Does the Tree of Life overcome the tree of knowledge?

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Otherwise, God would have just fixed the situation in a much simpler fashion.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

satan deceived the whole world with the beast system perception (fallen free will) ..money, pride, vanity, and lust.
 
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Why didn't God remove satan right away? Why did He send His Son to be a Sacrifice?

Free Will must be monumentally important. Any quick fix God would have done would have hindered it.

A Righteous God must consider Free Will limitation to be evil ..that includes imposing it on satan.

God set everything up so that you always have the Free Will choice to believe ..or not.

Sending His Son was the only way to keep Free Will intact and show us The Way to everlasting Life.
 

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I think that I can truely understanding the Pics.
My understaning is

Cross section of our brain,It looks like a tree,
parable , it is the garden of God,
It's also a temple of God

The rule of satan is eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,kill for kill,hate for hate,abuse for abuse.
The rule of God is still eye for eye,but love for hate and love for love.
About the 'eyes' picture, actually the title of that picture is 'Dying' by Alex Grey.

Some lines taken from the artists personal bio:
"an entheogenically induced mystical experience transformed his agnostic existentialism to a radical transcendentalism. The Grey couple continued to take "sacramental journeys" on LSD. For five years,"

"Grey’s unique series of 21 life-sized paintings, the Sacred Mirrors, take the viewer on a journey toward their own divine nature by examining, in detail, the body, mind, and spirit."

"Grey’s recent work explores the subject of consciousness from the perspective of “universal beings” whose bodies are grids of fire, eyes and infinite galactic swirls."

"Renowned healers Olga Worral and Rosalyn Bruyere express appreciation for the skillful portrayal of clairvoyant vision his paintings of translucent glowing bodies. Countless teachers and spiritual leaders, including Deepak Choprah, incorporate Alex's art in their power point presentations."

"Manaus, the international psychedelic community has embraced Grey as an important mapmaker and spokesman for the visionary realm."

"the Watkins Review named Alex Grey one of the top twenty spiritual leaders alive today, in the company of such towering luminaries as His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Eckhardt Tolle, and Oprah Winfrey."

"Grey co-edited the book, Zig Zag Zen: Buddhism and Psychedelics"

"Alex's painting "Net of Being"—inspired by a blazing vision of an infinite grid of Godheads during an ayahuasca journey"



The tree came up with nothing definitive, but most connections to it were New Age, Eastern religion and
psychedelic. And multiple hits relating to Atlantis coming back into power dawning a new spiritual age.



The black pic brought nothing. But the 'eye' image is very commonly used in New Age and eastern religions. And some of the other images within resemble ancient Egyptian art styles. Even the eye itself has a similar style to it.



Even the avatar, while seeming to be a portion of a larger picture, did not bring up any results. By the look of it is the same style as other New Age art. And all the hits that it brought up were similar in appearance and all New Age/Eastern religious imagery.
 

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Adam and Eve decided to join/(be captive) of his will.

he turned wisdom into death.
When God created the garden He put in BOTH the tree if life and the tree of knowledge and said it was good. That was news to me, thanks for suggesting this study. The tree of Knowledge only tells of good and evil.

It was not the knowledge of sin that killed Adam and Eve, it was the sin of disobeying God. God covered their sin with the blood of animals that symbolized Christ, and we know that because God made clothing from the animals that covered Adam and Eve. We also know that the sacrifice of blood by Abel was accepted, the work sacrifice from the work of Cain was not accepted for the forgiveness of sin.
 
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When God created the garden He put in BOTH the tree if life and the tree of knowledge and said it was good. That was news to me, thanks for suggesting this study. The tree of Knowledge only tells of good and evil. It was not the knowledge of sin that killed Adam and Eve, it was the sin of disobeying God...
Yes, disobedience brings separation and death. For confirmation, see the fall of the angels - "They kept not their first estate" which was ordained for them. They trespassed and went where they weren't supposed to go. Because they are angels they were not killed by Death, but kept in bondage for the Day of Judgment. (Jude 1:6; cf 2 Pet 2:4)

On the positive side, I earlier quoted Hebrews 5:8,9. Jesus obeyed the Father, and was thus perfected, and this Perfected One became the source of salvation for all who obey him. This dovetails with Jesus' "As I obey the Father, you should obey my commands." (John 15:10; 16:27; 14:23). When you obey, you get life, and when you don't, you don't get life.

He is the obedient Lamb of God. By faith, we see Him and live, and by faith we follow.
 
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When God created the garden He put in BOTH the tree if life and the tree of knowledge and said it was good. That was news to me, thanks for suggesting this study. The tree of Knowledge only tells of good and evil.

It was not the knowledge of sin that killed Adam and Eve, it was the sin of disobeying God. God covered their sin with the blood of animals that symbolized Christ, and we know that because God made clothing from the animals that covered Adam and Eve. We also know that the sacrifice of blood by Abel was accepted, the work sacrifice from the work of Cain was not accepted for the forgiveness of sin.

Adam and Eve got tempted to perceive good and evil the way satan does. To perceive without God involved is the tree of knowledge. The beast system.

