Does the sovereignty of God nullify the grace of God?
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yes determinists predict the future of a person and persons which is a form of futurism
A preterist will say the authentic word of God.
Of course I am speaking from the view point I'm a preterist by some here 😬
And my little preterist heart says robin hood and his dainty men says differently
Especially the thief on the cross 😊
A preterist will say the authentic word of God.
Of course I am speaking from the view point I'm a preterist by some here 😬
And my little preterist heart says robin hood and his dainty men says differently
Especially the thief on the cross 😊
well the Calvinist belief is mainly based on the belief of one person, John Calvin by the looks of it.
So I bring you a belief of something concerning a predetermined view of a belief I have expressed, within many beliefs to you, some of which can be explained in scripture.
But like John Calvin not all of my view points can be proven in scripture. So yes I confess to this.
I know the Jews believe gog and Magog may not need to happen where by a battle unfolds and a whole nation is wiped out 😊
but then don't many prophecies spoken to people happen very soon in the bible.
like on many occasions the lord tells people what to say in an event that is coming soon.
because he knows what will happen in that event if they don't say what there told to.
So I bring you a belief of something concerning a predetermined view of a belief I have expressed, within many beliefs to you, some of which can be explained in scripture.
But like John Calvin not all of my view points can be proven in scripture. So yes I confess to this.
I know the Jews believe gog and Magog may not need to happen where by a battle unfolds and a whole nation is wiped out 😊
but then don't many prophecies spoken to people happen very soon in the bible.
like on many occasions the lord tells people what to say in an event that is coming soon.
because he knows what will happen in that event if they don't say what there told to.
If you keep reading you will see these people are homosexuals, lesbians and such. But you think this is about Christians? Yeah, I think there's nothing more to say here.
26. Therefore God handed them over to disgraceful diseases*, and their females changed their natural need and became accustomed to that which is unnatural.
27. And again also their males in this way abandoned the natural need for females, and they were ravished with desire one for another, even male for male, and committed disgrace and received a right reward in their persons for their error.
But this describes Christians to you?
26. Therefore God handed them over to disgraceful diseases*, and their females changed their natural need and became accustomed to that which is unnatural.
27. And again also their males in this way abandoned the natural need for females, and they were ravished with desire one for another, even male for male, and committed disgrace and received a right reward in their persons for their error.
But this describes Christians to you?
That's true, and you are welcome, Forest, but that verse does not address the fact that the natural man is incapable of loving God in that he is hostile in his mind toward Him - an enemy. We both acknowledge that God must move first, and Jesus draws all men to Himself, though I think on that second point you hold to it only being the elect who are drawn, while I hold to it being whosoever will believe, for the gospel goes out to all, and though men (and women, too, of course) may acknowledge and/or see God's handiwork in creation, this does not in itself expose them to the gospel message, nor guarantee they know the One True God. So while some say, what is the point of preaching if God has already chosen whom He will save, I believe people are seeking Truth in their own way, and even Pilate wondered what was truth, while faced with the Person in Whom it is embodied. And to those who diligently seek truth, God will reveal His Son, and the message of the cross. Now at what point a person's heart is circumcised is little spoken of here, but that needs to happen before we can love God and truly submit our will to His, even after having sincerely sought and had revelations and Divine interventions. I may have left something out? I just got home from work and grocery shopping... and tomorrow is another work day for me...
You can desire to fly to the moon all you want, but you will not get there. You cannot will yourself to the moon.
The same can be said to be true of many things you may desire or try to will into existence. You simply cannot.
Moreover, the will is constrained by many factors, so many in fact, that I cannot see it as being free at all.
Please note that these constraints do not nullify people's ability to make choices. Yet our options are limited.
The same can be said to be true of many things you may desire or try to will into existence. You simply cannot.
Moreover, the will is constrained by many factors, so many in fact, that I cannot see it as being free at all.
Please note that these constraints do not nullify people's ability to make choices. Yet our options are limited.
I think the greatest manifestation of His love is the fact that He even died for those who He knew would not choose Him. He died for ALL sin, even those who never believed. All sin is judged.........It's conjecture on my part, but I believe that will be why hell is pure hell.....They will know He died for them, and they rejected His free offer.
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