Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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Exactly what I said. We are already adopted but have not entered into the fullness of it yet.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1.12
 

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There's your problem Ephesians 1:4 says According as HE has chose US in Him before the foundation of the world. You change the word "us' to "our blessings"
 

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12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1.12
Read Galatians 4:5-7'

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, [b]“Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir [c]of God [d]through Christ.

The sonship Paul is discussing is contextually speaking about the adoption. And he uses the present tense to describe their position. Beacus YOU ARE sons
 

John146

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There's your problem Ephesians 1:4 says According as HE has chose US in Him before the foundation of the world. You change the word "us' to "our blessings"
Yes, the spiritual blessings are in accordance to what God has chose us in him before the foundation of the world. It clearly does not say that he chose us TO BE in him...
 

OIC1965

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5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might recieve the adoption of sons.
Next verse. 6 And because you ARE sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, [b]“Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir [c]of God [d]through Christ.

This is talking about sonship in the context of ADOPTION, and the very next verse states it as a present reality.

It's just like we ALREADY HAVE eternal life, but have not entered into the full expression of it yet, which will come at the glorification.
 

John146

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Read Galatians 4:5-7'

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, [b]“Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir [c]of God [d]through Christ.

The sonship Paul is discussing is contextually speaking about the adoption. And he uses the present tense to describe their position. Beacus YOU ARE sons
It is so certain that we now can be called a son of God even though we wait for the future adoption.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 

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Yes, the spiritual blessings are in accordance to what God has chose us in him before the foundation of the world. It clearly does not say that he chose us TO BE in him...
What does "in accordance to what God has chosen us in Him" mean? The sentence doesn't make sense.
 

OIC1965

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It is so certain that we now can be called a son of God even though we wait for the future adoption.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Doesn't change the fact that Galatians 4:6 states that adoption is a present reailty.
 

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Yes, the spiritual blessings are in accordance to what God has chose us in him before the foundation of the world. It clearly does not say that he chose us TO BE in him...
Does Ephesians 1:4 say that GOD CHOSE US?
 

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What does "in accordance to what God has chosen us in Him" mean? The sentence doesn't make sense.
It means that what God has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world are the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. Even before we were in Christ these blessings were chosen. If we want to get in on these blessings we must first trust in Christ.
 

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It means that what God has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world are the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. Even before we were in Christ these blessings were chosen. If we want to get in on these blessings we must first trust in Christ.
OK, grammar question...what is the direct object of the clause "God chose us"?
 

John146

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Doesn't change the fact that Galatians 4:6 states that adoption is a present reailty.
God knows who are his sons by the seal, his Holy Spirit that he has placed within every believer, even though we do not yet appear to be sons. We will finally have his appearance at the future adoption...perfect, sinless body, soul and spirit.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
 

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God knows who are his sons by the seal, his Holy Spirit that he has placed within every believer, even though we do not yet appear to be sons. We will finally have his appearance at the future adoption...perfect, sinless body, soul and spirit.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Yes, we are adopted already, but the full manifestation of us as children of God is at the resurrection.
 

John146

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OK, grammar question...what is the direct object of the clause "God chose us"?
The word according takes us back to verse 3.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: