Does the BIBLE describe a coming Nuclear War?

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The moon turning blood red and the sky going black lines up with period of TIME known as the "Day of the Lord." The Day of the Lord and the blood moon and dark skies all span from the 6th Seal to the end of this world with it being purified by fire.

The "Day of the Lord" begins with the breaking of the 6th Seal and ends after Christ's 2nd Coming (In His destruction of the nations) and purification of this Earth by Fire. The 7th Seal (Allows for the following Trumpet and Bowl Judgments to come forth, of which I had shown in my chart). You can also check out my chronology of Revelation on this here.

I. Seals 1-6. (6th Seal Begins "Day of the Lord").
II. Seal 7. (Trumpet Judgments Come out of 7th Seal).
(a). Trumpet Judgments 1-7.
(b). Vials or Bowl Judgments 1-6 (6th Vial or Bowl Judgment (Armageddon & 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ).
(1) Vial or Bowl Judgment 7 (God the Father declares "It is done." up in Heaven. Babylon in Rome is destroyed completely by Earthquake. All stones in the Temple are finally throne down in Jerusalem).​

Aftermath:

Earth is purified by fire and then out of the ashes, it is re-created so as to be a new world (out of this old one) so as to start the Millennium for Abraham (select patriarchs) and the Tribulations saints that were beheaded for Christ.

You can use what you have been taught all you want, but Revelation 8 clearly shows the 7 trumpets are contained within the 7th seal. The 7 angels are commissioned after the 7th seal is broken, so the trumpets can not be concurrent with the seals. I know they may have similar sounding verses in some of them, however we can not deny clear scripture from Revelation 8 just to try and make that theory of concurrent fit.

[h=1]Revelation 8:1-2[/h]8 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
 
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Kenneth take two seconds to read and show me where I said the U.S. is BABYLON........what does DAUGHTER OF mean?

PRODIGY of.....PRODUCT OF.......HOW hard is that to grasp....

How many nations on the planet in the end mount their defenses to the UTMOST HEAVEN (KEY WORD UTMOST)
HOW many nations on the planet can be known as the LADY OF THE KINGDOMS (LADY LIBERTY SYMBOLIZES the U.S)
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It seems as if the U.S. is found under the banner of the (DAUGHTER of Babylon) note words daughter of..
She is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS<--LADY Liberty
Known for HER nation symbols of an EAGLE/WOMAN
Mounts her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
and is destroyed in a STRIKE that comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS from THENCE and from HER UTMOST BORDER and from the NORTH....

I think the destruction of the U.S. will allow the world gathered under the BEAST to make an attempt to annihilate ISRAEL......

Zechariah 2 gives you your answer as it says that the daughter of Babylon is the kingdom to the north, so does not fit America. This is either Iran or Turkey, as Iran is part of original Media-Persian empire or Turkey who also was part of that empire plus the Roman empire. Turkey is also by polar north is directly north of Israel.....
 
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Zechariah 2 gives you your answer as it says that the daughter of Babylon is the kingdom to the north, so does not fit America. This is either Iran or Turkey, as Iran is part of original Media-Persian empire or Turkey who also was part of that empire plus the Roman empire. Turkey is also by polar north is directly north of Israel.....
So Turkey and or Iran mounts HER DEFENSES to the UTMOST heavens and is KNOWN as the LADY of the KINGDOMS...not to mention the other 78 characteristics which identify the DAUGHTER of confusion....How is one of the two you name the hammer of the whole earth militarily, how are they known as a melting pot of nations, how are they known as a land of abundant fresh water, how are they known for being a golden cup in the Lord's hand at one time, How did they know the Lord in truth and then depart, how are they considered the PRAISE of the whole earth etc. etc.

Just read chapter two and no where does it say it is the nation to the north...it does say that the DAUGHTER of ZION (prodigy of ZION) dwells with the daughter of BABYLON....what country in the world contains the MOST JEWS other than ISRAEL?

and is not the U.S. in the NORTH as NORTH AMERICA?
 
