DRINKING AND THE SCRIPTURES
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J
The Greek word for wine is oinos for both fermented and unfermented wine. As far as containers being broken, it is talking about the condition of the container which is old that is why it broke. The men made fun of the apostles saying new wine because they knew that the apostles only drank new wine, grapejuice. I am not here to argue the word, no need to. As christians we are not to live like people of the world. God tells us not to be partakers with the people of the world, Ephesians 5:7.
I totally agree and have caught flak from just posting 5 or 6 scriptures in context as you have seen and they are rejected and God/Jesus is called liars and or the word of God in those particular verses are not inspired....one person in ignorance called Jesus a hypocrite for the things he said in context...gonna be smoking hot one day for all who say the word of God is a lie!
J
Wow, that is your reasoning, it was for recreation? You mean like today in our time, at ball games, parties, clubs, bars and how many arrest for DWIs, accidents, rapes, due to alcohol? I notice that all you christians that are in favor of drinking alcohol have ignored the fact that the word wine in the greek is the same for unfermented and fermented grapejuice. So just don't entertain the fact that Jesus made grapejuice because if you realize the truth you may have to give your alcohol.
We are not the one who is rejecting the truth as given, and we are not advocating getting drunk and doing the things that you have listed... go study fruit of the vine, wine and string drink and see if they are the same words in the original languages as they are even translated differently! Grow Up and put some skin on and quite arguing a mute point....read OP again slowly and pay attention to key words!
J
I just understand what the scripture says and I am trying to help you understand. We are brothers in more ways than you know. The name calling does not bother me, I understand that we all don't have the same amount of light. I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost and I am seeking knowledge from His Word through the power of the Holy Spirit so if that makes me a heretic so be it.
L
Proverbs 20:1 KJV
(1) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
1 Timothy 5:23 KJV
(23) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Would Paul give advice that goes against scripture?
Isaiah 65:8 KJV
(8) Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
Paul would not have taught anything against scripture. According to these texts new wine is OK, fermented wine is not.
Matthew 5:17 KJV
(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Would Jesus have contradicted Himself and gone against His own teaching by making alcohol? To be true to scripture then the Bible teaches against drinking alcohol. The Bible is interpreted by the Bible not our opinion.
(1) Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
1 Timothy 5:23 KJV
(23) Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Would Paul give advice that goes against scripture?
Isaiah 65:8 KJV
(8) Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
Paul would not have taught anything against scripture. According to these texts new wine is OK, fermented wine is not.
Matthew 5:17 KJV
(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Would Jesus have contradicted Himself and gone against His own teaching by making alcohol? To be true to scripture then the Bible teaches against drinking alcohol. The Bible is interpreted by the Bible not our opinion.
J
NEW WINE FROM HEAVEN
www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/63/t/the-christian-and-alcohol.aspx
Maybe these pastors can shed more light on the subject of wine. God bless.
www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/63/t/the-christian-and-alcohol.aspx
Maybe these pastors can shed more light on the subject of wine. God bless.
P
Respond to post 100 and point out the error, since you say there is one. Nowhere does it say Jesus made grapejuice. Those are your words and they aren't in the bible.
No you don't. Dcon and I have both quoted bible verses to you and you twist and/or reject them.
That is as big a lie as I have read here.
No you don't. Dcon and I have both quoted bible verses to you and you twist and/or reject them.
That is as big a lie as I have read here.
For John the Baptist has come neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, He has a demon. The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, Behold, a man, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners. (Luke 7.33 – 34)
The above passage declares quite plainly that John the Baptist abstained from drinking alcohol, while Jesus drank alcohol frequently.