Earth is Flat and Stationary
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OH and why am I getting trolled for speaking the truth by pharasies in here??? : ) 
earth is flat ppl wake up
earth is flat ppl wake up
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I assume the OP is a young kid (or man child with narrow frame of world) so I used the term incepted from the movie Inception where they went into people's dreams and planted ideas so they would manifest in their real lives as thoughts of their own.
He seems to speak only in talking points he overhears youtube personalities preaching, so I thought relating an idea to him he saw in a movie is the best approach to reach him.
There is more than one definition anyway, gotta use context clues:
[h=2]Definition of incept[/h]
[h=2]-ed/-ing/-s[/h]
He seems to speak only in talking points he overhears youtube personalities preaching, so I thought relating an idea to him he saw in a movie is the best approach to reach him.
There is more than one definition anyway, gotta use context clues:
[h=2]Definition of incept[/h]
[h=2]-ed/-ing/-s[/h]
- [h=6]transitive verb[/h]
- 1 archaic : begin, commence, undertake
- 2 [influenced in meaning by Latin capere to take] : to take in: such as a : ingest phagocytes incepting foreign particles b : to receive as a member
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Oh, I see how it works now we are in a snow globe.....that's why the water doesn't fall off the edges....
Hummmmm....wonder why God doesn't shake us up every once in a while?
Any Australian here? Try for us
But beware, its possible you will never return. Do it for science!
I would like to know how a flat earth can have an axis tilt resulting in seasons......How come in the southern hemisphere the stars are different.....how come when the sun is straight up the entire planet is not lit and there being night and day....how Isaish rights of the circle of the earth (comes from circumference) etc........how can there be a heart of the earth....how can there be a north and south (both named in the bible)........blah blah blah...there are NOT two verses in context that states verbatim the earth is flat
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Me neither,
surely there are other influences that are wanting to keep folks in that hamster cage, as another poster mentioned the snow globe effect. Quite boggling to think there are really folks that believe in a flat earth, is it a real belief for them or some kind of alternative motive behind things like this. Probably there are people in the world who do stuff, just for kicks, a few laughs at the expense of people who are interested in knowing something.
surely there are other influences that are wanting to keep folks in that hamster cage, as another poster mentioned the snow globe effect. Quite boggling to think there are really folks that believe in a flat earth, is it a real belief for them or some kind of alternative motive behind things like this. Probably there are people in the world who do stuff, just for kicks, a few laughs at the expense of people who are interested in knowing something.
yeah same way a painted diorama in a fishtank "has a purpose"
that purpose being to deceive the fish into thinking they are in an actual sea, and to ironically remind anyone who looks at it of what the actual natural environment of those fish might look like, as opposed to the hypocritical cage they are in.
it's to calm the fish down, so they don't freak out knowing how imprisoned they are in such a tiny, unnaturally confined space.
that purpose being to deceive the fish into thinking they are in an actual sea, and to ironically remind anyone who looks at it of what the actual natural environment of those fish might look like, as opposed to the hypocritical cage they are in.
it's to calm the fish down, so they don't freak out knowing how imprisoned they are in such a tiny, unnaturally confined space.
So, when Australians get aboard a ship and go south, what happens?
Any Australian here? Try for us But beware, its possible you will never return. Do it for science!
Any Australian here? Try for us
But beware, its possible you will never return. Do it for science!
Strange thing.....in AU.....I cannot see the North Star.....
Debunking the Flat Earth
[h=2]Tuesday, February 2, 2016[/h] [h=3]How Polaris Proves the Earth is Round[/h]
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[h=2]Latitudes and the North Star[/h]
For centuries mariners navigating the oceans in the northern hemisphere have used the North Star (Polaris) to determine their latitude. For any point between the Equator and the North Pole, latitude is obtained simply by measuring the altitude of Polaris. For example, at latitude N 30°, Polaris can be seen 30° above the horizon. From latitude N 53°, Polaris is 53° above the horizon. If you see Polaris at an angle of 5° above the horizon, you are at latitude N 5°, and so on.
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The relationship between latitudinal position and the apparent altitude of Polaris is due not only to the star's distance and location over the north pole, but also to the earth's spherical shape.
Astronomers have determined that Polaris is 433.8 light years from earth. This extreme distance has two important effects:
- It is the reason why the star seems to be stationary, directly above the north pole all year around despite the earth's annual orbit around the sun.
- Light rays from Polaris are virtually parallel when the reach the earth. This means that all light from Polaris meets the earth at the same angle, 90° with respect to the earth's equatorial plane.