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So Turkey and or Iran mounts HER DEFENSES to the UTMOST heavens and is KNOWN as the LADY of the KINGDOMS...not to mention the other 78 characteristics which identify the DAUGHTER of confusion....How is one of the two you name the hammer of the whole earth militarily, how are they known as a melting pot of nations, how are they known as a land of abundant fresh water, how are they known for being a golden cup in the Lord's hand at one time, How did they know the Lord in truth and then depart, how are they considered the PRAISE of the whole earth etc. etc.

Just read chapter two and no where does it say it is the nation to the north...it does say that the DAUGHTER of ZION (prodigy of ZION) dwells with the daughter of BABYLON....what country in the world contains the MOST JEWS other than ISRAEL?

and is not the U.S. in the NORTH as NORTH AMERICA?

All scriptures that describe the daughter of Babylon have to fit, and Zechariah 2 I showed you says it is the kingdom to the north. This does not mean North America, because we are not north of Israel.

Do you realize that after the U.S. that Turkey has the second largest military force in the U.N. after America, and the bible clearly lists them as part of the final system and is destroyed. Once again read Ezekiel 28-30 which gives clear insight to the nations that will follow the man of sin, and you will see they are all Muslim to mostly Muslim nations. America does not fit Mystery Babylon or daughter of Babylon, as they both derived within the Muslim nations.

Zechariah 2:6 shows it is the kingdom to the north...............
 
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From my studies I don't see nuclear war at all. I could be wrong as we did drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But nuclear is so destructive that it inailates cities and countries and that is not the direction of the bible. It doesn't speak of totally destruction. ( Ididn't spelt Inialite write but you know I jus an ole boy)
 

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It seems as if the U.S. is found under the banner of the (DAUGHTER of Babylon) note words daughter of..
She is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS<--LADY Liberty
Known for HER nation symbols of an EAGLE/WOMAN
Mounts her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
and is destroyed in a STRIKE that comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS from THENCE and from HER UTMOST BORDER and from the NORTH....

I think the destruction of the U.S. will allow the world gathered under the BEAST to make an attempt to annihilate ISRAEL......
I do not absolutely see the destruction of the entire US, but New York City is certainly going to be ashes some day. STILL with SO MUCH unrequited blood on our nation's hands (Yes I am talking about abortions); GOD certainly has the right to allow a foreign nation to destroy this nation.
 

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the daily

“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination
that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days” (Daniel 12:11).

The word “sacrifice” is in italics in the King James Version of the Bible.
That means the translators added it.

The only word that Daniel used is daily. That word is used about 100 times in the Old Testament.
And 80 percent of the time it is translated continual or continually. It is translated always about 5 percent of the time.

The Cambridge Bible reads, “the continual shall be taken away.” Our focus needs to be on the daily,
or continual —not on a word (sacrifice) that is not even in the original Hebrew text.

Strong’s Concordance and Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon define the Hebrew word for daily as perpetual. Webster’s Dictionary defines perpetual as “continuing forever, everlasting, valid for all time.”

The daily is God’s Work. It must continue because Christ prophesied that it would.
“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;
and the gates of [the grave] shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18).

The work of God’s Church is the continual. That means it will never die, or Christ is a liar.


That doesn’t mean all of God’s people do His Work. In fact, most of them do not (Matthew 24:12; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4; Revelation 3:14-17). That is why God shatters their power during the Tribulation (Daniel 12:7). The Laodicean, or lukewarm, churches fail to continue doing God’s Work. They fail to continue the Elijah Work (Malachi 4:5-6; Matthew 17:10-11; 24:12-14). They will be cast into the Tribulation because of this great sin. Christ is continuing His Work today,
but they are not a part of it.

“Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing” (verse 46).

“And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels;
and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him” (verse 17).

The word jewels is a bad translation. The context of the verse tells you that.
A better translation is God’s “special treasure.” Why are these people so special?

God says He will “spare them as a man spares his own son” from the Great Tribulation.

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers,
lest I come and smite the earth with a curse” (Malachi 4:5-6).

“Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him
that serveth God and him that serveth him not” (Malachi 3:18)

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets”

“The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord God hath spoken, who can but prophesy?”

Israel was told how to build the tabernacle (Exodus 26:1). The altar also had to be built (Exodus 27:1).

There also was a lamp. “And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive
beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always” (verse 20). The lamp was to burn always, continually.

Only the very elect are taken to a place of safety. Only they continue doing the Work of God.

“Two women[church] shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left” (Matthew 24:41).

“And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months” (Revelation 11:1

The word temple is from the Greek naos, meaning inner temple. That is where the Christ of Revelation
1 dwells! These saints continue to let Christ rule and do His Work through them.

When the organized Church continual is taken away, it causes many people to panic.

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord” (Amos 8:11).

We are now in the “crisis at the end.” The trouble is not just doubled, it is multiplied!
Terrifying times are here now—worse than any time in history!

The phrase “many shall give way” refers to God’s own people. As the trouble multiplies,
they turn from God and give in to the world’s evil way. They quit doing God’s continual (see Matthew 24:12).


The Work is continual!
 
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All scriptures that describe the daughter of Babylon have to fit, and Zechariah 2 I showed you says it is the kingdom to the north. This does not mean North America, because we are not north of Israel.

Do you realize that after the U.S. that Turkey has the second largest military force in the U.N. after America, and the bible clearly lists them as part of the final system and is destroyed. Once again read Ezekiel 28-30 which gives clear insight to the nations that will follow the man of sin, and you will see they are all Muslim to mostly Muslim nations. America does not fit Mystery Babylon or daughter of Babylon, as they both derived within the Muslim nations.

Zechariah 2:6 shows it is the kingdom to the north...............

That could just as easily be a reference to the Northern Hemisphere. Sure the HUMAN authors of that day, did not know the world was not FLAT, but GOD CERTAINLY KNEW, and all Scripture was INSPIRED BY GOD.

Jeremiah 50:9 (YLT)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For, lo, I am stirring up, And am causing to come up against Babylon, An assembly of great nations from a land of the north, And they have set in array against her, From thence she is captured, Its arrow--as a skilful hero--returneth not empty,
 
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Why is it that people seem to think that the US will escape the chaos and destruction that is soon coming upon the world.
Just because The United States of America is not so named in the Bible does not mean that God will not judge us.
 
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That could just as easily be a reference to the Northern Hemisphere. Sure the HUMAN authors of that day, did not know the world was not FLAT, but GOD CERTAINLY KNEW, and all Scripture was INSPIRED BY GOD.

Jeremiah 50:9 (YLT)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For, lo, I am stirring up, And am causing to come up against Babylon, An assembly of great nations from a land of the north, And they have set in array against her, From thence she is captured, Its arrow--as a skilful hero--returneth not empty,

Unfortunately that is thinking in worldly terms, as we have to go to the Jews to know what is being talked about here.
And I don't know one Jew converted or not converted to Christianity that teaches on the OT that the kingdom to the north just means northern hemisphere. They state that it is the kingdom north of Israel, which could be either Turkey or Russia. Turkey has the second largest military in the U.N. after the U.S., and has threatened the U.S. and Israel here recently if they attack Iran...........
 

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From my studies I don't see nuclear war at all. I could be wrong as we did drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But nuclear is so destructive that it inailates cities and countries and that is not the direction of the bible. It doesn't speak of totally destruction. ( I didn't spell annihilates right, but you know I jus an ole boy)

Read my opening post again. I posted Scriptures that refer to "it annihilating cities and countries". Don't worry about the spelling, we understand about the misspellings, but know it gets WORSE as we get older. I know, I am there. If it wasn't for those red squiggly lines under misspelled words, that pull up the spell checker when I highlight and right click the word; I would make a LOT MORE.
 
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You can use what you have been taught all you want, but Revelation 8 clearly shows the 7 trumpets are contained within the 7th seal. The 7 angels are commissioned after the 7th seal is broken, so the trumpets can not be concurrent with the seals. I know they may have similar sounding verses in some of them, however we can not deny clear scripture from Revelation 8 just to try and make that theory of concurrent fit.

Revelation 8:1-2

8 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
Well, my post was trying to tell you that they were NOT concurrent or happening at the same time. The trumpet judgments follow the seal judgments. It just happens that the trumpet Judgments come out (follow) the 7th seal. In other words, imagine the 7th seal like it is a cat inside of a bag (who comes out). The bag is the 7th seal, and the cat is the 7 trumpet judgments (who is inside the bag).

So it's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Seals.
Then 1, 2, 3, etc. Trumpet Judgments, etc.


 
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Is this another pacifist thread?

Does my Avatar look like I am a Pacifist?

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That song meant a lot to a lot of us in the past.
 
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Well, my post was trying to tell you that they were NOT concurrent or happening at the same time. The trumpet judgments follow the seal judgments. It just happens that the trumpet Judgments come out (follow) the 7th seal. In other words, imagine the 7th seal like it is a cat inside of a bag (who comes out). The bag is the 7th seal, and the cat is the 7 trumpet judgments (who is inside the bag).

So it's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Seals.
Then 1, 2, 3, etc. Trumpet Judgments, etc.



The way you worded it before you made it sound like the 7 trumpets run concurrent with the 7 seals, so if you don't believer that then that is good because Revelation 8 is hard to deny yet some have done. Because I have seen that teaching multiple times before of trying to say they all run concurrent. This is false as the bible shows they run consecutively.
 

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Unfortunately that is thinking in worldly terms, as we have to go to the Jews to know what is being talked about here.
And I don't know one Jew converted or not converted to Christianity that teaches on the OT that the kingdom to the north just means northern hemisphere. They state that it is the kingdom north of Israel, which could be either Turkey or Russia. Turkey has the second largest military in the U.N. after the U.S., and has threatened the U.S. and Israel here recently if they attack Iran...........

That is Gog and Magog, the scripture that I posted referred to an Assembly of GREAT NATIONS from the North. Most of those north of Israel are not GREAT in size and power, nor are they of spiritually GREAT significance. AND Russia does not by itself make an Assembly of GREAT NATIONS.

Why would the Jews have answers to what brings an end to the Church age and of the Antichrist's Reign. They failed to recognize Jesus for what He was, and the will fail to recognize the Antichrist for what he is; and even sign a 7 year peace treaty with him.

However, I do disagree with you on born again Christians Jews not understand these end times prophecies the way I do. I learned a lot of them from Dr. Zola Levitt.

End Times Prophecy Events
 
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Actually, Paul and Peter tie the day of the Lord, the day of Christ and the day of God together as one day with three different aspects, Because Jesus is LORD, CHRIST and GOD as found in Paul's verbiage of the resurrection/change as found in the Thessalonian letters, The 1st Corinthian letter and Peter's language as found in 2nd Peter........
You may agree or disagree, but:

The 6th Seal, releases the signs leading up to the Day of the Lord (that will shortly follow under the timing of the 6th seal still). This is based on several key verses of which you can check out in my chronology. Just Google the keywords: "Revelation Olivet discourse chronology."

1. "Day of the Lord" is a general reference to the period or age known as God's Judgment or Wrath. (Revelation 6 with the 6th Seal says the Great Day of His Wrath has come). This Wrath is in response to the cries of vengeance from the saints from the previous 5th seal.

2. "Day of Christ" is another name for the Day of the Lord, but it is used as a distinction here in the New Testament because Jesus is Lord. Anyways, in 2nd Thessalonians 2, the "Day of Christ" (KJV) is translated as "The Day of the Lord" in the New Living Translation (NLT), which is more accurate to our understanding that it is talking about the same period of time or age known as the "Day of the Lord" (i.e. the Day of the Lord begins with the 6th seal and ends when the world being purified by fire). Granted, "Day of Christ" could be used here as being unique because it kicks off the whole event known as the "Day of the Lord."

