Does the new covenant affirm or deny the OT?
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Blik, you shouldn't be offering your opinion about fundamental rules of exegesis, you broke everyone you spoke of in this post!
The NT does NOT tell us to observe days & festivals, regardless if God did in the past. One is not related to the other.
Dec 25 is a fabricated date of Christ's birth, in order to compete with a Pagan festival that was observed on that day. THis is clearly not an ordinance from God. And the apostles would cringe if they saw how we celebrate this day, or that we even set aside this day as being more special than the rest.
Col 2:16 is speaking very specifically of Jewish rules and regulations, can you not tell the difference? Every single ordinance that he mentioned was specific to Judaism, and the Sabbath was exclusive to it. And you sit there and say that he was referring to pagan rites? My response to you is something out of your own mouth 'That means we must question our interpretation of it'
Where in the world, namely the NT, does it say to honour the Sabbath???
It is your interpretation of scripture that must be in question here. Romans explains that all mechanical and external rituals and practices do not reflect a man's true disposition. One must be circumcised on the inside, not the outside. I offered one scripture just to jog one's memory on how this principle is addressed throughout the NT. I shouldn't be necessary to cite the rest, the principle permeates the NT!
The NT does NOT tell us to observe days & festivals, regardless if God did in the past. One is not related to the other.
Dec 25 is a fabricated date of Christ's birth, in order to compete with a Pagan festival that was observed on that day. THis is clearly not an ordinance from God. And the apostles would cringe if they saw how we celebrate this day, or that we even set aside this day as being more special than the rest.
Col 2:16 is speaking very specifically of Jewish rules and regulations, can you not tell the difference? Every single ordinance that he mentioned was specific to Judaism, and the Sabbath was exclusive to it. And you sit there and say that he was referring to pagan rites? My response to you is something out of your own mouth 'That means we must question our interpretation of it'
Where in the world, namely the NT, does it say to honour the Sabbath???
It is your interpretation of scripture that must be in question here. Romans explains that all mechanical and external rituals and practices do not reflect a man's true disposition. One must be circumcised on the inside, not the outside. I offered one scripture just to jog one's memory on how this principle is addressed throughout the NT. I shouldn't be necessary to cite the rest, the principle permeates the NT!
On the contrary, you may find the following more interesting:
For God so loved the world that He gave His own Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. ~~ John 3:16
I just looked up your profile. You’re not even sure about your faith yet you arrogantly push the law on those of us who understand and embrace the fullness of God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
For God so loved the world that He gave His own Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. ~~ John 3:16
I just looked up your profile. You’re not even sure about your faith yet you arrogantly push the law on those of us who understand and embrace the fullness of God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
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First, I believe you meant to reference Hebrews 8:13 ... not Romans 8:10:
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
What does God mean when He says that He made the first old?
What does God mean when He says that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away?
I believe God when He told us He would make a new covenant:
Hebrews 8:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The moment we are born again, God puts His laws into our minds and writes them in our hearts.
God also gave us written instruction as to how we are to live our lives in accordance with the new covenant.
Being human, we are not always faithful in heeding that which God puts in our minds, writes in our hearts, or in following His written instruction. Hopefully, I am more heedful today than I was yesterday ... and I will be more heedful tomorrow than I am today. What I do know is that we all should praise God for His abundant mercy, grace, and lovingkindness toward us.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
What does God mean when He says that He made the first old?
What does God mean when He says that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away?
I believe God when He told us He would make a new covenant:
Hebrews 8:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The moment we are born again, God puts His laws into our minds and writes them in our hearts.
God also gave us written instruction as to how we are to live our lives in accordance with the new covenant.
Being human, we are not always faithful in heeding that which God puts in our minds, writes in our hearts, or in following His written instruction. Hopefully, I am more heedful today than I was yesterday ... and I will be more heedful tomorrow than I am today. What I do know is that we all should praise God for His abundant mercy, grace, and lovingkindness toward us.
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The "Old" Covenant" I believe is when all 12 (or 13) tribes represented by the elders of the people accepted YHVH's proposal for marriage.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
After King Solomon, 1Ki_11:43 And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
The Kingdom split. 1Ki_12:20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.
The year was around 930 BC. The House of Israel, under Jeroboam and subsequent kings was led into sins of adultery, choosing idols to serve. God warned many times, until He finally divorced the House of Israel. The House of Israel was taken into captivity around 721/722 BC by Assyria. There they were absorbed and scattered throughout the whole world. Forgetting who was their LORD and taking upon themselves the pagan traditions that the LORD despises. But even so, YHVH said He would remarry them, but one major problem, His own law (Deuteronomy 24:1-4) forbid the remarriage of the divorced wife who remarried (served other gods that are not gods).
Jeremiah did not comprehend how YHVY could take her back again. Jer 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
The allegory of Hosea is about the adulterous wife, who became YHVH's "Not my people" and then later once again became "My people".
The House of Israel became "Gentiles" and not my people. However, Saul who became known as Paul understood the mystery. He became the apostle for the Gentiles.
Released from the Law of Deuteronomy 24:1-4
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
And what about the House of Judah? They are annulled from the Old Covenant and now free to marry Jesus (Yeshua - Yah's salvation) - the NEW COVENANT. Made with the sacrifice of the blood of Jesus (God with us-Immanuel). No longer necessary for the sacrificial animals who were substitutes to temporarily cover their sins, and no need for a physical Third Temple located in Jerusaelm, for we the Christians are the temple of God (YHVY).
I believe many "Gentiles" have freely accepted the death and resurrection of Christ in faith, but have not yet fully comprehended the full reality of what they have accepted. It is a marriage proposal, and we are betrothed until the Bridegroom returns for His bride. The gospel, the good news is Jesus came to restore the divided kingdom, the House of Israel and House of Judah back into ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE AND LIBERTY FOR ALL (WHO ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOUR, in essence THEIR HUSBAND.)
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Mat_2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Rev_2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
So as Christians, the New Covenant is so that we can become part of the Commonwealth of Israel (One Nation). Are we the Bride by faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection? Are we Adopted into the New Covenant by faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection? Are we Grafted into the New Covenant by faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection?
Did Christ come to start a New Religion? Or did He come to collect his sheep as He is the good Shepherd?
If Jesus was a good Jew and never sinned, do we follow His examples and do as He did? As was His custom He went into the synagogue every Sabbath and read from the Old Testatment?
There is nothing wrong with keeping the Holy Days (see Leviticus 23). In fact, they are the rehearsals of Christ's First and Second Coming. When Paul uses the word "ignorant", what is he telling you?
Rom_1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
Rom_10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1Co_10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co_14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
The New Covenant is a better Covenant than the Old Covenant. Why? The Old Covenant and the New Covenant both allow anyone who wants to join the Commonwealth of Israel with the same laws for both the homeborn and the alien/stranger. The Old Covenant was done with the blood of animals and had to be repeated annually. The New Covenant is done with the blood of God manifested as the Son of God, Jesus Christ, and is done once and never done again.
What was sin in the Old Covenant? What is sin in the New Covenant? 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Does that mean that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ has made the law "done away with"? Paul says "No!" The Old Testament and all it has, points to Christ. After Christ's resurrection, Paul taught what?
Act_28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
After King Solomon, 1Ki_11:43 And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
The Kingdom split. 1Ki_12:20 And it came to pass, when all Israel heard that Jeroboam was come again, that they sent and called him unto the congregation, and made him king over all Israel: there was none that followed the house of David, but the tribe of Judah only.
The year was around 930 BC. The House of Israel, under Jeroboam and subsequent kings was led into sins of adultery, choosing idols to serve. God warned many times, until He finally divorced the House of Israel. The House of Israel was taken into captivity around 721/722 BC by Assyria. There they were absorbed and scattered throughout the whole world. Forgetting who was their LORD and taking upon themselves the pagan traditions that the LORD despises. But even so, YHVH said He would remarry them, but one major problem, His own law (Deuteronomy 24:1-4) forbid the remarriage of the divorced wife who remarried (served other gods that are not gods).
Jeremiah did not comprehend how YHVY could take her back again. Jer 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
The allegory of Hosea is about the adulterous wife, who became YHVH's "Not my people" and then later once again became "My people".
The House of Israel became "Gentiles" and not my people. However, Saul who became known as Paul understood the mystery. He became the apostle for the Gentiles.
Released from the Law of Deuteronomy 24:1-4
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
And what about the House of Judah? They are annulled from the Old Covenant and now free to marry Jesus (Yeshua - Yah's salvation) - the NEW COVENANT. Made with the sacrifice of the blood of Jesus (God with us-Immanuel). No longer necessary for the sacrificial animals who were substitutes to temporarily cover their sins, and no need for a physical Third Temple located in Jerusaelm, for we the Christians are the temple of God (YHVY).
I believe many "Gentiles" have freely accepted the death and resurrection of Christ in faith, but have not yet fully comprehended the full reality of what they have accepted. It is a marriage proposal, and we are betrothed until the Bridegroom returns for His bride. The gospel, the good news is Jesus came to restore the divided kingdom, the House of Israel and House of Judah back into ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE AND LIBERTY FOR ALL (WHO ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOUR, in essence THEIR HUSBAND.)
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Mat_2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Rev_2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
So as Christians, the New Covenant is so that we can become part of the Commonwealth of Israel (One Nation). Are we the Bride by faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection? Are we Adopted into the New Covenant by faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection? Are we Grafted into the New Covenant by faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection?
Did Christ come to start a New Religion? Or did He come to collect his sheep as He is the good Shepherd?
If Jesus was a good Jew and never sinned, do we follow His examples and do as He did? As was His custom He went into the synagogue every Sabbath and read from the Old Testatment?
There is nothing wrong with keeping the Holy Days (see Leviticus 23). In fact, they are the rehearsals of Christ's First and Second Coming. When Paul uses the word "ignorant", what is he telling you?
Rom_1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
Rom_10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom_11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1Co_10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co_14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
The New Covenant is a better Covenant than the Old Covenant. Why? The Old Covenant and the New Covenant both allow anyone who wants to join the Commonwealth of Israel with the same laws for both the homeborn and the alien/stranger. The Old Covenant was done with the blood of animals and had to be repeated annually. The New Covenant is done with the blood of God manifested as the Son of God, Jesus Christ, and is done once and never done again.
What was sin in the Old Covenant? What is sin in the New Covenant? 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Does that mean that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ has made the law "done away with"? Paul says "No!" The Old Testament and all it has, points to Christ. After Christ's resurrection, Paul taught what?
Act_28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
The over-arching principle of the NT is that the Law, and all its rituals, precepts and ordinances has been abrogated (abolished).
We understand both the principle behind this covenant alteration, and why it was necessary for the Law to precede Faith.
The Law defined the demands of perfection, and consequently exposed our sinfulness (forbidden fruit principle Rom. 7:5).
The new covenant released us from the bondage of the Law, emancipating us by faith in Christ Jesus who lived to perfection, and thus was qualified to be the final sacrifice.
We accept this principle because wisdom teaches us that Love and faith cannot be legislated. The law may state to not kill, but it doesn't mean that you still don't hate someone.
The verses to corroborate this are too numerous to cite, and it should not be necessary and this is the most fundamental doctrine in all of Christendom , and is what separates Judaism from Christianity.
But, it does not mean murder, adultery, rape, theft, extortion, usury are permitted, but it does mean the Law's prescription on how to deal with them i.e. atonement sacrifice, cleansing ritual, death penalty, has been annulled.
The penalty was part of the Law!
Equally, with the Sabbath, one is not obligated to observe it, but without exception, the Law's demand that the violator been stoned to death, has been abolished.
Understand why these superficial precepts cannot save and deem someone righteous, but that they actually do the opposite by arousing the flesh and instilling condemnation.
Again, this is Christianity 101.
We do not advocate promiscuity, violence and hate, but we deal with it now in a different manner than the Law formerly prescribed.
Romans 7:24-25
7:24. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25. Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law (faith), but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
We understand both the principle behind this covenant alteration, and why it was necessary for the Law to precede Faith.
The Law defined the demands of perfection, and consequently exposed our sinfulness (forbidden fruit principle Rom. 7:5).
The new covenant released us from the bondage of the Law, emancipating us by faith in Christ Jesus who lived to perfection, and thus was qualified to be the final sacrifice.
We accept this principle because wisdom teaches us that Love and faith cannot be legislated. The law may state to not kill, but it doesn't mean that you still don't hate someone.
The verses to corroborate this are too numerous to cite, and it should not be necessary and this is the most fundamental doctrine in all of Christendom , and is what separates Judaism from Christianity.
But, it does not mean murder, adultery, rape, theft, extortion, usury are permitted, but it does mean the Law's prescription on how to deal with them i.e. atonement sacrifice, cleansing ritual, death penalty, has been annulled.
The penalty was part of the Law!
Equally, with the Sabbath, one is not obligated to observe it, but without exception, the Law's demand that the violator been stoned to death, has been abolished.
