Dr. Charles Stanley

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MsLimpet

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A denominational teaching? The bible teaches it.

Philippians 1:6
6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

John 10:28-29
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

"No one" includes yourself, for you are someone.
I see no denominational teaching here:
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
 
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The heart is called the heart
The lungs are called the lungs
The liver is called the liver
and yes there is even the appendix (which we do not know the function, last I heard)

But they are all part of the body.

Do not try to remove a part of the body (of Christ) just because it is not called by the name of your part, or else you may find yourself missing a vital part.
 
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The heart is called the heart
The lungs are called the lungs
The liver is called the liver
and yes there is even the appendix (which we do not know the function, last I heard)

But they are all part of the body.

Do not try to remove a part of the body (of Christ) just because it is not called by the name of your part, or else you may find yourself missing a vital part.
Matthew 16:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The truth that Jesus is the Son of the living God is the most fundamental and basic of all truths pertaining to man's redemption.

Ephesians 4:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It is not quite what you seem to be implying:




I absolutely believe that the Spiritual Immersion in to the Spiritual Body of our Messiah the LORD Jesus Christ, is quite LITERAL, and NOT just symbolism; and without it you are not saved.
then we agree 100 %

So I am not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

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Matthew 16:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The truth that Jesus is the Son of the living God is the most fundamental and basic of all truths pertaining to man's redemption.

Ephesians 4:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.
Yes, I agree depending on what you are suggesting by the "upon this rock I will build my church" comment. Jesus is the rock and not Peter.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the apostles (except for Saul/Paul) were not baptized. The closest thing that I have found is when Jesus washed their feet. I do believe what you said. I believe that we should be moved to be baptized in water but it is the baptism in the Spirit that saves us.

I am not sure why everyone who hears "baptized in the spirit" think we deny anyone should be water baptized., this is so far from the truth.

we just refuse to replace spiritual baptism (a work of God) with water baptism ( a work of men) when it comes to eternal life.

Only God has the power to baptize us into christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I see no denominational teaching here:
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
No. do I. I see biblical truth.

hilippians 1:6
6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God,22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

John 10:28-29
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”




a truth I might add, you seem to deny!
 
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Yes, I agree depending on what you are suggesting by the "upon this rock I will build my church" comment. Jesus is the rock and not Peter.
The church was to be built on the truth confessed by Peter and proved by the resurrection that Jesus is the Son of God. Peter was to bear and use the keys to this kingdom of heaven. This settles beyond the possibility of a doubt that the kingdom was set up in the lifetime of Peter.

To use the keys was to open the door or give the terms of entrance into the kingdom of God. Did he give the keys of the kingdom to Peter thousands of years before it was set up? When did Peter open the door of the kingdom of heaven and direct men into it? People who followed the direction of Peter when he told them what to do to be saved were introduced into the kingdom of heaven, or Jesus was mistaken?
 

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The church was to be built on the truth confessed by Peter and proved by the resurrection that Jesus is the Son of God. Peter was to bear and use the keys to this kingdom of heaven. This settles beyond the possibility of a doubt that the kingdom was set up in the lifetime of Peter.

To use the keys was to open the door or give the terms of entrance into the kingdom of God. Did he give the keys of the kingdom to Peter thousands of years before it was set up? When did Peter open the door of the kingdom of heaven and direct men into it? People who followed the direction of Peter when he told them what to do to be saved were introduced into the kingdom of heaven, or Jesus was mistaken?
Matt 21:43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
 
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Matt 21:43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
"The stone" in this quotation refers to Christ. (Psalm 118:22-25.) It is a figure taken from the choosing of stones for a building. (Dan. 2:45; Acts 4:11; Eph.2:20; 1 Pet. 2:7.) The husbandmen have become the builders of the spiritual temple; they refuse to lay a foundation on faith in Christ; they reject him, and hope to go on in their work without them. "The head of the corner," the cornerstone, is the principal one in the foundation.


Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you.—This is one of the clearest prophecies of the change of covenant to be found in any of the records of the gospel. The kingdom of God, the church, the vineyard, the cornerstone, all these represent the idea of the gospel economy. It should be taken from the Jews, who so persistently rejected Jesus and was to be given to the Gentiles who would bring "forth the fruits thereof." The Jews were God's chosen people; because they had all the advantages and rejected them, these advantages are to be given to the Gentiles.The Gentiles become the chosen people of God. (1 Pet. 2:4-10.)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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"The stone" in this quotation refers to Christ. (Psalm 118:22-25.) It is a figure taken from the choosing of stones for a building. (Dan. 2:45; Acts 4:11; Eph.2:20; 1 Pet. 2:7.) The husbandmen have become the builders of the spiritual temple; they refuse to lay a foundation on faith in Christ; they reject him, and hope to go on in their work without them. "The head of the corner," the cornerstone, is the principal one in the foundation.


Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you.—This is one of the clearest prophecies of the change of covenant to be found in any of the records of the gospel. The kingdom of God, the church, the vineyard, the cornerstone, all these represent the idea of the gospel economy. It should be taken from the Jews, who so persistently rejected Jesus and was to be given to the Gentiles who would bring "forth the fruits thereof." The Jews were God's chosen people; because they had all the advantages and rejected them, these advantages are to be given to the Gentiles.The Gentiles become the chosen people of God. (1 Pet. 2:4-10.)

yet salvation and the way to heaven never changed.

and the gentiles will fall away also. and israel will again repent, and be given the honor of showing Gods word to the world again, only this time they will get it right (romans 11 with many OT prophesies)
 
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yet salvation and the way to heaven never changed.

and the gentiles will fall away also. and israel will again repent, and be given the honor of showing Gods word to the world again, only this time they will get it right (romans 11 with many OT prophesies)
How do you mean the "way to heaven never changed?" Scripture would help..

Do you live by the OT laws?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How do you mean the "way to heaven never changed?" Scripture would help..

Do you live by the OT laws?
Why would I live by OT laws? They never saved anyone. David understood this. Paul spoke about it often, And Hebrews confirms it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As I asked, scripture would help.
Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us

Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Galatians 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Hebrews 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Rom 3:20 - 24..Therfore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified. For by the law is knowledge of sin. but now the rightiousness of God apart from the law is revealed being witnessed by the law and the prophets even the rightiousness of God through faith in Christ to all on on all who believe for their is no difference. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. being justified freely by the grace of God through the redemption in Christ Jesus

Romans 4 : 1 - 8 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
 
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Thank you for this thread.
 
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BradC

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In the example of Saul, on the road to Damascus, Saul sees a bright light. He asks, “Who are You, Lord?” The response is, “I am Jesus, Whom you are persecuting.” Saul then says, “Lord, what would You have me to do?” He is told, “Go into the city and you will be told there what to do.” God begins to prepare His man Ananias to teach Saul. He tells Ananias, “Go to Saul of Tarsus. He is in a house, and he is praying. He has seen you coming in a vision.”


After Saul was presented with that bright light, and after having scales on his eyes so that he could not see, he recognized that he had been doing wrong, so don’t you know that he definitely was saying a “sinner’s prayer”? Yet, Paul still was told, “Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” You will not find the sinner’s prayer in the Bible, and the only time we find someone praying prior to salvation, he still had to do what God said to do to be saved. That is conclusive evidence to show that the sinner’s prayer is not a legitimate step in the plan of salvation.
Here is 'a' sinner's prayer that can't be overlooked.

Luke 18:13,14 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, 'God be merciful to me a sinner'.

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I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 
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Here is 'a' sinner's prayer that can't be overlooked.

Luke 18:13,14 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, 'God be merciful to me a sinner'.

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I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The sinner’s prayer usually goes something like this:

“Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I do now receive him as my Lord and personal Savior. I promise to serve you to the best of my ability. Please save me. In Jesus’ name, Amen.”
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The sinner’s prayer usually goes something like this:

“Heavenly Father, I know that I am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell. I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I do now receive him as my Lord and personal Savior. I promise to serve you to the best of my ability. Please save me. In Jesus’ name, Amen.”
yeah they USUALLY do.

But that does not mean they ALWAYS DO.

Again, Who would make a promise to God they could not keep? This person has not repented. Because he has not realized that he can not serve God with ALL HIS ABILTY, because he can do NOTHING OF HIS ABILITY.