Domenic: This is what I believe about the tree in the garden.

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ok very well so you make the claim that humanity dies from being infected with animal DNA. You do know that Paul said that we die from sin entering the world right? In Ezekiel it says that the soul that sins it will die. The reason we die is because the world broke from the transgression of Adam. romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned. Under your theory why would Christ need to come and die for us on a cross? in that regard it is more of a genetic issue than a sin issue no?
 

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Thank you for this. But, how does it explain Genesis to you? That was the question.
Genesis 3:15 is simply a word picture that can be understood by people down the ages.

Genesis 3:15 is saying that Eve followed satan and if you want to say Eve had sex with satan then by extrapolation you are saying those of us who follow God have had sex with God.

I have never heard such nonsense, it is heresy and it should not be allowed on this or other Christian forums.
 
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Genesis 3:15 is simply a word picture that can be understood by people down the ages.

Genesis 3:15 is saying that Eve followed satan and if you want to say Eve had sex with satan then by extrapolation you are saying those of us who follow God have had sex with God.
I have never heard such nonsense, it is heresy and it should not be allowed on this or other Christian forums.
You don't understand Genesis 3"15 I'm saying Eve had sex with an animal type angel creature...I have never indacated we had sex with God. You need to do a major study of Genesis. Just because you do not understand it, does not mean it is nonsense. This scripture is the apex of the issus betwine God, Satan, Jesus, and the presant sitution of the human family.
If you don't learn what this scripture is about, you will never know what is going on, or what to expect.
 
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ok very well so you make the claim that humanity dies from being infected with animal DNA. You do know that Paul said that we die from sin entering the world right? In Ezekiel it says that the soul that sins it will die. The reason we die is because the world broke from the transgression of Adam. romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned. Under your theory why would Christ need to come and die for us on a cross? in that regard it is more of a genetic issue than a sin issue no?
Do you understand the word sin? It means, "Falling short of the mark."
 

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You don't understand Genesis 3"15 I'm saying Eve had sex with an animal type angel creature...I have never indacated we had sex with God. You need to do a major study of Genesis. Just because you do not understand it, does not mean it is nonsense. This scripture is the apex of the issus betwine God, Satan, Jesus, and the presant sitution of the human family.
If you don't learn what this scripture is about, you will never know what is going on, or what to expect.
We must keep to scripture and in the Bible we are told that God is spirit and so is satan who is "the prince of the power of the air" and "the spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience."

Sex is not involved and anything that is not scriptural is heresy.
 
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Eating from the tree literal?
The persons in the new testament accepted Genesis as a literal story. Never when it is quoted it is mentioned that the story is symbolic. And never is mentioned that Satan had sex with eve. The new testament would surely have mentioned it. Why? Because the Bible exposes sin, and not hide it. It has hidden wisdom for sure 1 Cor 2:7, Col 2:3 but that is about the good news, and not about how sin came into the world

This are the Bible verses (in KJV):
Gen 2:16,17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:1-7 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food,and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons

Gen 3:14-16 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

2 Cor11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

1 Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God

Rev 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


Condemning Satan
Genesis 3: 15 God is condemning Satan. God does not use symbolic talk when h is condemning anybody. n Genesis 3” 15 God talks about Satan’s seed, and the seed of Jesus. Satan is an angel. Angels do not have seed. Think about this…to have seed Satan would have had to be human, or animal. God told the angels to serve man. They refused.
That is not true. It's a condemning prophecy that can have symbolic talk like boiling pot Jer 1:13,14 and a rod Isaiah 14:28-30 The fallen angels are cast down because of this:
Jes 14:12-14 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

And this is a picture of the seed of Satan and the Seed of the woman.
Rev 12:1-11And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

It is about Satan (in his followers) will destroy Jesus. Because Satan himself did not take the hammer, to say so, but for sure his followers did.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

And Jesus did destroy Satan by dying on the cross.
Joh 19:28-30 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
1 Cor 15:21-22For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Sex between Eve and fallen angel?
God will always force his will on those who refuse, and punish at the same time. God cast those angels who revolted down to earth in a form lower than man, and above the animals. Angels in this form had seed that could mix with human. God warned Adam not to take of that tree (The animal tree), but only of the human tree. Satan had sex with Eve to destroy the Human relationship with God, so the angels would not have to serve man…
Satan had no sex with Eve. Nor had his seed sex with Eve. But there is a verse that explains that fallen angels had sex, or came in unto the woman.
Gen 6:4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The sons of God are in the old testament angels/fallen angels Job1:6​

As I said in the bible is no sex between Eve and Satan. But the the seed of Satan for sure has tried to destroy human race, and the birth and life of Jesus. So we see every time that Satan tries to destroy Eve's seed by dragging them into sin, and by trying to destroy salvation in Jesus, Seed of Eve.