3. "Day of God" is used interchangablely with the "Day of the Lord" in 2 Peter 3. The use of the "Day of God" suggests that things are drawing to an End for this world and all it's evil works. For in the beginning: God... And in the end: God. For He is the Alpha and the Omega.



Side Note:

In Revelation 1:10, there is the mention of the "Lord's Day." Now, not to be confused with the "Day of the Lord", which is a period of time that takes place during the last half of the Tribulation; I believe the Lord's Day is Sunday. I believe this is appropriate in being called the Lord's Day because this is when Jesus had ascended to the Father to be our Mediator between God and man (Thereby completing His plan of Redemption for us). In other words, His mission was not accomplished until He ascended. While Christ's resurrection is very important part of our Redemption in Christ, the following ascension to the Father was just as equally important. This was the ascension to the Father when Jesus told Mary not to touch Him (Before He revealed Himself to His disciples). This is the Lord's Day.
 
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That is Gog and Magog, the scripture that I posted referred to an Assembly of GREAT NATIONS from the North. Most of those north of Israel are not GREAT in size and power, nor are they of spiritually GREAT significance. AND Russia does not by itself make an Assembly of GREAT NATIONS.

Why would the Jews have answers to what brings an end to the Church age and of the Antichrist's Reign. They failed to recognize Jesus for what He was, and the will fail to recognize the Antichrist for what he is; and even sign a 7 year peace treaty with him.

However, I do disagree with you on born again Christians Jews not understand these end times prophecies the way I do. I learned a lot of them from Dr. Zola Levitt.

End Times Prophecy Events

I did not say born again Jews do not know or understand the end times prophecies, as what I said is the Jews rather born again or not know the end times prophecies better then we do. They had all the end times prophecies from the OT before even the new covenant was issued in by our Lord, so they would have better insight what was being said because they were written by the Jews inspired by God.

Second you are using Jeremiah 50, and in that chapter it clearly says where these nations of the north come from as it says the land of the Chaldeans. The land of the Chaldeans consist of Iraq, Syria, and Turkey.
Yes the Jews did not see Jesus for who He was because they believe in only one coming of the Lord, and in that coming He will conquer the world. The bible tells us they were blinded in part until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This does not mean they are all blinded to the OT end times prophecies. As a matter of fact most Jewish teachers of the OT scriptures state that the end times is all middle east centered, and U.S. is not Babylon, daughter of Babylon, or Mystery Babylon either way you want to state it. There is at least one or more clear cut scriptures that rule out the U.S. for any of them.
 

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I did not say born again Jews do not know or understand the end times prophecies, as what I said is the Jews rather born again or not know the end times prophecies better then we do. They had all the end times prophecies from the OT before even the new covenant was issued in by our Lord, so they would have better insight what was being said because they were written by the Jews inspired by God.

Second you are using Jeremiah 50, and in that chapter it clearly says where these nations of the north come from as it says the land of the Chaldeans. The land of the Chaldeans consist of Iraq, Syria, and Turkey.

Yes the Jews did not see Jesus for who He was because they believe in only one coming of the Lord, and in that coming He will conquer the world. The bible tells us they were blinded in part until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. This does not mean they are all blinded to the OT end times prophecies. As a matter of fact most Jewish teachers of the OT scriptures state that the end times is all middle east centered, and U.S. is not Babylon, daughter of Babylon, or Mystery Babylon either way you want to state it. There is at least one or more clear cut scriptures that rule out the U.S. for any of them.


NOTE, the land of the Chaldeans is BELOW the Babylonia. It literally is Kuwait and little tiny bit of southern Iraq. In Bible times even UR was part of Chaldea; which is the ancestral home of Abraham.
 
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This is one of the maps that comes up when searching land of the Chaldeans......
 

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This is one of the maps that comes up when searching land of the Chaldeans......
YES they were part of the Assyrian Empire, not the other way around. The Border was between UR and Babylon: