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Only God knows , I do not know much apart from what the Holy Spirit is teaching me...
Jude 4
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
...xox...
Doesn’t make a practical difference. Unless you think God had a different plan before He created than what He had after, and I’ll be stunned if anyone believed that.
You could use any other word . Forced , held at Gun point , hypnotised ..All its saying they can come if drawn by the Father . It doesn't say they were drawn , or that anyone came. Most fled from Jesus after .
Revelation 17;8
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
Doesn’t make a practical difference. Unless you think God had a different plan before He created than what He had after, and I’ll be stunned if anyone believed that.
You could use any other word . Forced , held at Gun point , hypnotised ..All its saying they can come if drawn by the Father . It doesn't say they were drawn , or that anyone came. Most fled from Jesus after .
It says all that the Father draws will come. What prophecy did Jesus quote in relationship to the drawing in John 6:45, and how is that prophecy related to John 6:44?
The immutability unchangableness of God is not philosophy, hoss. You guys sure deny a lot of God’s essential attributes. John denies omniscience and you deny immutability.
like i said ,what difference does it make . Before the cross happened, before Jesus was born as a baby people were learning of the Father after Jesus says this. " And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Before this it simply says the Fathers prerequisite was to be drawn by the Father . It doesn't say he actually drew anyone . Just that one one could come unless the Father drawed . Notice they can come though if Drawn . Most left Jesus .
The immutability unchangableness of God is not philosophy, hoss. You guys sure deny a lot of God’s essential attributes. John denies omniscience and you deny immutability.
No we deny the philosophy that caused this whole mess to begin with . Look up Augustines first introducing these concepts into christianity in the forth century . Its Gnosctism.
Revelation 17;8
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.