Dual Covenant Theology

[mark54]

bringing who back to what homeland?

haven't you read?

Galatians 4 c. 54AD
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

Like I said, if you can quote something relevant I will respond

Don't any of those scholars and theologians you read of believe they will be brought back to the land?
None of 'em?

 

[mark54]

bringing who back to what homeland?

haven't you read?

Galatians 4 c. 54AD
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

I've read it plenty of times, it has nothing whatsoever to do with them being brought back to their homeland
To be honest, I thought you had a good understanding of Galatians, but quoting it to prove your point on this subject I am afraid makes me wonder

 

[zone]

If you can write something that refutes God bringinig them back to their homeland I will respond, otherwise I'm outta here

refutes?
refutes who being brought where?



Matthew 16:21
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Matthew 26:61
and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.'"

Mark 14:58
"We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man.'"

Matthew 27:40
and saying, "You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!"

Hebrews 9:11
When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

2 Corinthians 5:1
Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

Revelation 6:14
The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

 

[mark54]

bringing who back to what homeland?

haven't you read?

Galatians 4 c. 54AD
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

I know I am a bit slow. Are you saying God in his perfect plan cannot bring them back before they all enbrace Grace? He is not allowed to do that?

Don't you think that is a bit presumptious

 

[zone]

I've read it plenty of times, it has nothing whatsoever to do with them being brought back to their homeland
To be honest, I thought you had a good understanding of Galatians, but quoting it to prove your point on this subject I am afraid makes me wonder

they?
they who?
who is Galatians written to?

any idea?

 

[zone]

I know I am a bit slow. Are you saying God in his perfect plan cannot bring them back before they all enbrace Grace? He is not allowed to do that?

Don't you think that is a bit presumptious

bring who back where?
with whom is The Lord in Covenant?

are christians in exile anywhere in the world?
are they looking for a city made with hands here?
are they looking for a continuing city?
anywhere?

who else is God in Covenant with?

muslims?
why not?

 

[mark54]

bring who back where?
with whom is The Lord in Covenant?

You don't get it do you, you are blinded to the truth, because all you can see is your scholarly outlook, of the studying of scholars and theologians by the little grey cells

 

[zone]

Like I said, if you can quote something relevant I will respond

Don't any of those scholars and theologians you read of believe they will be brought back to the land?
None of 'em?

who is they?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Like I said, if you can quote something relevant I will respond

Don't any of those scholars and theologians you read of believe they will be brought back to the land?
None of 'em?

no they don't. it comes from roman catholicism. alot of the reformers brought this strong belief with them.

she keeps bringing salvation proofs to prove her point, when she does not understand the land promise had nothing to do with salvation. so we can not make it a salvation issue.. thus no salvation proofs she wants to keep posting will prove her point, because again, it was never a salvation issue,


if it was a salvation issue, then all isreal is saved, whether they believe it or not.. whihc none of us agree is true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know I am a bit slow. Are you saying God in his perfect plan cannot bring them back before they all enbrace Grace? He is not allowed to do that?

Don't you think that is a bit presumptious

i would agree with her on this./ there are still more jews in the US than their are in isreal, at least last I checked.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

bring who back where?
with whom is The Lord in Covenant?

are christians in exile anywhere in the world?
are they looking for a city made with hands here?
are they looking for a continuing city?
anywhere?

who else is God in Covenant with?

muslims?
why not?

why would christians be looking for a land? they were never given land to begin with. come on sis, you can do better than this!

 

[mark54]

who is they?

Don't be silly Zone, I have quoted enough scripture to prove the point, if you wanna bog it down and try and sidetrack it go ahead without me
You are lost in your world of scholars and theologians, and refuse to be led of the Holy Spirit in this issue and others

 

[mark54]

i would agree with her on this./ there are still more jews in the US than their are in isreal, at least last I checked.

I am convinced in my own mind that God brought back those Jews he did to the land in 1948, it can be said to be the begining of a process, but not the end. there is still much more to happen in accordance with scripture

 

[zone]

You don't get it do you, you are blinded to the truth, because all you can see is your scholarly outlook, of the studying of scholars and theologians by the little grey cells

what truth?
what do i not see?


Matthew 16:16
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?

2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Ezekiel 37:27
My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people.

John 16:27
No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

 

[mark54]

what truth?
what do i not see?


Matthew 16:16
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?

2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Ezekiel 37:27
My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people.

John 16:27
No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

Nothing to respnd to here

 

[zone]

Don't be silly Zone, I have quoted enough scripture to prove the point, if you wanna bog it down and try and sidetrack it go ahead without me
You are lost in your world of scholars and theologians, and refuse to be led of the Holy Spirit in this issue and others

quoted enough scripture to prove what point?
with whom is God in Covenant?

John 8:19
They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

 

[mark54]

quoted enough scripture to prove what point?
with whom is God in Covenant?

John 8:19
They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

Nothing to respond to here, move along

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am convinced in my own mind that God brought back those Jews he did to the land in 1948, it can be said to be the begining of a process, but not the end. there is still much more to happen in accordance with scripture

well. a temple does have to be rebuilt before the future can be fulfilled. Someone has to abominate it..

But they still need the gospel. and this should be our first priority, is to bring them all to Christ.. even if we fail.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nothing to respond to here, move along

lol. same story..

Non of the promises given to Christians or brought to us thorugh Christ had to do with land.. The land was given to them as a gift.. not us.. and not to have anything to do with their or our salvation. some people just can not see this.

 

[mark54]

well. a temple does have to be rebuilt before the future can be fulfilled. Someone has to abominate it..

I am not saying i agree with this, but one Christian said they considered the abomination that causes desolation to be nuclear weapons which would be in the Temple, Jerusalem
I repeat, that view was put forward to me, I have no opinon really as to the worth of it