You won’t answer a related question, so why don’t you so we can discuss
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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You won’t answer a related question, so why don’t you so we can discuss
What about our names be written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world?
What phrase in John 6 is used synonymously with draw. You refused to answer it.
Doesn’t make a practical difference. Unless you think God had a different plan before He created than what He had after, and I’ll be stunned if anyone believed that.
You could use any other word . Forced , held at Gun point , hypnotised ..All its saying they can come if drawn by the Father . It doesn't say they were drawn , or that anyone came. Most fled from Jesus after .
What prophecy did Jesus quote when speaking about the Father’s drawing, and how does it relate to the drawing itself? John 6:44-45.
Revelation 17;8
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because it was and is not and is to come.
I try to stick what we do know ,as written and leave the philosophy to calvinists lol
Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom
of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 1 Cor 15:50
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have
spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life. John 6:63
It says all that the Father draws will come. What prophecy did Jesus quote in relationship to the drawing in John 6:45, and how is that prophecy related to John 6:44?
The immutability unchangableness of God is not philosophy, hoss. You guys sure deny a lot of God’s essential attributes. John denies omniscience and you deny immutability.
like i said ,what difference does it make . Before the cross happened, before Jesus was born as a baby people were learning of the Father after Jesus says this. " And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Before this it simply says the Fathers prerequisite was to be drawn by the Father . It doesn't say he actually drew anyone . Just that one one could come unless the Father drawed . Notice they can come though if Drawn . Most left Jesus .
No we deny the philosophy that caused this whole mess to begin with . Look up Augustines first introducing these concepts into christianity in the forth century . Its Gnosctism.