Flat-earthers will often protest that it's impossible for Polaris to appear always above the North Pole considering that the earth is traveling around the sun along an orbital path 940 million kilometers in circumference. This argument is actually irrelevant with respect to the shape of the earth and is merely a (bad) argument for a stationary earth. As you will see illustrated below, even if the earth is stationary, its shape can only be spherical.
Nonetheless, flat earthers simply lack understanding of the geometry of the heliocentric model. The distance the earth travels during its annual orbit is minuscule compared to the distance of Polaris.
Consider this:
- The diameter of earth's orbit is about 300 million km (186 million miles).
- The distance to Polaris is around 3.6 quadrillion km (2.4 quadrillion miles).
- That's a distance ratio of 1 : 12,000,000
To put that into perspective, imagine you are staring straight ahead at a distant mountain located 100 kilometers away. Now take a step eight millimeters to the left. Obviously you are still staring straight at the mountain. If you are the earth and the mountain is Polaris, that 8 mm distance is the equivalent of the change in earth's relative position after six months of orbit.
[h=3]How Looking Up ↑ Reveals Earth's Curvature[/h]
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The angles at which we observe Polaris from any location in the northern hemisphere match perfectly with the geometry of a spherical earth. [/TD]
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[h=3][/h][h=3][/h][h=3][/h][h=3][/h][h=3]Polaris Can't Help Mariners Find Their Latitude on a Flat Earth[/h]All of the methods and formulas used in celestial navigation employ the geometry of a spherical earth. The fact that they work is no mere coincidence. In fact, if the earth was flat, the methods would not work at all. The geometry of a flat earth is very different and would require different methods.
For example, the congruous relationship between the altitude of Polaris and latitude of the earth is impossible on a flat earth. To a traveler on a flat earth who is moving away from Polaris directly south, the apparent altitude of the star will decline, but not at a constant rate as would be seen on a globe. In fact, the farther away the observer gets, the slower Polaris will appear to descend. It's a matter of simple geometry. As the degree of altitude decreases, concurrent distances increase exponentially. This means that the altitude of Polaris will almost never agree with an observer's latitude. To see Polaris at an altitude of 0° on the horizon (as is observed at the equator) would actually be impossible because an observer would have to be an infinite distance away. Basic trigonometry reveals why. If you can solve a right triangle (or use an on-line right triangle calculator), you can verify this for yourself.
In the below illustration, which is drawn to scale, you can see that Polaris -- if positioned at a height of 3,100 miles above a flat earth (as an example) -- will have the correct matching altitude angle from latitude N 45°, but not from anywhere else except the North Pole.
In the below illustration, which is drawn to scale, you can see that Polaris -- if positioned at a height of 3,100 miles above a flat earth (as an example) -- will have the correct matching altitude angle from latitude N 45°, but not from anywhere else except the North Pole.
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There is no way to reconcile this inconsistency of the flat earth model with observable reality. The apparent position of Polaris in the sky, as observed from any location in the northern hemisphere, indicates beyond question the curved shape of the earth. This is empirical evidence that anyone can validate for themselves by simply measuring the altitude of Polaris with a homemade clinometer and comparing the result to their latitude. If they match, you're on a curve. There is no theoretical distance above a flat earth where Polaris could be positioned that can mimic this relationship. It's impossible. A flat plane can't mimic a curve.
Watch this excellent video for more info:
Watch this excellent video for more info:
Some flat-earthers claim that Polaris can be seen from latitudes well south of the equator, as far as the Tropic of Capricorn at 23.4° S latitude. This is absolutely false, of course, which is why they can't substantiate such claims with verifiable evidence, or any credible sources, i.e., sources other than archaic, pseudoscientific, flat earth texts.
In truth, Polaris is typically not visible from locations near the equator. It's not bright enough. Like most stars near the horizon, its light dissipates due to increased atmospheric interference (a.k.a. atmospheric extinction) and because of light pollution, that artificial skyglow that hangs over populated areas. However, under the right circumstances, from remote locations, Polaris can be observed south of the equator. This is due to atmospheric refraction which will cause objects in the sky to appear slightly higher than their actual positions.
[TABLE="class: tr-caption-container, align: center"]In truth, Polaris is typically not visible from locations near the equator. It's not bright enough. Like most stars near the horizon, its light dissipates due to increased atmospheric interference (a.k.a. atmospheric extinction) and because of light pollution, that artificial skyglow that hangs over populated areas. However, under the right circumstances, from remote locations, Polaris can be observed south of the equator. This is due to atmospheric refraction which will cause objects in the sky to appear slightly higher than their actual positions.
