Doing a study on the gifts of Prophet/seer

[Depleted]

I am doing a study on the roles gifts and the attributes of a prophet and a seer, from what I gather the two are two sides of the same coin except they seem to have both similar and also different attributes and how God speaks to them. If I am correct the normal role of Prophet will hear his voice and will be used for God to speak through and it isn't uncommon for the prophet to have vision and even dreams from God. A seer appears to be a more rare form of a prophet as I have found little info about them in the bible from what I gather a seer sees things hence the name seer and can play the role of a normal prophet but has certain qualities that makes them unique in the prophetic ministry.

The words open heaven is what I heard someone say when I asked them about a seer I have no idea what that means of how it applies to a seer or why seers were a more rare type of prophet and I have many questions concerning them as well. I have been looking everywhere online for an in depth well written and scripture sound explanation of these things but have not had much luck and I found some books on the subject but it costs money and I have none right now.

I was wondering if anyone had info or understanding on this matter even a a small detail will be helpful

When I do a concept study like this, first I hit Strong's Concordance and study every instance of the word. Then I'd hit Vine's and Nave's for broader concepts. Eventually, in a case like this, I end up reading about the lives of the prophets to see how God picked them, what he had them do, and why. (And, yeah. Prophet and seer are synonyms in my mind.)

I'd have to think twice for that concept study. Looks like one I'd spend a year or two studying.

Nephilim -- much easier. Only used twice. And "rapture" (aka "caught up") only twice as hard since only four references. lol

 

[Blain]

oh how we love the 'prophets', somehow we, speaking of the now, just seem to know
and trust them...

they are our 'heros', our 'future', our past, our gifts from our Father...
they are for us today, for they have shared and partaken of so many MIRACLES and PROPHECYS...
they chose to make the ultimate sacrifice for their FAITH and CALLING -
they died also for us...

I can't really tell if your being sarcastic or not but if you are it's uncalled for we just discussing them and it's part of my bible study it's not about exalting them or anything

 

[Depleted]

True I recall how prophets in the OT would give a word of rebuke to the ppl when they strayed far from God, a pattern I see with God is he always gives a warning before he does anything and often times he used them to do so

Actually, I'm thinking of Samuel, who seemed to spend most of his life studying the scrolls, praying, checking for people hanging around the tabernacle way too much (meaning they need an answer from God), and raising up some kid given to him by his mom (who was one of those people hanging around too much because she needed an answer from God and the boy was her answer, so she gave him to Samuel/God.) If I'm remembering right, prophets only get a word from God to pass along once every decade or so. The rest of their time is spent pursuing God.

 

[Depleted]

Any one who speaks the true word of God is a prophet, being a prophet does not necessitate telling of future events. However that can be a part of it and is a part of it. But mostly future events have already been prophesied except in a personal sense.

Actually, rarely do they do the fortune teller thing. They're more into telling the people how they're slacking or what God wants them to do now.

 

[Depleted]

I can't really tell if your being sarcastic or not but if you are it's uncalled for we just discussing them and it's part of my bible study it's not about exalting them or anything

They do sarcasm like I don't do sarcasm. (They don't do it. I am a sarcastism expert.) And they're encouraging you, not anything remotely connected to "uncalled for." (I never know if that's Mr. or Mrs. Oldethennew, so just easier to call her/him them.)

Always assume kind, caring, and encourage for Mr. and/or Mrs. and it's always accurate.

 

[ember]

I am doing a study on the roles gifts and the attributes of a prophet and a seer, from what I gather the two are two sides of the same coin except they seem to have both similar and also different attributes and how God speaks to them. If I am correct the normal role of Prophet will hear his voice and will be used for God to speak through and it isn't uncommon for the prophet to have vision and even dreams from God. A seer appears to be a more rare form of a prophet as I have found little info about them in the bible from what I gather a seer sees things hence the name seer and can play the role of a normal prophet but has certain qualities that makes them unique in the prophetic ministry.

The words open heaven is what I heard someone say when I asked them about a seer I have no idea what that means of how it applies to a seer or why seers were a more rare type of prophet and I have many questions concerning them as well. I have been looking everywhere online for an in depth well written and scripture sound explanation of these things but have not had much luck and I found some books on the subject but it costs money and I have none right now.

I was wondering if anyone had info or understanding on this matter even a a small detail will be helpful

you might begin with a study on the differences between that office in the OT and how it operates in the NT because they are not the same

the reason we have spiritual gifts, is because God sent the Holy Spirit AFTER Jesus ascended

where so many people go wrong, and we have them here on these forums, is that they think they are a prophet of the Old Testament variety and basically have that "Thus saith the Lord mentality" when the NT plainly says to let the prophets speak 2 or 3 at a time

so, one should really start with NT prophecy and understand that the Holy Spirit indwells ALL believers now and we no longer have to go and seek out a prophet or seer

 

[Stephen63]

A prophet is a speaker of/for God. His words come directly from God through the Holy Spirit. His prophecies can either be futuristic, or current to the times. He is also a seer, which things are seen through dreams or visions.

The prophet's message isn't limited to a certain type of message. For instance, the prophet could be preaching a sermon with it's subject divinely inspired as it should be. That in itself is prophecy, for he is speaking for God. He could speak of a future event, speak a blessing or a curse, give a message of another's calling into a ministry, basically say anything God wants him to say. Because of this, his message is full of God's authority, but nothing of his own. He himself has no personal authority at all, with exception that he is called of God. The prophet can't say what he wants to make a personal message come to pass.

Because of his calling, he is a servant of God, anything done or said to him is done or said to God, for it is His message.

 

[ember]

Here's a decently well adjusted descriptions of the office of NEW TESTAMENT prophet because we DO NOT have OT prophets anymore

..New Testament gift of prophecy

Please be aware that there are prophets galore running around...we have some in this forum...who are self proclaimed prophets and don't make much sense when you get right down to it

we don't get to make up our own ideas about these things...you end up with all kinds of error and false prophecies...which anyone can find if they search online

For example, last year, the entire east coast of the US was to be obliterated due to a meteor landing near some Island and the there were (false) prophets in the US and on the Island of concern (forget the name by now) and they were going on and on and someone even came on the forum here and said God had told him to move his family somewhere safe

Now as this event DID NOT HAPPEN...we are 100% sure these 'prophets' were not told a fig newton by God

the result? people become even MORE skeptical and hard hearted

there is the real, but it seems the fake abounds far more because, let's face it, all the hooplah that goes with stating one is a prophet

further, the Bible is also clear that even if something DOES come to pass it is not credentials for being a prophet

so, it is clear that many many people have the wrong idea of what a prophet is

there is even a so called 'School of the Prophets' in operation in the US

anyway, I don't believe anyone should refer to themself as a prophet...if someone is, it would become quite clear I would think, to most everyone in the circle of influence of that person

some folks also confuse a word of knowledge with prophecy so there is that to consider also

 

[duewell]

I kind of felt like that is what a seer does differently but even so would that be called a vision? I mean watching an event or God speaking to a seer like they are watching t.v. sounds like a vision but then if so does a regular prophet not also receive these?

one is seeing worldly event as it is happening and one is seeing a spiritual event as it happens. some things look as if you were watching a t.v. or through a window/porthole while physically awake. others are given while physically asleep in a dream and upon awakening hear a voice say "now write" you can be physically awake and a kind of filter goes up with a projected image made of light superimposes its self over your normal vision. this could even touch on the times the Holy Spirit is leading you through your environment and the natural world around you to perceive the garden in a new way. like a magic eye poster you will never see the image in the chaotic dots until Christ shows you the order of whats been there all along.

the christian experience goes beyond classification of prophet/seer/saint/ect ect ect. you could have one gift or all the gifts but the gifts work for Gods will not your own. the gifts work through you, not for you. what one calls oneself upon receiving these gifts is irrelevant. what others call you is even more irrelevant. trying to explain it can be even more difficult. torchbearers preserve the word even if they have no fire, they carry the water and have never been wet. they will not drown in a lake of fire. 1 corinthians 2:14

duewell
mark 4 v 11-13
the rainbow connection

 

[RobbyEarl]

Here's a decently well adjusted descriptions of the office of NEW TESTAMENT prophet because we DO NOT have OT prophets anymore

..New Testament gift of prophecy

Please be aware that there are prophets galore running around...we have some in this forum...who are self proclaimed prophets and don't make much sense when you get right down to it

we don't get to make up our own ideas about these things...you end up with all kinds of error and false prophecies...which anyone can find if they search online

For example, last year, the entire east coast of the US was to be obliterated due to a meteor landing near some Island and the there were (false) prophets in the US and on the Island of concern (forget the name by now) and they were going on and on and someone even came on the forum here and said God had told him to move his family somewhere safe

Now as this event DID NOT HAPPEN...we are 100% sure these 'prophets' were not told a fig newton by God

the result? people become even MORE skeptical and hard hearted

there is the real, but it seems the fake abounds far more because, let's face it, all the hooplah that goes with stating one is a prophet

further, the Bible is also clear that even if something DOES come to pass it is not credentials for being a prophet

so, it is clear that many many people have the wrong idea of what a prophet is

there is even a so called 'School of the Prophets' in operation in the US

anyway, I don't believe anyone should refer to themself as a prophet...if someone is, it would become quite clear I would think, to most everyone in the circle of influence of that person

some folks also confuse a word of knowledge with prophecy so there is that to consider also

Hmmm seems to me that the OT prophets are still relevant?

 

[ember]

Hmmm seems to me that the OT prophets are still relevant?

great...we'll just blot out what the NT says then, shall we?

obviously I have not said anything about the OT prophets being obsolete

obviously, I am posting about those who think they ARE an OT prophet

so, hmmmm and whatever

 

[RobbyEarl]

great...we'll just blot out what the NT says then, shall we?

obviously I have not said anything about the OT prophets being obsolete

obviously, I am posting about those who think they ARE an OT prophet

so, hmmmm and whatever

God bless you I meant no harm, but there are NT prophets as it is a gift of the Holy Spirit is it not?

 

[ember]

God bless you I meant no harm, but there are NT prophets as it is a gift of the Holy Spirit is it not?

right....other than your snarky responses in the Joyce Meyers thread...I tend to take into account what people say across the board and not just isolated threads and you can do the same for me

are you asking ? are you current with the NT? that link should suffice

 

[RobbyEarl]

right....other than your snarky responses in the Joyce Meyers thread...I tend to take into account what people say across the board and not just isolated threads and you can do the same for me

are you asking ? are you current with the NT? that link should suffice

If you love psychology then dream on.

 

[Stephen63]

Here's a decently well adjusted descriptions of the office of NEW TESTAMENT prophet because we DO NOT have OT prophets anymore

..New Testament gift of prophecy

Please be aware that there are prophets galore running around...we have some in this forum...who are self proclaimed prophets and don't make much sense when you get right down to it

we don't get to make up our own ideas about these things...you end up with all kinds of error and false prophecies...which anyone can find if they search online

For example, last year, the entire east coast of the US was to be obliterated due to a meteor landing near some Island and the there were (false) prophets in the US and on the Island of concern (forget the name by now) and they were going on and on and someone even came on the forum here and said God had told him to move his family somewhere safe

Now as this event DID NOT HAPPEN...we are 100% sure these 'prophets' were not told a fig newton by God

the result? people become even MORE skeptical and hard hearted

there is the real, but it seems the fake abounds far more because, let's face it, all the hooplah that goes with stating one is a prophet

further, the Bible is also clear that even if something DOES come to pass it is not credentials for being a prophet

so, it is clear that many many people have the wrong idea of what a prophet is

there is even a so called 'School of the Prophets' in operation in the US

anyway, I don't believe anyone should refer to themself as a prophet...if someone is, it would become quite clear I would think, to most everyone in the circle of influence of that person

some folks also confuse a word of knowledge with prophecy so there is that to consider also

There you have it..... there are many people out there that feels the same way she does. I know..... I used to be one of them. When I was first called into the ministry, I felt this way about prophecy & tongues..... & me a Pentecostal preacher.....

I wanted nothing to do with prophecy because of all the so-called "ministries" on TV constantly having some kind of prophecy conference. Then there was the people in church that was so hung up on tongues to the point that's all they wanted. I was sick of it.

But, as I got older, & finally a little wiser, I began to look at these problems in the modern church differently. Those false prophets of the TV church & the ministers that wanted to be like them are mostly responsible for destroying faith in the ministry of prophecy, & those in the church who believed them were responsible for destroying faith in the gift of tongues.

Ignorance, pure & simple. Their followers are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Tim. 3:7

The modern church as a whole cannot see that this is a master plan to destroy christians thru foolish teaching & ignorance. The ones that follow them are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. Those that dislike the ministries of the Spirit as a result of the reverse-psychology of these false prophets/teachers have been manipulated by their "ministries" to the point they don't believe what is written in their own Bibles!

Those of you that believe the majority of the gifts are gone, wasn't it easy to accept such teaching AFTER seeing the elite religious fanatics make a mockery of them? Don't you think it's ironic that the ONE GIFT spoken of by the prophet Joel, The ONE GIFT Peter confirmed in his first sermon quoting Joel, the ONE GIFT that was promised to be manifested throughout the entire church, sons, daughters, young men,old men, male & female servants, EVERYONE..... is one of the gifts the true church no longer believes in or wants? WHO has the ability to "go into all the world" without the gift of Speaking For God?

Since God thought it necessary for every believer to exercise this gift as the Holy Spirit leads them, I can only conclude that this gift is so important, speaking for God on His behalf, that Satan engineered a plan to stop it. Take a look around..... Who still believes it? Who is walking in this gift correctly? Who is scared of it? Isn't it just easier to believe cessationism?

I cannot help nor stop those that have put a bad taste in your mouth. But as a servant of the Lord who has experienced this gift myself, I must remind you of the famous 3 words Jesus used to conquer the devil in the wilderness..... IT...IS...WRITTEN! When we quit believing in what is written, we will find ourselves on the wrong side of the Great Falling Away fulfilling what else..... a prophecy.

 

[ember]

There you have it..... there are many people out there that feels the same way she does. I know..... I used to be one of them. When I was first called into the ministry, I felt this way about prophecy & tongues..... & me a Pentecostal preacher.....

I wanted nothing to do with prophecy because of all the so-called "ministries" on TV constantly having some kind of prophecy conference. Then there was the people in church that was so hung up on tongues to the point that's all they wanted. I was sick of it.

But, as I got older, & finally a little wiser, I began to look at these problems in the modern church differently. Those false prophets of the TV church & the ministers that wanted to be like them are mostly responsible for destroying faith in the ministry of prophecy, & those in the church who believed them were responsible for destroying faith in the gift of tongues.

Ignorance, pure & simple. Their followers are "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2 Tim. 3:7

The modern church as a whole cannot see that this is a master plan to destroy christians thru foolish teaching & ignorance. The ones that follow them are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. Those that dislike the ministries of the Spirit as a result of the reverse-psychology of these false prophets/teachers have been manipulated by their "ministries" to the point they don't believe what is written in their own Bibles!

Those of you that believe the majority of the gifts are gone, wasn't it easy to accept such teaching AFTER seeing the elite religious fanatics make a mockery of them? Don't you think it's ironic that the ONE GIFT spoken of by the prophet Joel, The ONE GIFT Peter confirmed in his first sermon quoting Joel, the ONE GIFT that was promised to be manifested throughout the entire church, sons, daughters, young men,old men, male & female servants, EVERYONE..... is one of the gifts the true church no longer believes in or wants? WHO has the ability to "go into all the world" without the gift of Speaking For God?

Since God thought it necessary for every believer to exercise this gift as the Holy Spirit leads them, I can only conclude that this gift is so important, speaking for God on His behalf, that Satan engineered a plan to stop it. Take a look around..... Who still believes it? Who is walking in this gift correctly? Who is scared of it? Isn't it just easier to believe cessationism?

I cannot help nor stop those that have put a bad taste in your mouth. But as a servant of the Lord who has experienced this gift myself, I must remind you of the famous 3 words Jesus used to conquer the devil in the wilderness..... IT...IS...WRITTEN! When we quit believing in what is written, we will find ourselves on the wrong side of the Great Falling Away fulfilling what else..... a prophecy.

I speak in tongues myself...and interpret often enough...so what are you talking about?

I doubt you are walking correctly if the way you responded to my post is an indication of your comprehension

Paul said to desire to prophecy NOT so that everyone could have visions and power and authority over other believers but because the gift of prophecy is NOT THE SAME as it was in the OT

see, you are calling yourself a servant of the Lord...why? are we not serving the Lord in whatever capacity He sees fit to put us in?

serving the Lord seems to sound important, but many serve the Lord and don't brag about it...I'm not saying you are bragging either so don't think that...I am saying that you don't have to be anyone the world thinks is important in order to serve God....He looks on the heart...not the certificate and He is not swayed by the influence of praise of people

scared?I fear for those who are ignorant of what the NT gift actually is and follow after visions and dreams instead of the Lord

Being Pentecostal has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THE WHO GOD GIVES SPIRITUAL GIFTS TO

Pentecostals have simply coined a name after the day of Pentecost...they DID NOT invent it

people need discernment...if you don't have discernment first, you have no right prophesying...people prophesy out of their own spirits all day long which is one reason there is so much confusion

we should never ever put any gift above the ONE who gives them

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

God help us.

 

[Ariel82]

Any update on your study Blain?

 

[Depleted]

Blain, you probably know this, but I'm going to say it anyway. Notice how many versions of what a prophet is showed up in answer to your request for help studying the office? There is no way of putting it all together as one definitive answer. That's exactly why it is good to do an in-depth study on your own. Otherwise you spend your life trying to cram all of our maybe-true-may-not-be-true concepts into your mind and will remain perplexed. This site is a landmine field of opinions bursting to come up. BUT it's also good for learning how to study on your own.

Once you study on your own, decide if you are or aren't. (Yeah, I know why you're studying this. I don't know if you are or aren't, but I see the appeal for you to find out.) After you study and figure out your answer -- whether you are or aren't -- I highly recommend finding a church you can agree with then. If you settle for a church that you can't agree with, you'll spend too much of your life trying to convince people who just don't want to change their minds about your answer, instead of simply using your answer as needed in the church.

 

[ember]

God help us.

this topic is sure to stir up controversy

there are so many self proclaimed prophet types galloping around these days ... and this forum has had a good number that have all been eventually banned

the NT prophet is not an OT prophet and that seems to be the stumbling point

and frankly, yes, God help us indeed, for listening to false prophets and self proclaimed prophets

it's about useless to try and offer scripture to those who think the office of prophet is like Isaiah

there have been some on here that have literally cursed anyone who has said they are not a prophet

I'm not sure why you would write God help us...if someone studies the topic, and takes a look at what way too many people think a prophet is, it becomes clear that it's a major source of error

I knew that full well even responding in this thread