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John146

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Is a son..

Will be a son..

Two different knowledges .. Two different topics.. Two different discussions..
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According to Scripture, God knows someone as a son the moment they believe upon Jesus Christ for salvation.
 
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John146 said:
According to Scripture, God knows someone as a son the moment they believe upon Jesus Christ for salvation.
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Yes a man becomes an Son of God when they embrace the Gosepl.. God knows them as a Son from that time on.. But He also knew they would become a son from the foundation of the earth..
 
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OIC1965

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Yes, from the beginning this is the method God chose to save the Gentiles, through sanctification and belief in the truth through the gospel given to Paul.
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It doesn’t say “chose a method”.

it says “chose YOU
 
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OIC1965 said:
I give God all the glory because He did open my eyes and my heart.
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Mine eyes He opened to...
All the glory goes to God for everything He has done for me...
As the Hymn says
" I once was lost , but now I am found
was blind but now I see "

I am who I am by the grace of God , my faith to believe in Him and everything that follows according to His plan...
...xox...
 
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OIC1965

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Yes a man becomes an Son of God when they embrace the Gosepl.. God knows them as a Son from that time on.. But He also knew they would become a son from the foundation of the earth..
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This is a good, balanced answer
 
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throughfaith

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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol, once again you prove you have blinders and a deep seated hate that you can not see

it may be able to be used by them,but it does not prove their theology, and it also is not strictly calvin.

i think the question many need to be asking is do you believe one can lose salvation
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I'm an evangelist , I speak the truth in love to every cult , false religion and everyone who will listen . We should all hate false doctrine.
 
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OIC1965

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Rosemaryx said:
Mine eyes He opened to...
All the glory goes to God for everything He has done for me...
As the Hymn says
" I once was lost , but now I am found
was blind but now I see "

I am who I am by the grace of God , my faith to believe in Him and everything that follows according to His plan...
...xox...
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Amen. The blind man in John 9 said “ I know that where I was once blind, now I see!!!
 
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throughfaith

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And how
Adstar said:
Yes a man becomes an Son of God when they embrace the Gosepl.. God knows them as a Son from that time on.. But He also knew they would become a son from the foundation of the earth..
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How does God knowing we would believe, change anything ? Why is that important ?
 
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throughfaith

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I am not a T.U.L.I.P Calvinist.. I have spent years preaching against Calvinism.. I would suggest you look into Calvanisim's TULIP 5 doctrines so that you can know the difference between calvinism and what i believe in..

I believe what the Bible says about Gods foreknowledge and His predestining people from that foreknowledge into the image of Jesus.. Calvinisim is very different.. it says God created some people to be saved because He was always going to force them to believe and that God created others who served no other purpose but to burn in torment in the lake of fire forever and ever simply because God pre-decided not to control their minds and force them to believe in Him..
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Calvinism and Most Arminians would agree on Total depravity and Election being about salvation .
 
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OIC1965 said:
Amen. The blind man in John 9 said “ I know that where I was once blind, now I see!!!
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The blind man did not see Christ , Christ came to him , he was called for the glory of God...
...xox...
 
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throughfaith

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eternally-gratefull said:
Amen

or why would god gif eternal life, someone who will eventually die again and end up in hell. Does God mess up? It’s sad some outright reject the omniscience of God
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A person in christ cannot be unsealed . The philosophy about omniscience ( including the heretical ' open theism) makes for interesting conversations, but I'd rather stick to the scriptures.
 
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Calvinism and Most Arminians would agree on Total depravity and Election being about salvation .
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They have vastly different concepts of depravity

Calvinist. Regeneration before faith

Arminian- faith before regeneration

It seems to me, the two happen somewhat simultaneously.

Calvinist- unconditional election

Arminian. Conditional election.

Me- I don’t claim to understand how election works.
 
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throughfaith

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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol, once again you prove you have blinders and a deep seated hate that you can not see

it may be able to be used by them,but it does not prove their theology, and it also is not strictly calvin.

i think the question many need to be asking is do you believe one can lose salvation
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How could someone lose salvation ? they are predestined to glorification/ Adoption After they believe .
 
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Well this is the definition of the U in TULIP

"U" in "TULIP" stands for "Unconditional Election" (Predestination).

"God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world rested solely in His own sovereign will. His choice of particular sinners was not based on any foreseen response of obedience on their part, such as faith, repentance, etc. On the contrary, God gives faith and repentance to each individual whom He selects. These acts are the result, not the cause of God's choice. Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any virtuous quality or act foreseen in man. Those whom God sovereignly elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing acceptance of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation."

This definition means that it's 100% Gods doing.. According to calvinism God gives everything.. Faith repentence.. ""These acts are the result , not the cause of Gods Choice""
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I have yet to hear a Calvinist say god forced them.
So I would suggest we stray from adding words to their belief system
 
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throughfaith

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OIC1965 said:
They have vastly different concepts of depravity

Calvinist. Regeneration before faith

Arminian- faith before regeneration

It seems to me, the two happen somewhat simultaneously.

Calvinist- unconditional election

Arminian. Conditional election.

Me- I don’t claim to understand how election works.
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/// It seems to me, the two happen somewhat simultaneously./// could you explain what you mean ?
 
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