Unbelievable.. So you are declaring that Balaam did not believe in the LORD when He heard from the LORD and said what the LORD said to say...... You call him a pagan with absolutely NO biblical evidence to back such a false claim up... You say He did not believe in the LORD? How could he NOT believe in the LORD when the LORD spoke to Him? And you expect people to take your bashing of the KJV to be unauthorative because you alleged that some of the translators on it where homosexuals, when they where never confirmed as Homosexuals.. While you promote the NIV where a two of it's translators where confirmed as Homosexuals....
I personally have never used the argument that the NIV is faulty because some of the translators where sexual deviants.. I reject the NIV because it declares satan and Jesus to be the same..
First the KJV in Isaiah 14 and in Revelation 22 clearly give satan and Jesus different titles.. satan is the son of the morning and Jesus is the Morning Star..
KJV
Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
KJV
Revelation 22:16
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
But the NIV declares both Jesus and satan to be the Morning star..
NIV
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
NIV
Revelation 22:16
16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
If people want to believe in a book that declares satan and Jesus to be the same person then so be it.. But i will never acknowledge such a book to be the Word of God..
I personally have never used the argument that the NIV is faulty because some of the translators where sexual deviants.. I reject the NIV because it declares satan and Jesus to be the same..
First the KJV in Isaiah 14 and in Revelation 22 clearly give satan and Jesus different titles.. satan is the son of the morning and Jesus is the Morning Star..
KJV
Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
KJV
Revelation 22:16
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
But the NIV declares both Jesus and satan to be the Morning star..
NIV
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
NIV
Revelation 22:16
16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
If people want to believe in a book that declares satan and Jesus to be the same person then so be it.. But i will never acknowledge such a book to be the Word of God..
Additionally, God used Caiaphas, a Christ-hating Jew, to prophesy concerning Jesus' substitutionary atonement, so, yes, God can use non-believers to prophesy (John 11:51).
Regarding Isaiah 14:12, the Hebrew word used for "morning star" is validly translated "morning star".
h1966. הֵילֵל hêlêl; from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star: — lucifer.
AV (1) - Lucifer 1; Lucifer = "light-bearer"
shining one, morning star, Lucifer of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)
(TWOT) 'Helel' describing the king of Babylon
Lucifer means "light-bearer" in Latin. The morning star brings light, so the two are related, but since helel indicates morning-star, it is appropriate.
The word "Lucifer" came from the Latin Vulgate. Apparently the KJV translators preferred this word, however it is from the "wicked Roman Catholic Bible" in the minds of some KJVers
Here are some notes in regards to the related verses:
14:12–15 Although it has been common in Christian literature to see this passage as a description of the fall of Satan (cf. Luke 10:18; Rev 12:9), the passage itself argues for a continued reference to creaturely pride. However, Satan is a creature, and application of these descriptions to him is not inappropriate.
14:12 fallen from heaven. A Canaanite myth that speaks of one of the lesser gods attempting to sit on Baal’s throne may be the background for this stanza. morning star. The Hebrew is translated “Lucifer” in the Latin Vulgate, which was carried over into many early English translations. Jesus is the true Morning Star (Rev 22:16; cf. Num 24:17; 2 Pet 1:19). Isaiah 14:12
Obviously, modern translators are not claiming that Jesus is Satan, or that Satan is Jesus. This is more KJV rhetoric. Perhaps they simply wanted to be more precise than the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate rendering of the word. Since the Hebrew word means morning-star, that is what they used.
If you can prove that hêlêl does not mean morning-star in Hebrew, then you may have a point. If you can't prove that, then you have no case. It isn't the job of the translators to adhere to the Latin Vulgate.
By the way, if it was translated "light bringer" rather than Lucifer, which is the meaning of the word Lucifer, that would be objectionable because Christ was the light bringer in one sense..he was the true Light. So, if I was a Latin speaker, and called Jesus Lucifer, in one sense that would be true because Jesus is the true Light, and brought true light to humanity.
Personally I use the word Satan to talk about the evil one, because that is what he is....the adversary of mankind, God and believers.
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