Symbols
We all have a family tree. We a have a racial tree. We are part of the human family tree.
Animals are of the animal tree.
Trees are used throughout the scriptures in only a symbolic way.
The tree in the Garden was only symbolic.
The tree is literal and symbolic. So is the Last Supper. We eat literal wine and bread, but symbolic His flesh and blood. Adam and Eve eat literal from the tree, but symbolic it is eating knowledge.

Not all trees are symbolic in the Bible. Gen. 18:4 2 Kings 16:4 But a lot of trees mentioned in the Bible have indeed a symbolic meaning. The symbols of the tree are: knowledge, life, person bearing fruit or not, and kingdoms and kings.
 

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Just to mention that angels can be both earthly and heavenly messengers.

"Angel a word signifying, both in the Hebrew and Greek, a "messenger," and hence employed to denote any agent God sends forth to execute his purposes. It is used of an ordinary messenger ( Job 1:14 : 1 Samuel 11:3 ; Luke 7:24 ; 9:52 ), of prophets ( Isaiah 42:19 ; Haggai 1:13 ), of priests ( Malachi 2:7 ), and ministers of the New Testament ( Revelation 1:20 ).

It is also applied to such impersonal agents as the pestilence ( 2 Samuel 24:16 2 Samuel 24:17 ; 2 Kings 19:35 ), the wind ( Psalms 104:4 ).

But its distinctive application is to certain heavenly intelligences whom God employs in carrying on his government of the world. The name does not denote their nature but their office as messengers.

The appearances to Abraham at Mamre ( Genesis 18:2 Genesis 18:22 . Comp 19:1 ), to Jacob at Peniel ( Genesis 32:24 Genesis 32:30 ), to Joshua at Gilgal ( Joshua 5:13 Joshua 5:15 ), of the Angel of the Lord, were doubtless manifestations of the Divine presence, "foreshadowings of the incarnation," revelations before the "fulness of the time" of the Son of God."

Angel - Easton's Bible Dictionary Online

Just to add that if satan is a fallen angel, he is certainly not a messenger from God.
 
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Sex between Eve and fallen angel?
Satan had no sex with Eve. Nor had his seed sex with Eve. But there is a verse that explains that fallen angels had sex, or came in unto the woman.
Gen 6:4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The sons of God are in the old testament angels/fallen angels Job1:6

As I said in the bible is no sex between Eve and Satan. But the the seed of Satan for sure has tried to destroy human race, and the birth and life of Jesus. So we see every time that Satan tries to destroy Eve's seed by dragging them into sin, and by trying to destroy salvation in Jesus, Seed of Eve.

Symbols

The tree is literal and symbolic. So is the Last Supper. We eat literal wine and bread, but symbolic His flesh and blood. Adam and Eve eat literal from the tree, but symbolic it is eating knowledge.

Not all trees are symbolic in the Bible. Gen. 18:4 2 Kings 16:4 But a lot of trees mentioned in the Bible have indeed a symbolic meaning. The symbols of the tree are: knowledge, life, person bearing fruit or not, and kingdoms and kings.
These are the "sons of God." The sons of men are heathens.

Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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When the "sons of God" married the "daughters of men" the Israelites were marrying into heathen tribes and one of the concerns of Moses and the Lord was to keep the Israelites untainted by outside religions.

Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 
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Do you understand the word sin? It means, "Falling short of the mark."
Yes falling short of the mark but what you I am getting out of your theory is that mankind dies because their DNA is twisted not so much because of sin. Please expound more on what you mean and please use plain terms I find flowery language can be ever the detriment to communication.
 
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PS,

I’m not saying people who believe Jesus and God are the same person, are not true Christians, or that they are stupid. I am saying, Figuring out what the scriptures are saying is not rocket stuff. What I said about events, is clear to me.

