Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

[eternally-gratefull]

Abraham was convinced. And it led him to be made righteous

rom 4: Therefore it is of faith that it might beaccording to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

 

[OIC1965]

Tell me if the Holy Spirit convinces one can He convince all?

It’s not “can He”, it’s “will He”

God has determined to save all who See and believe on the Son and not save those who don’t. The Spirit convicts the world of sin, of judgement and righteousness, and empowers us to witness. We pray that God will empower us and open hearts. The Power and the Glory is His.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It’s not “can He”, it’s “will He”

God has determined to save all who See and believe on the Son and not save those who don’t. The Spirit convicts the world of sin, of judgement and righteousness, and empowers us to witness. We pray that God will empower us and open hearts. The Power and the Glory is His.

Amen, in John 6 they all saw the same thing the spirit worked through christ

yet many walked away. Because they did not believe

while peter and others, believed because as peter said Jesus is the Christ, he was convinced

 

[OIC1965]

Again wih the calvinism thinking

my parents and pastor and Sunday schools convinced me that he Gospel was real, it was not irresistible anything, it just gave me confidence that the gospel and god were trustworthy

I think the scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit’s power is absolutely essential to evangelism.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think the scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit’s power is absolutely essential to evangelism.

Yes, the hs worked through those people, and in my life, without the Hs I would not be here

 

[OIC1965]

I think the scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit’s power is absolutely essential to evangelism.

No one gets converted by our fleshly arm.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one gets converted by our fleshly arm.

That’s why the Hs is sent

 

[OIC1965]

That’s why the Hs is sent

Thanks for the fellowship. You’re a good brother

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks for the fellowship. You’re a good brother

Thanks for your fellowship also Bro

 

[49]

Thanks for
your fellowship also Bro

And THIS is what fellowship and Christian Chat should be!!! So refreshing, and may God be here in the presence of all!!!

God Bless!! 🙂

 

[EleventhHour]

It’s not “can He”, it’s “will He”

God has determined to save all who See and believe on the Son and not save those who don’t. The Spirit convicts the world of sin, of judgement and righteousness, and empowers us to witness. We pray that God will empower us and open hearts. The Power and the Glory is His.

Ahh yes...but you did not mention "convince"
What I am trying to understand from your viewpoint where does convincing start and stop by the Holy Spirit.

I stated the person is persuaded and convinced of the truth... .there is some thought process on the part of the person...because to state the Holy Spirit convinces means He fails along the line if we do not take into consideration the human response.

I do not see "convince" as a good word choice for the role of the Holy Spirit.... the power is in the message ...one is convinced of the message.

 

[OIC1965]

Ahh yes...but you did not mention "convince"
What I am trying to understand from your viewpoint where does convincing start and stop by the Holy Spirit.

I stated the person is persuaded and convinced of the truth... .there is some thought process on the part of the person...because to state the Holy Spirit convinces means He fails along the line if we do not take into consideration the human response.

I do not see "convince" as a good word choice for the role of the Holy Spirit.... the power is in the message ...one is convinced of the message.

It is possible to resist the Holy Spirit. That is taught in scripture. As far as power being in scripture, I agree. But the fact remains that the Holy Spirit was sent to empower the apostles. And btw, WHO do you think inspired the scriptures?

 

[throughfaith]

I didnt even know the gospel, if you knew my parents you would understand why. It just came from nowhere.

We all can't base the Gospel and how we are saved off our subjective feelings and experiences.

 

[throughfaith]

He convinces and convicts.

of what ? ( And its not ' drawihg '

 

[throughfaith]

Your problem is that you state some truths but then think their veracity negates other things that are true. And other things you say are flat wrong.

For example, the golden chain has predestination BEFORE justification. So if you think predestination is on those already saved, you have saved people who are not yet justified.

I don’t have time now, but I will speak on the rest tommorow

The golden chain is not a biblical phrase .

 

[throughfaith]

1 Corinthians 14:24-25

How is that ' drawing ' ?

When you share the gospel and someone believes, did you convince them or the Spirit.

Acts 1:8

8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Jews reaching Jews. Signs accompanying them .

 

[throughfaith]

1 Corinthians 14:24-25

This is the problem. You pick a verse out of context to match your doctrines .

 

[throughfaith]

Your problem is that you state some truths but then think their veracity negates other things that are true. And other things you say are flat wrong.

For example, the golden chain has predestination BEFORE justification. So if you think predestination is on those already saved, you have saved people who are not yet justified.

I don’t have time now, but I will speak on the rest tommorow

Augustine of Hippo comments on today’s passage that “God elected believers in order that they might believe, not because they already believed.” God’s choice of us precedes in every sense our choice of Him. If the Lord had not chosen us, we never would have chosen to believe in Him, and because He chose His people without any view to their own merits or choices, His people will certainly believe. His predestination of us means we are His forever.
This is where it comes from .

 

[throughfaith]

if your not convinced, you will never have faith, period.

Did you mean ' if your never convinced you will never believe ? '

 

[throughfaith]

does everyone get saved? I mean really what kind of question is this?

Conviction of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, but occurs to sinners alike, regardless of consequent faith or unbelief. It is not irresistible or unconditionally selective. (Jn. 16:7-11)
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, because they believe not on me ;
10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12¶I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.