Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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throughfaith

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That's your problem right there. You don't know how to identify the direct object of a verb. I suggest you brush up on grammatical structure and syntax.
Like I suggested from the beginning. Do a word search on ' elect ' you will always find its to do with service and purpose . Everytime . Never to be saved .
 

throughfaith

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That's your problem right there. You don't know how to identify the direct object of a verb. I suggest you brush up on grammatical syntax.
So you teach that you were Chosen in him before the foundation of the world , predestinated to be saved before you existed ? based on God seeing in the future you would believe ,awakens you ( partial regeneration ) so that you could be enabled to freely choose to believe at the right moment in time in history ..Is this the version of ' election to be saved later ' postion you hold ?
 

John146

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According to merely means "in accordance with". God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in Christ Jesus,
According takes you back, not forward. The thing just stated is in accordance to what we have in him, in Christ.
 

OIC1965

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According takes you back, not forward. The thing just stated is in accordance to what we have in him, in Christ.
I’ll say it again. The spiritual blessings in Christ are in accordance with the fact that God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

Very simple if you don’t convolute it with your own opinions.
 

OIC1965

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Like I suggested from the beginning. Do a word search on ' elect ' you will always find its to do with service and purpose . Everytime . Never to be saved .
A purpose huh? You mean like God purposing that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.

I really like THAT purpose.
 
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I never used the words "to salvation" as has already been stated. Ephesians 1:4-5 God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to the adoption of sons, according to the good pleasure of His will
... "chose us in Him" ... does that mean salvation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Again , that sounds real preachy . You,d get away with it on a Sunday school class .
yet You have no counter point to him, all yu could do was attack him. This hurts your point it does not help it,it makes you look like a bully.
 

John146

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I’ll say it again. The spiritual blessings in Christ are in accordance with the fact that God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

Very simple if you don’t convolute it with your own opinions.
Please give me your thoughts on Galatians 4, in particular, verse 9.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

After that ye are known of God...

Paul is asking these Galatians, Now that God knows you as a son, why are you placing yourselves under the bondage of the law? You used to be under the law, but now that God knows you as a son, you need not to place that burden on yourselves.
 

OIC1965

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1. So you teach that you were Chosen in him before the foundation of the world ,

Not me, Paul.

2.predestinated to be saved before you existed?

Predestinated to the adoption as sons. Connected to verse 4, so part of election.

3. based on God seeing in the future you would believe ,

Not quite. God doesn’t need to look into the future. All knowledge is present with Him.

4. awakens you ( partial regeneration )

Where did that come from? Not me. See that’s the thing, you constantly put words in people’s mouths.


5. so that you could be enabled

I prefer to say it has been granted to us to believe.

6. to freely choose to believe

I don’t need to choose to believe what I have already believed.

7. at the right moment in time in history

It is always “today is the day of salvation”

Sorry I don’t fit in the Kellogg’s corn flakes box you tried to squeeze me into.

.8. .Is this the version of ' election to be saved later ' postion you hold ?

See above.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Sure He does. That’s what this whole debate has been about, and all these threads.....🥴
If it even hints at supporting any part of Calvins belief system, they will attack it and tear it to the ground,

it’s been going on for months now, it’s quite sad actually, that people witness this kind ofbehavior. I just pray no one who was seeking saw this stuff and it caused them to run and say yep, no thanks, I want no part of this
 

throughfaith

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A purpose huh? You mean like God purposing that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.

I really like THAT purpose.
Thats not chosen to BE saved BEFORE you exist. Why would God need to choose people to be saved before the existed ?
 

OIC1965

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Please give me your thoughts on Galatians 4, in particular, verse 9.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

After that ye are known of God...

Paul is asking these Galatians, Now that God knows you as a son, why are you placing yourselves under the bondage of the law? You used to be under the law, but now that God knows you as a son, you need not to place that burden on yourselves.
You are still confusing two terms.

Knowledge and foreknowledge. Two different things. I’ve said this multiple times

Do you believe God knew US before the foundation of the world?
 

John146

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If it even hints at supporting any part of Calvins belief system, they will attack it and tear it to the ground,

it’s been going on for months now, it’s quite sad actually, that people witness this kind ofbehavior. I just pray no one who was seeking saw this stuff and it caused them to run and say yep, no thanks, I want no part of this
I hope no one reading these posts believes that God has chosen people to be in Christ before the foundation of the world, and not chosen others to be in Christ before the foundation of the world. What a sad thought? Why preach the gospel? God's already chosen His people. Sad, sad thought...I'm glad Paul didn't think this.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I never used the words "to salvation" as has already been stated. Ephesians 1:4-5 God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to the adoption of sons, according to the good pleasure of His will
Although, in reality, being confirmed to his image would be the result of being saved, so technically...
 

John146

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You are still confusing two terms.

Knowledge and foreknowledge. Two different things. I’ve said this multiple times

Do you believe God knew US before the foundation of the world?
Please explain Galatians 4:9. Thanks.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So you teach that you were Chosen in him before the foundation of the world , predestinated to be saved before you existed ? based on God seeing in the future you would believe ,awakens you ( partial regeneration ) so that you could be enabled to freely choose to believe at the right moment in time in history ..Is this the version of ' election to be saved later ' postion you hold ?
Can you name where he stated god must awake him fully or partially before he placed his faith in Christ?