God didn't want to force Christ's Perception on us ..He wanted us to choose it freely.
FREE WILL.

You have the same choice as Adam and Eve.

The beast system is money, vanity, pride, greed, lust, nationalism

When God said we would die if we ate from the tree of knowledge ..He was saying we would have the perception of death ..satan's way of viewing things.

satan said they wouldn't die ..he represented death. He said their eyes would open ..they opened to his perception ..but closed to God.
 

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Their eyes were opened to satan's perception of good and evil, but closed to God so they could think of themselves as gods.

We are never told what the good and evil actually represent. It doesn’t make any sense for satan to be associated with "good". It means his good is not the same good of God. Worthless "good" intentions because God is not involved.

The road to hell is paved in "good" intentions.

nature, nationalism, money, and pride have worthless "good" intentions from the tree of knowledge.

The tree of knowledge gets burned up so it's best to stop using it now before it is too late.

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the good and evil represents the eternal conflict of light and dark in the beginning everything was dark , and then God spoke and the light began to shine out of darkness and only the light was deemed good because it came from the word of God

the light which is deemed good was then seperated from the darkness

then man was made in the image of God being very good and not evil already in Gods image not considering both good and evil but they were good filled with good knowledge the gospel was mans nature the light

The knowledge of good and evil is a comparison between listening to Gods wisdom his word “ you are free to eat of any tree but this one fruit is forbidden you Must not partake of you will die “

and the knowledge of Satan who seeks not for us to live like Gods commandment there will cause if it’s obeyed , but he wants man to be cursed and die by Gods commandment

so he gives them the conflicting knowledge to what God had given them “ the fruit is a matter of life and death because God said so he creates what he said “

so if they ever then eat the fruit they are going to certainly die. Satan knew this is true so his one goal became “ I need to make them freely transgress and eat the fruit , then they will die

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

The enemies sight told him this

“for in the day that they eatest thereof they shalt surely die.”

so he had to convince them that Gods word wasn’t true and didn’t apply to them his word was better for them than Gods ( good and evil ) knowledge comes from words .....man is designed to operate by word and thought and communication unlike any species

Satan spoke the knowledge of temptation into their minds like a baited hook and they took the bait line and sinker being naive of good and evil


Satan told them “no you won’t die at all you will be as gods “ they then partook of the knowledge of evil when they accepted the serpents word that’s what led them To the act of transgression .

that’s actually what Jesus teaches us to overcome sin that sin is operating within our thinking and desires from within us in our heart by the knowledge we partake of in the world whether good or evil


God put them in Eden , they transgressed ( because of satans deception )and then he drove then out so they could not eat of the tree of life and live forever because now they were conflicted between good and evil they would be transgressors each time the evil won out thier nature was corrupted

so when God creates us before transgression

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬


and just ten generations after they followed satans word this was true of mans nature and the effect of man in creation is seen

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 12-13‬ ‭


Our nature was corrupted from good , to good v evil war inside of us access from God , and also access from Satan

man wasn’t supposed to have this law in us ot came from the forbidden knowledge

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We are supposed to have the gospel as our knowledge and nature not the conflict Satan introduced to us
 

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The giving of the law of Moses the knowledge of good and evil ( sin )

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15‬ ‭

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭

by the law is the knowledge of good and evil and then the tree of the knowledge of life the gospel

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

which one can eat of and live forever

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so you have the laws knowledge of sin

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭

it’s consequence

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And the tree of life regarding the same matter one demands by commandment death for the sinner , the other offers life for the repentant sinner

“They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:

and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:4-5, 7, 9-13‬

Men can’t handle the authority of judgement the law gave them that power changes men into beasts do union isn’t something men can handle so Christ now has it . If we want to eat of the tree of life again we can but we can’t keep feeding on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil it causes us to exalt ourself d demands we judge each other

The conflicting knowledge of sin

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32-33, 35-36‬ ‭

“Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭25:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The knowledge of the tree of life

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One is death for any sinner , the other is life if they repent
 
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The giving of the law of Moses the knowledge of good and evil ( sin )
Most of our readers would agree that there is a singular person in history. He is variously called the Ruler of the House of Jacob (Luke 1:33) and Son of David (Luke 18:38), among other titles. Paul calls him the Last Adam (1 Cor 15:45). We call him Jesus, Master, and Lord.

Isaiah 7 has an interesting prophecy concerning him: Then Isaiah said, 'Hear now, O house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God as well? Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel. By the time He knows enough to reject evil and choose good, He will be eating curds and honey. For before the boy knows enough to reject evil and choose good, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."

Here appears knowledge of a peculiar sort: the knowledge of choosing. The rest of us, unfortunately, chose unwisely, and sin came. But here's One who chose well, being obedient to the Father's expressed will: "it is written". So knowledge of the law isn't evil, or sin. There is one who lived under the same stipulations that we do. "Born of a woman, under the law" (Gal 4:4) yet whose redemptive acts of obedience, culminating with his death on the cross, now opens the way for the rest. He truly is the Way.
 
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  • God didn't want to force Christ's Perception on us ..He wanted us to choose it freely. FREE WILL. God doesn't put the apple in your hand. God sees the outcome, His Plan is based on the choices you made. Your choices mean something, you don't get to claim determinism at Judgement. It is your point of view where Free Will dwells.

  • Adam and Eve got tempted to perceive good and evil the way satan does. To perceive without God involved IS the tree of knowledge. The beast system.

  • You have the same choice as Adam and Eve. Temptation happens in the mind.

  • The beast system is money, vanity, pride, greed, lust, nationalism.

  • When God said we would die if we ate from the tree of knowledge ..He was saying we would have the perception of death ..satan's way of viewing things.

  • satan's way: anything and everything without God involved ..that includes "good" intentions.

  • The Gospel leads to The Truth ..that you need God in your perception(Life spirit). Gain access to the Tree of Life for Everlasting Life. It's about having God in your mind. Righteousness instead of self-righteousness.

  • satan said they wouldn't die ..he represented death. He said their eyes would open ..they opened to his perception ..but closed to God.

  • satan was created good with wisdom, he used his Free Will to become prideful and turn wisdom into death.
 

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  • When God said we would die if we ate from the tree of knowledge ..He was saying we would have the perception of death ..satan's way of viewing things
I think we need a better understanding of this, I for one am bewildered. Scripture tells us that both the tree of knowledge and the tree of life was put in the garden, and that it was good.

There are many posts that argue back and forth about the law, and the tree of knowledge included knowledge of the law. If this knowledge is good, then it is good that we know the law if it is used in the proper way, and scripture tells us this is true. If the tree of knowledge was good, then it was only bad that Adam and Eve disobeyed God, that was wrong, and yet in this verse It seems to imply that when they received knowledge they would die. Was it from disobedience that death came, or from knowing evil? Is it wrong for us to know the law?

Gen. 2: 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
 
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Where does it say the tree of knowledge is the Law? The Tree of Life is Righteousness ..so that is the Law.

satan turned the tree of knowledge evil.

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

"One of Us" means the Holy Trinity

To become like the Holy Trinity means to have the ability to be about yourself using the corrupt perception of good and evil.

We take from the Tree of Life via Christ's Perception.
 

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Gen. 2: 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
You should seeking God's words as parables.
The fruit of the tree of good and evil is as poisonous as the tooth of serpent out of mouth of serpent.

Our brain looks like a tree,

and The fruit should not be good and evil,
but fruit of life.

Good and evil can only produce The coexistence of good and evil,
but life can only produce life.

That is why Jesus on The cross for all of us.
this is life for life.Death has no authority over Jesus.

He is The life, he is The way, he is The key to life.

Praise the Lord
Praise the God.









:oops:
 

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You should seeking God's words as parables.
The fruit of the tree of good and evil is as poisonous as the tooth of serpent out of mouth of serpent.:oops:
So you say the fruit of knowledge is evil? Yet in Genesis we are told that the tree of knowledge was in the garden and all in the garden was good. We are told that part of that knowledge was knowledge of evil. In Isaiah and Proverbs knowledge is praised as leading to wisdom.

Perhaps you are on the right track speaking of fruits, for we know the fruits of evil is death.
 

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So you say the fruit of knowledge is evil? Yet in Genesis we are told that the tree of knowledge was in the garden and all in the garden was good. We are told that part of that knowledge was knowledge of evil. In Isaiah and Proverbs knowledge is praised as leading to wisdom.

Perhaps you are on the right track speaking of fruits, for we know the fruits of evil is death.
The fruit of the tree of good and evil as poisonous as the tooth of serpent out of mouth of serpent.
 
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The evil fruit is the beast system: money, vanity, pride, greed, lust, violence, nationalism.
 

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So you say the fruit of knowledge is evil? Yet in Genesis we are told that the tree of knowledge was in the garden and all in the garden was good. We are told that part of that knowledge was knowledge of evil. In Isaiah and Proverbs knowledge is praised as leading to wisdom.

Perhaps you are on the right track speaking of fruits, for we know the fruits of evil is death.

Cain and Abel story is a example,
Cain thought he was better than what Abel did, CUZ The fruit of the tree of good and evil as poisonous
Cain
thought he was GOOD+er than what Abel did, CUZ The fruit of the tree of good and evil as poisonous
 

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You should seeking God's words as parables.
The fruit of the tree of good and evil is as poisonous as the tooth of serpent out of mouth of serpent.

Our brain looks like a tree,

and The fruit should not be good and evil,
but fruit of life.

Good and evil can only produce The coexistence of good and evil,
but life can only produce life.

That is why Jesus on The cross for all of us.
this is life for life.Death has no authority over Jesus.

He is The life, he is The way, he is The key to life.

Praise the Lord
Praise the God.









:oops:
Cain and Abel story is a example,
Cain thought he was better than what Abel did, CUZ The fruit of the tree of good and evil as poisonous
Cain thought he was GOOD+er than what Abel did,
CUZ The fruit of the tree of good and evil as poisonous

It's like serpent venom, poisoning our brain nerves
 
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Isaiah 65:1-3
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;