I’m going to give an example using, Jesus and God being the same person. Reason this out with me;
Lets pretend were each one of the twelve guys who decided to follow Jesus, because we believe he is the Messiah.
Those twelve are not retarded people. They didn’t escape from some nut house.
These are sane normal guys. They left everything they had to follow Jesus. Pretend it’s the first day their with him. They been walking, and talking all day.

Jesus has told them a number of things.
Jesus, “The father and I are one.”
Apostil one, “Are you saying you and God are the same person?”
Jesus, “Yes.”
Apostil two, “You told me The father is greater than you? Are you saying your greater than yourself?”
Jesus, “Well, yes.”
Apostil three, “You told me not to pray to you, but to the father through you. Are you saying, ‘Don’t pray to me, but pray to me through me?“
Jesus, “Yeah.


The sun is going down, so they camp by some rocks. The twelve guys are cooking a chicken they found walking along the road. Jesus is about twenty feet away near this big boulder praying.
The twelve guys start talking about the things that have been said.
Apostil 7 ask, “Who’s he praying to, himself?”
Apostil 5 says, “ He told me the father sent him? Did he mean he sent himself?

I could go on 24/7 with this, but I don’t see a need to. Do you think these twelve guys might start thinking their following some kind of nut?

Apostil 12 ask Jesus, “ When you say you and the father are one. Are you saying you and him are the same person, or are you saying, you and the father think the same, have the same goal, that kind of same?”

I believe in God. I believe in his son, my Lord Jesus, and I believe in Gods written word. But, If I was one of those twelve, and the conversation went as that above, I say something like, “Oh I think I left the gas on the stove. I’m going home and check it out.” My little butt would be hot footing it down the road, and I’d bet all the fish I could ketch for the next two year the other eleven would be right behind me.
 
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I'd say figuring out the scriptures can be harder than physics at many points.
 
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After you get your Masters, you might not think that way.
Idk having a jackwagon 77 year old talk to me is really opening the light up. But the point of getting the masters degree is to study with other people and gain knowledge not to get a piece of paper. secondly it really can be when it comes down to some of the tertiary doctrines and other issues where you have to constantly keep shaping your belief based on 100 scriptures while simultaneously holding them within your mind and trying to add other reasonings and thoughts on them. Is there a reason you're wanting to be rude? I can be rude too ^_^
 

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PS,

I’m not saying people who believe Jesus and God are the same person, are not true Christians, or that they are stupid. I am saying, Figuring out what the scriptures are saying is not rocket stuff. What I said about events, is clear to me.

I’m going to give an example using, Jesus and God being the same person. Reason this out with me;
Lets pretend were each one of the twelve guys who decided to follow Jesus, because we believe he is the Messiah.
Those twelve are not retarded people. They didn’t escape from some nut house.
These are sane normal guys. They left everything they had to follow Jesus. Pretend it’s the first day their with him. They been walking, and talking all day.

Jesus has told them a number of things.
Jesus, “The father and I are one.”
Apostil one, “Are you saying you and God are the same person?”
Jesus, “Yes.”
Apostil two, “You told me The father is greater than you? Are you saying your greater than yourself?”
Jesus, “Well, yes.”
Apostil three, “You told me not to pray to you, but to the father through you. Are you saying, ‘Don’t pray to me, but pray to me through me?“
Jesus, “Yeah.


The sun is going down, so they camp by some rocks. The twelve guys are cooking a chicken they found walking along the road. Jesus is about twenty feet away near this big boulder praying.
The twelve guys start talking about the things that have been said.
Apostil 7 ask, “Who’s he praying to, himself?”
Apostil 5 says, “ He told me the father sent him? Did he mean he sent himself?

I could go on 24/7 with this, but I don’t see a need to. Do you think these twelve guys might start thinking their following some kind of nut?

Apostil 12 ask Jesus, “ When you say you and the father are one. Are you saying you and him are the same person, or are you saying, you and the father think the same, have the same goal, that kind of same?”

I believe in God. I believe in his son, my Lord Jesus, and I believe in Gods written word. But, If I was one of those twelve, and the conversation went as that above, I say something like, “Oh I think I left the gas on the stove. I’m going home and check it out.” My little butt would be hot footing it down the road, and I’d bet all the fish I could ketch for the next two year the other eleven would be right behind me.
This site explains it better than I can.

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