Understand why these superficial precepts cannot save and deem someone righteous, but that they actually do the opposite by arousing the flesh and instilling condemnation.
Again, this is Christianity 101.
We do not advocate promiscuity, violence and hate, but we deal with it now in a different manner than the Law formerly prescribed.
Romans 7:24-25
7:24. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25. Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law (faith), but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
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And yet Jesus, King of Heaven, is Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus did not omit Gentiles from His teaching. He said, He has other sheep who are not of this fold, meaning the Jews, who were to be brought into the flock. One flock, one Shepherd.
The Saint Apostle Paul in his journeys kept the Sabbath as was intended and exampled by Jesus.
The Book of Acts chapter 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 and Paul, as his custom was, went in unto them, and for three [a]sabbath days reasoned with them from the scriptures, 3 opening and alleging that it behooved the Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom, said he, I proclaim unto you, is the Christ.
It isn't a Catholic interpretation when Christians across America attend church on Sunday. Penance however, is a Catholic rite.
The Saint Apostle Paul didn't "become a Jew", Paul was a Jew, a Roman citizen, and a Pharisee. Meaning he knew the law of God backwards and forwards.
The churches Paul founded honored the Sabbath. The letter, epistle, to the church in Thessalonica praised the largely Gentile congregation there their faith and practices like unto that of Judea.
The epistle of 1 Thessalonians chapter 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.
2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and [a]patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, before [b]our God and Father; 4 knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election, 5 [c]how that our [d]gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much [e]assurance; even as ye know what manner of men we showed ourselves toward you for your sake. 6 And ye became imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit; 7 so that ye became an ensample to all that believe in Macedonia and in Achaia. 8 For from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but in every place your faith to God-ward is gone forth; so that we need not to speak anything. 9 For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come.
FOOTNOTES
The Book of Acts chapter13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, brethren, that through this man is proclaimed unto you remission of sins: 39 and by him every one that believeth is justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you which is spoken in the prophets:
41 [l]Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and [m]perish;
For I work a work in your days,
A work which ye shall in no wise believe, if one declare it unto you.
42 And as they went out, they besought that these words might be spoken to them the next sabbath. 43 Now when the synagogue broke up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas; who, speaking to them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath almost the whole city was gathered together to hear the word of [n]God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy, and contradicted the things which were spoken by Paul, and [o]blasphemed. 46 And Paul and Barnabas spake out boldly, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to you. Seeing ye thrust it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying,
[p]I have set thee for a light of the Gentiles,That thou shouldest be for salvation unto the uttermost part of the earth.
48 And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of [q]God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was spread abroad throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews urged on the devout women of honorable estate, and the chief men of the city, and stirred up a persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and cast them out of their borders. 51 But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
The Saint Apostle Paul in his journeys kept the Sabbath as was intended and exampled by Jesus.
The Book of Acts chapter 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 and Paul, as his custom was, went in unto them, and for three [a]sabbath days reasoned with them from the scriptures, 3 opening and alleging that it behooved the Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom, said he, I proclaim unto you, is the Christ.
It isn't a Catholic interpretation when Christians across America attend church on Sunday. Penance however, is a Catholic rite.
The Saint Apostle Paul didn't "become a Jew", Paul was a Jew, a Roman citizen, and a Pharisee. Meaning he knew the law of God backwards and forwards.
The churches Paul founded honored the Sabbath. The letter, epistle, to the church in Thessalonica praised the largely Gentile congregation there their faith and practices like unto that of Judea.
The epistle of 1 Thessalonians chapter 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.
2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and [a]patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, before [b]our God and Father; 4 knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election, 5 [c]how that our [d]gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much [e]assurance; even as ye know what manner of men we showed ourselves toward you for your sake. 6 And ye became imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit; 7 so that ye became an ensample to all that believe in Macedonia and in Achaia. 8 For from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but in every place your faith to God-ward is gone forth; so that we need not to speak anything. 9 For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come.
FOOTNOTES
The Book of Acts chapter13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, brethren, that through this man is proclaimed unto you remission of sins: 39 and by him every one that believeth is justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you which is spoken in the prophets:
41 [l]Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and [m]perish;
For I work a work in your days,
A work which ye shall in no wise believe, if one declare it unto you.
42 And as they went out, they besought that these words might be spoken to them the next sabbath. 43 Now when the synagogue broke up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas; who, speaking to them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath almost the whole city was gathered together to hear the word of [n]God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy, and contradicted the things which were spoken by Paul, and [o]blasphemed. 46 And Paul and Barnabas spake out boldly, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to you. Seeing ye thrust it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying,
[p]I have set thee for a light of the Gentiles,That thou shouldest be for salvation unto the uttermost part of the earth.
48 And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of [q]God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was spread abroad throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews urged on the devout women of honorable estate, and the chief men of the city, and stirred up a persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and cast them out of their borders. 51 But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
gentiles did not have the Law, nor did they have the scrolls that contained the Law and the Prophets ( what they called what we call the Old Testament), nor did they have the Jewish Writings ( what the Pharisees called the traditions of the elders ), which were the 613 other laws written after Israel returned from exile.
so, the synagogue was the only place that had them, and they were read on the jewish Sabbath.
so, this proves in no way that the gentiles were ever commanded to the Sabbath. ( which they were not).
so, the synagogue was the only place that had them, and they were read on the jewish Sabbath.
so, this proves in no way that the gentiles were ever commanded to the Sabbath. ( which they were not).
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We do not go by the physical ordinances of Israel for Jesus nailed them to His cross taking them out of the way for they were contrary to us for they had no bearing on spiritual salvation which the Old Testament is a covenant that gives blessings on earth, and they could not have the Spirit like in the New Testament.
But the Old Testament is good for the history part of it, and creation, and of prophesy to come in the future, which God says He identifies Himself as the one true God by telling us the end from the beginning, and He told us the whole history of mankind, and the Old Testament is important for it testifies of the New Testament to come.
How many people would believe the New Testament if there was no Old Testament to prophesy about it.
And the spiritual laws, laws of love, moral laws, in the Old Testament always apply, and Psalms, and Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes is always in affect that deals with wisdom and goodness for that will never pass away.
We do not go by the physical ordinances of Israel and a lot of the Old Testament is important, and applies.
Prophesy, spiritual laws, moral laws, the books of wisdom and goodness and how important it is to follow the truth and God that never pass away, and history all testifying of a God.
But the Old Testament is good for the history part of it, and creation, and of prophesy to come in the future, which God says He identifies Himself as the one true God by telling us the end from the beginning, and He told us the whole history of mankind, and the Old Testament is important for it testifies of the New Testament to come.
How many people would believe the New Testament if there was no Old Testament to prophesy about it.
And the spiritual laws, laws of love, moral laws, in the Old Testament always apply, and Psalms, and Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes is always in affect that deals with wisdom and goodness for that will never pass away.
We do not go by the physical ordinances of Israel and a lot of the Old Testament is important, and applies.
Prophesy, spiritual laws, moral laws, the books of wisdom and goodness and how important it is to follow the truth and God that never pass away, and history all testifying of a God.
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It grieves me to hear people distort what living under the law means. It is not God telling us to disregard the law in any way, that would be disregarding all scripture tells us. It is true that it is our faith that God looks for, it is our faith that is what is our inner being, it is our faith that leads us, but if we have faith we have law.
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What do the following verses tell you?
Romans 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Romans 8:1-2 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 10:4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Romans 13:9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.
Romans 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Romans 8:1-2 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 10:4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Romans 13:9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Hebrews 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.
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I would say, lighten your heart when you encounter that. People distorting what living under the law means.
Some are genuine students of the word, though they may be new at it, or they may not have studied that far into it. Others, could be here to pull our chain. To see if we'll turn into them when they become abrasive after appearing to be nice. The passive aggressive demon as it were.
God's word is truth. Hold to that and you'll find the slings and arrows aren't even felt when they come soaring toward your armor.
Some are genuine students of the word, though they may be new at it, or they may not have studied that far into it. Others, could be here to pull our chain. To see if we'll turn into them when they become abrasive after appearing to be nice. The passive aggressive demon as it were.
God's word is truth. Hold to that and you'll find the slings and arrows aren't even felt when they come soaring toward your armor.
Matthew 12:8 is the culmination of the answer to Matthew 12:2. why does He say this? why is vv. 1-7 precisely the perfect reply, that only God Himself manifest in the flesh, could have the wisdom to have said?
there is one Lord. that makes only three possible categories of living beings, and Matthew 12:8 puts Jesus in exactly one of them:
there is one Lord. that makes only three possible categories of living beings, and Matthew 12:8 puts Jesus in exactly one of them:
- the Lord Himself
- His servants
- His enemies
