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[KJV1611]

No,

because israe ,and judah are still seperated, still enslaved

prophecy is not fulfilled until every part of it is fulfilled

its a check and balance so we can not say, hey look this is done, the prophecy is fulfilled, no it’s not. Until everything comes to past

thats why I can not buy into the thinking its already past. If it was, everything would be fulfilled, it’s not

amd yes, gentiles will serve the king too. They will come up once a year to worship

Israel and Judah were reunited in Christ through the new covenant. There is no Israel and Judah anymore, we are all one in Christ, no Israel, no Jew, no Judah and no gentile.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

 

[Rondonmon]

Where do you get 1/3 repents?

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Then in Zechariah 14:1-2 the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem.....then in verses 3-4 Jesus defeats the Anti-Christ as he splits Mt Zion.

 

[KJV1611]

Its two different desolation's, one is the 70 AD event, which is where I think Jesus would have saved Israel if they had of accepted Jesus but of course God knew they wouldn't accept Jesus at that time, so he postpones the 70th week and inserts the Church Age, Israel is seen as Dead Men's Bones for night 2000 years, then the HE {Anti-Christ} in verse 27 makes an Agreement {Covenant} with MANY meaning Israel and other Mediterranean Sea nations and reneges on those agreements. We can see in Daniel 11:40-43 who the MANY are besides Israel, they are all of North Africa, and countries he rolls through to get to Israel, Syria and Lebanon.

So the Anti-Christ desolates the Jews during the 70th week, but they were also left desolate in AD 70 in that God forsook them for 2000 some odd years up until 1948.

I'm way off from you on these things. I believe Christ confirmed the covenant in Daniel 9. I also don't believe the "dry bones" is figurative, I believe it was literal and it happened when the old testament saints rose from the dead with Christ.

We're a pretty good ways off on our beliefs.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Israel and Judah were reunited in Christ through the new covenant. There is no Israel and Judah anymore, we are all one in Christ, no Israel, no Jew, no Judah and no gentile.

thats not what the prophesy says

it says he will return them from where they were scattered and they will live in the Lang God gave their fathers

again, you are trying to partially fulfill a prophpesy

thats why I can not buy it

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

yep

but they are still scatters, the places where they were scattered are left unpunished, and they are still in unbelief, god write the new covenant, but they have yet to recieved it

allof it man, you want me to see it, bring me every word of the prophecy fulfilled

 

[KJV1611]

May I ask,

which aspect of my post do you "not buy"? :

--that in that verse Jesus uses the SINGULAR 'you' first (1x), and then uses the PLURAL 'you' (2x); or

--that there is such a thing as the "proleptic 'you'" (basically meaning, "all those in the future, of the same category"--This is what Jesus uses in, say, Matthew 24, where the "you" is a consistent "you," and speaks specifically [in that CONTEXT] of "all those to whom the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, was promised" [example: Matt24:29-31's "GREAT trumpet" aligns with Isaiah 27:12-13, where ISRAEL is/will be gathered "ONE BY ONE" (not "AS ONE") "to worship the Lord in the holy mount, AT JERUSALEM" (not a "Rapture" context!)];

...and how Paul uses the "proleptic 'we'" when he says, "then WE which are alive and remain unto" speaking of the still-living portion of the Church which is His body at the time of our Rapture--We would not insist that Paul was saying for certain "our Rapture" MUST take place in PAUL'S lifetime because of his use of the word "we". This is comparable, and yet we see no one suggesting such a thing (unless they are just committed to viewing everything from the Preterist viewpoint).

Nobody has to be a Greek or Hebrew scholar to understand the bible. We don't have to go to other people (scholars) to understand the bible. God used translators to take of that.

 

[bud62]

1 Corinthians 8
Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
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I just don't feel convicted at all of pork or any food for that matter so long as I am not a glutton and take care of my body and appreciate what God provides.

Wrong

jesus does not commit an abomination of desolation, he even spoke of him in the book of Matthew chapter 24.

he did not even bring and end to sacrifice, they continued for another almost 40,years.

Jesus was killed in the middle of the week in 3 and a half years later Steven was stoned, Jesus was cut off in the middle of the week , and a 3 & half years later Steven was stoned this is the end of the Jewish nation as god's people
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week ,and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifices in oblation to cease, this was JESUS, When HE die on the cross, That stoped the sacrifice & the oblation,
, and for the overspreading of the abominations he shall make it desolate even until they consumation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Rondonmon]

I'm way off from you on these things. I believe Christ confirmed the covenant in Daniel 9. I also don't believe the "dry bones" is figurative, I believe it was literal and it happened when the old testament saints rose from the dead with Christ.

We're a pretty good ways off on our beliefs.

It seems because Daniel 9 has nothing to do with Jesus confirming the Covenant brother, you have to add to when he dies to get this, I have seen this for 30 plus years. So its nothing new, the beat goes on....

 

[KJV1611]

Yeah, I figured that was your view... thus why I went into "all that" in my initial post of this thread (the one you didn't care to scrutinize, but where I explained why I disagree with the idea of "seals in the past" perspective

"Post #16, page 1" of this thread, for the readers: https://christianchat.com/threads/end-times-timeline.190217/post-4161822 ).

It's nothing personal TDW, its just that your posts are very hard to read. Those things you put in brackets are like your shorthands and probably make all the sense in the world to you, but I have to sit there and literally study it to understand your point.

I'll try to do better.