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When light passes from one medium to another it is bent, or refracted, and the same is true when light from a star passes from the vacuum of space into the Earth's atmosphere. The result is to make the object appear at a higher altitude than is really the case, and the nearer it is to the horizon, the more pronounced the effect, even causing objects below the horizon to appear visible. The degree by which the light is refracted is also dependent on atmospheric pressure and temperature. All astronomical observations have to be corrected for atmospheric refraction to obtain true, as opposed to apparent, positions.
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Atmospheric refraction is nil for celestial objects directly overhead and increases progressively for objects at lower and lower altitudes. The displacement effect of refraction is well known to astronomers and navigators. Navigators use mathematical formulas to correct for it. The refractive index of air is relatively small, so in general the effect is minor except when objects are close to the horizon.
For example, a star at an altitude of 45° will appear displaced by only about 1 arc minute or 0.016 degrees. A star significantly lower at an altitude of 15° will appear about 3.6 arc minutes higher than its actual position, still only 0.06 degrees off. For objects located very near the horizon, refraction increases significantly and can vary quite a bit depending on the temperature, pressure, and humidity of the surrounding air. Typically, for a celestial object right on the horizon (at an altitude of 0°), refraction will be around 35 arc minutes or about 0.6 degrees. This means that, from low elevations, Polaris could be visible south of the equator, but it's not likely to be seen beyond 1° S latitude.
Viewing from higher elevations such as from the top of a mountain would also increase the visibility of Polaris from southern latitudes, but again, not by much. An elevation of 10,000 feet for example would allow only about 0.5 degrees of increased visibility "around" the Earth.
The above numbers were taken from Astrophysical Quantities by C.W. Allen. For more information on atmospheric refraction and to further verify those figures, refer to the following sources:
I assume the OP is a young kid (or man child with narrow frame of world) so I used the term incepted from the movie Inception where they went into people's dreams and planted ideas so they would manifest in their real lives as thoughts of their own.
He seems to speak only in talking points he overhears youtube personalities preaching, so I thought relating an idea to him he saw in a movie is the best approach to reach him.
There is more than one definition anyway, gotta use context clues:
Definition of incept
-ed/-ing/-s
He seems to speak only in talking points he overhears youtube personalities preaching, so I thought relating an idea to him he saw in a movie is the best approach to reach him.
There is more than one definition anyway, gotta use context clues:
Definition of incept
-ed/-ing/-s
- transitive verb
- 1 archaic : begin, commence, undertake
- 2 [influenced in meaning by Latin capere to take] : to take in: such as a : ingest phagocytes incepting foreign particles b : to receive as a member
When I first read it, I thought it might be a typo. I had never heard the word before... the internet definition (which we all know is always right) said it meant to graduate with a doctorate degree, or some such.
I knew this thread wasn't totally useless....
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yeah same way a painted diorama in a fishtank "has a purpose"
that purpose being to deceive the fish into thinking they are in an actual sea, and to ironically remind anyone who looks at it of what the actual natural environment of those fish might look like, as opposed to the hypocritical cage they are in.
it's to calm the fish down, so they don't freak out knowing how imprisoned they are in such a tiny, unnaturally confined space.
that purpose being to deceive the fish into thinking they are in an actual sea, and to ironically remind anyone who looks at it of what the actual natural environment of those fish might look like, as opposed to the hypocritical cage they are in.
it's to calm the fish down, so they don't freak out knowing how imprisoned they are in such a tiny, unnaturally confined space.
And most people I know are more than happy or afraid to leave their hometown.
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yeah same way a painted diorama in a fishtank "has a purpose"
that purpose being to deceive the fish into thinking they are in an actual sea, and to ironically remind anyone who looks at it of what the actual natural environment of those fish might look like, as opposed to the hypocritical cage they are in.
it's to calm the fish down, so they don't freak out knowing how imprisoned they are in such a tiny, unnaturally confined space.
that purpose being to deceive the fish into thinking they are in an actual sea, and to ironically remind anyone who looks at it of what the actual natural environment of those fish might look like, as opposed to the hypocritical cage they are in.
it's to calm the fish down, so they don't freak out knowing how imprisoned they are in such a tiny, unnaturally confined space.
can't let my fish read this thread now
thanks alot