfectly timed 'coincidence.' :love:
 
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Thank you, so much, for that! I see there's about 2 and some fraction of hours between your reply and my posting and I had just signed in when I saw the 1-minute old notification it. And then, after a minute of taking my wonderment of that (I don't believe there are any such thing as coincidence), and as soon as I thought to reply on it, the site went down. So, I took it as a wink from the Spirit's "Amen," and the adversary throwing the characteristic fit especially because of that perfectly timed 'coincidence.' :love:
I was taught that the reason they gave 40 stripes save 1 was because if the person who was meting out the stripes miscounted and gave more than 40, it would dishonor his brother.

Deuteronomy 25:

1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.

3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.

vs 2 – the judge determined the number "according to his fault" ... and the judgment would be meted out before the judge.

vs 3 – 40 stripes was the maximum penalty ... and if 40 was exceeded, that would dishonor the one at fault.

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Mem

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I was taught that the reason they gave 40 stripes save 1 was because if the person who was meting out the stripes miscounted and gave more than 40, it would dishonor his brother.

Deuteronomy 25:

1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.

3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.

vs 2 – the judge determined the number "according to his fault" ... and the judgment would be meted out before the judge.

vs 3 – 40 stripes was the maximum penalty ... and if 40 was exceeded, that would dishonor the one at fault.

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It seemed intuitive to me that 40 was the "full" penalty but it also seemed only to be an assumption, until now. Thank you.
 

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As I go over the arguments, the very real possibility occurs to me that while Christ atones for the sins of the world, only belief atones would unbelief considering what belief necessarily requires (influenced by my 40 stripes minus one contemplation). :unsure:
Are you saying mans belief atones for unbelief, and not Christs atoning death ? Just asking
 

Mem

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Are you saying mans belief atones for unbelief, and not Christs atoning death ? Just asking
Not exactly, but it's hard to define spiritual realities other than in shadows, or as "through a glass darkly." As in the temple system of atonement, the 'sinner' had to place his hand upon the head of the sacrificial animal that thereby 'takes upon' his sin before it is offered on the alter. If he refuses to do that then, even if the lamb is slain, his sin remains upon him.