 

[John146]

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Then in Zechariah 14:1-2 the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem.....then in verses 3-4 Jesus defeats the Anti-Christ as he splits Mt Zion.

I’m tracking along. Good stuff.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus was killed in the middle of the week in 3 and a half years later Steven was stoned, Jesus was cut off in the middle of the week , and a 3 & half years later Steven was stoned this is the end of the Jewish nation as god's people
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week ,and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifices in oblation to cease, this was JESUS, When HE die on the cross, That stoped the sacrifice & the oblation,
, and for the overspreading of the abominations he shall make it desolate even until they consumation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

No
he was killed at the end of the 69th week

your time line is off

Jesus was introduced as messiah when he rode in on a donkey as the prophecy fortold

he died a few days later

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Nobody has to be a Greek or Hebrew scholar to understand the bible. We don't have to go to other people (scholars) to understand the bible. God used translators to take of that.

All I'm asking is (for one thing), do believe there is a difference in the "singular 'you'" and the "plural 'you'" (esp in this verse... but also elsewhere like when we use common language amongst ourselves, is there a difference in the two uses)?? One meaning, "you [personally and individually]"; and the other meaning, "you [corporately, like 'y'all']"?

 

[SpoonJuly]

Wrong

jesus does not commit an abomination of desolation, he even spoke of him in the book of Matthew chapter 24.

he did not even bring and end to sacrifice, they continued for another almost 40,years.

Daniel 9:27 does not say Jesus commits an abomination of desolation, it says that "for (because of) the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate"

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It's nothing personal TDW, its just that your posts are very hard to read. Those things you put in brackets are like your shorthands and probably make all the sense in the world to you, but I have to sit there and literally study it to understand your point.

I'll try to do better.

Okay, read my Post #16 (I've yet to see a response from you regarding that "condensed version" of my first point)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Yeah, I figured that was your view... thus why I went into "all that" in my initial post of this thread (the one you didn't care to scrutinize, but where I explained why I disagree with the idea of "seals in the past" perspective

"Post #16, page 1" of this thread, for the readers: https://christianchat.com/threads/end-times-timeline.190217/post-4161822 ).

I should have added, "ALSO in my Post #95, on page 5"

 

[KJV1611]

Here's how I'm seeing it (and have posted abundantly on it )...

Add in verse 8 [so Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11] and what we see written here is "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" (which I believe are parallel, time-wise [and description-wise], to the SEALS of Rev6).

Rev1:1 says (basically) that the "FUTURE" aspects of that Book (1:19c / 4:1 / 1:1 [also 7:3] <--compare the wording in these verses) "things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN (not adverbs)]". I believe this "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period (parallel with a cpl other places where this phrase is used) refers to the specific, limited, future time-period commonly called the "7-yr trib" (which FOLLOWS "our Rapture" [I believe the "was found" word in 5:4 shows that that section follows a "searching judgment," for example, as I've gone into in past posts... as well as Rev5:9 [per the manuscript evidence] saying "US"... etc [other reasons I've shown]).

"The Day of the Lord" (which INCLUDES "judgments as well as the "BLESSINGS" that follow the judgments) is a time period of MUCH DURATION; and 1Th5:2-3 says that it ARRIVES at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (the FIRST one Jesus listed in His Olivet Discourse [Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ('a certain one' bringing deception)], with MANY MORE "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that follow on from that INITIAL one; and the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" [which, if you recall I said they are parallel the SEALS] would be SEAL #1; and this then would also be parallel to the "whose COMING/ARRIVAL/advent/presence/parousia" of 2Th2:9a's "man of sin" at the START of the "7-yr period" [parallel Dan9:27a(26)'s wording], where both passages [2Th2 and Dan9:27] cover the ENTIRE 7-yr trib, not merely 3.5 yrs of it).

I could go into more detail, but most people find it too tedious to follow, so I will quit here (I'm sure I've already lost a lot of readers by this point )



[p.s. would appreciate, if you would, your giving a hint of feedback, like providing a blurb about what point it is you think I've made (re: your Q), so I can tell if it "got through" (even if you disagree ). Thanks]

1 You believe the book of Revelation was written after AD 70, I don't.
2 I agree with the quickness part.
3 There is no 7 year tribulation in the bible.
4 Agree the day of Lord is judgement and blessings.
5 I don't agree that the revealing of the man of sin starts the tribulation.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Daniel 9:27 is JESUS and not the antichrist.

The info in Daniel 9:24-27 is sequential.

 

[SpoonJuly]

No
he was killed at the end of the 69th week

your time line is off

Jesus was introduced as messiah when he rode in on a donkey as the prophecy fortold

he died a few days later

He was introduced at His baptism. Anounced from Heaven.

 

[KJV1611]

All I'm asking is (for one thing), do believe there is a difference in the "singular 'you'" and the "plural 'you'" (esp in this verse... but also elsewhere like when we use common language amongst ourselves, is there a difference in the two uses)?? One meaning, "you [personally and individually]"; and the other meaning, "you [corporately, like 'y'all']"?

Yes I agree there is a plural you.

 

[tourist]

The obamanation that make it desolate was when Babylon came in on the holy ground around the temple which was the courtyard they were not post to be on the holy of ground around the temple,

The obamanation ended on January 20, 2017 @ 12 noon.

 

[KJV1611]

Okay, read my Post #16 (I've yet to see a response from you regarding that "condensed version" of my first point)

I think I responded to that one already.