Epic Bible Study: Elijah the Tishbite

[RedTent]

The Hebrew word used for "two" when they chose the bulls meant two that were not equal, so by giving ba'al the choice, they could choose the superior bull.

I think it is interesting that idol worshippers used animal sacrifice, just as God's people did. There was, however, a HUGE difference. God had Hebrews use blood for atonement, or forgiveness of sins, as a symbol or shadow of the blood of Christ.

Animals were sacrificed to idols to feed them, they thought, in order to gain that god's favor so he would supply them with good things. When the Hebrews sacrificed with this idea God rejected the sacrifice. We are to go to Christ with repentance and for forgiveness, only.

Isa_1:11 "What are all your sacrifices to Me?" asks the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.

The NT expresses this idea over and over. God is very interested in what we do, but it isn't the act of doing something that counts, it is the thoughts we have about it. Scripture says we must act with spirit and truth. We are to put on Christ. We are to listen to the Holy Spirit. We are told it is important what we do, for God never cancelled His law, but we are to have the right spirit as we do.

 

[guestno2]

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And they cried aloud...

Its maybe weird but each time when I am in pentecostal church and I’m feeling weird about all that noise this verse together with one from 19 ch. (but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so, when Elijah heard Him) is always came to my mind … And it somehow comforts me. I can be in fellowship with my Lord and same time I don’t have to shout or dance or whatever else.

ps Im not saying that my brothers and sisters in pent. ch. not crying and shouting and praying to God. Not at all. My point was that not always we have to do such a noise.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Elijah is a great model of how to get depressed, being depressed, and letting God confront you in your depression

 

[RedTent]

Elijah is a great model of how to get depressed, being depressed, and letting God confront you in your depression

I thought the guy did remarkable well. He didn't get depressed until he saw all the work he did all his life didn't amount to anything, even when he showed the world Jehovah was the true God. God pulled him out of that funk.

We complain if we are isolated from people, and he had to hide from everyone or Jezebel would have him killed. She had the FBI and other governments out to get him, he couldn't show his face anywhere. He had ravens and a widow woman he had nothing in common with as his only company, even going to the store for groceries was out. He was a wanted man and it was death if he was found.

I sure wouldn't have been calm about it like he was.

 

[weakness]

I don't think we have to turn everything in scripture into a special meaning to make it more interesting- the oil in the pot, the cake of bread. - God takes care of His children when they walk out in faith - that is what happened - simple faith and obedience goes a long way with the Lord

I don't think anybody is turning this into some "special" meaning. Whhen was the last time you,through the lord, stopped the rain for three years? Or went to Obama and told him he is in sin? Or when did the ravens feed you by a brook? Very few would even go sit by the brook let alone.... May be your simple faith is just a little to simple , or more so a little lacking.Your post was like water on a fire to me. Just my humble opinion, tutor of Gods creation.

 

[weakness]

Elijah is a great model of how to get depressed, being depressed, and letting God confront you in your depression

Sorry I must disagree again. Elijah, a good way to get depressed? Would you rather have all the false prophets around you soothing you conscience with lies? Elijah was standing and obeying God. He was trouble that there were not many others that were. But the father had some reserves Elijah did'nt know about.Just like it will probobly happen when the lord returns. Will he find faith on earth?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Heh well to deal with the "Elijah depression episode" that is kinda what will be our next story. However before I move onto that (will post it a little bit later today) I just wanted to share some thoughts over what we all ready read.

Really to kind of tie in our story of the Widow and the last story again I am intrigued here by the example of Faith and Doubt. Now of course there are many other things we can read into this story, but this is merely one of the big themes for me personally, since I have had the background of being an atheist naturally it always intrigue me why people have faith. Don't worry much though, for I see now why, and it is for good reason too.

Again Obadiah and Elijah's meeting just in itself is pretty great so that is the focus of my comment here. I feel as if our next story of Elijah will help me better flesh out a comment on the Elijah's most excellent proving of Baal to be a no-god (just a note, Baal is all ready dead, perhaps I should have titled the episode Elijah Overkills Baal lol.)

However observe just the simple interaction between Elijah and Obadiah. Like I said I personally always assumed Obadiah is the same Obadiah of book of Obadiah, though I could be wrong as the text doesn't outright specify him as such like it does later when we encounter Jonah in the second books of Kings (identified as Son of Amoz in book of Kings and son of Amoz by his own hand in his book, thus we know its the same Jonah.)

Really though just for the possibility of this being the same Obadiah always blew my mind lol. Reading his works its easy to think of Obadiah as some sort of ancient action hero in an action movie lol. In reality though when we meet Obadiah from a third party perspective he's actually quite meek and even somewhat scared, not without good reason though that is lol By which I mean he is basically in a ye olde schindler's list type situation to use a modern parable so he has good reason to be a little more low key.

Now like I said tying in with government and obedience. Obadiah is a servant of Ahab either way be he the same writer as book of Obadiah or just a simple civil servant in the Kingdom of Israel. But Obadiah doesn't worship Baal and the other abominations. Obadiah fears the LORD and has saved away the LORD's prophets from Jezebel's genocide. So Obadiah actually has great faith in the LORD. Now though we see a little doubt in Obadiah when Elijah meets up with him. Though Obadiah doesn't doubt in the LORD, he simply doubts in himself and in Elijah a little bit.

In fact Obadiah seems a lil surprised and shocked to see Elijah, surely knowing Elijah's status as one of the Kingdom of Israel's Top Most Wanted Men lol. Now Obadiah shows also he doesn't hate Elijah, in fact he shows him great respect, recognizing that he obviously regards Elijah as a servant of God. However, where Obadiah's doubt arises is when Elijah pretty much tells him to go tell Ahab that hey, Elijah the most wanted man in Israel that your wife is trying to kill wants to talk with you. Obadiah is of course bluntly honest about his fear that if he goes to tell Ahab this and Elijah escapes away, that Ahab or Jezebel will pretty much kill him.

Awesomely enough Elijah reassures Obadiah that he will indeed meet with Ahab that day. Obadiah then shows great courage with just the simple sentence that shows he questions Elijah no further and goes off and informs Ahab that Elijah wishes to speak with him. And we know Obadiah did indeed tell Ahab, because Elijah had a lil mission to prove that Baal and his worshippers are all ready dead and trully the LORD liveth.

Heh though I am getting ahead of myself now, I will be able to flesh out my thoughts and comments on this episode after we get to the next set of stories about Elijah which helps us understand many of the individuals in this Epics reactions to the LORD proving his might to the children of Israel, and indeed the whole world.

I'll wait a couple hours before posting the next part of the story though, let ya'll get any thoughts in on what we have gone over all ready, lol though I see that once again the discussion sows all your eagerness to move to the next story as you all have commented much all ready on what we shall examine next lol.

 

[RedTent]

I've been studying Elijah along with this thread, and one of the studies had such an interesting point about verse 21. 21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

The study relates it to Rev. 3: 15 I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were cold or hot. 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I’m rich; I have become wealthy and need nothing,’ and you don’t know that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked, 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire so that you may be rich, white clothes so that you may be dressed and your shameful nakedness not be exposed, and ointment to spread on your eyes so that you may see.

Elijah had called all the Israelites to come watch, and they were watching, open to hearing from both Gods. They had one foot in the worship of God and one in using Baal for getting good crops for them, just as men are today, as they look to the world and government to supply them.

Christ has this to say about it: Mat_6:24 "No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot be slaves of God and of money.

My commentator on 1 Kings had this comment: "Notice how these two passages of Revelation are but patterns taken from our narrative of Elijah and his war against Ba’al. The warning to the ancient Hebrews by God through Elijah, and the same warning made by the same God through Messiah directly to us His church is this: we deceive ourselves to think that we can be in union with sin and with Him at the same time. We cannot add paganism to our worship of God and thereby “Christianize” it and deem it holy. We cannot sit on the fence saying “it’s all good”, because I’m a believer I’m OK, you’re OK; we’ll serve the world for 6 days and serve God on the 7th day. We can’t roll our own personal religion that suites us. And even though we think we can do these things, and that God will accept them, He does not and will not in any time, era, or dispensation. We deceive ourselves to our peril with such a mindset. Understand: Messiah’s message in Revelation is not hypothetical. He is addressing the real church as it is and as He sees it. And a church is not buildings or places but rather it is people; it is but an assembly of believers so we are each individually responsible for our choices.”

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well I suppose we shall continue our story. I will comment more on this later, but since everyone is talking about Elijah's "depression" I am not too sure if he was depressed. He seemed somewhat fulfilled to me after proving Baal to be a no-god. So my assumption was he was merely content to die at this point, yet indeed God is Salvation and the LORD still has plans for Elijah and reassures him awesomely. However I suppose I will comment on this later when I have a bit more time.

So without further ado, on with our story! (1 King Chapter 19)

The LORD Reassures Elijah

19 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by to morrow about this time.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba, which belongeth to Judah, and left his servant there.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O Lord, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as he lay and slept under a juniper tree, behold, then an angel touched him, and said unto him, Arise and eat.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he looked, and, behold, there was a cake baken on the coals, and a cruse of water at his head. And he did eat and drink, and laid him down again.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the angel of the Lord came again the second time, and touched him, and said, Arise and eat; because the journey is too great for thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.


Elisha Follows Elijah

[SUP]19 [/SUP]So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And he left the oxen, and ran after Elijah, and said, Let me, I pray thee, kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow thee. And he said unto him, Go back again: for what have I done to thee?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And he returned back from him, and took a yoke of oxen, and slew them, and boiled their flesh with the instruments of the oxen, and gave unto the people, and they did eat. Then he arose, and went after Elijah, and ministered unto him.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well I was going to make some commentation on the previous chapter, but I suppose it explained itself.

Just a note, I am skipping 1 Kings Chapter 20 which deals with a few unnamed prophets and Ahab fighting Ben-Hadad the King of Syria. The reason I will skip this chapter is due to the primary focus of this study on Elijah before God took him up to the heavens. Though I would still highly recommend reading Chapter 20 for the greater context of the time period and events during Elijah's Epic.

And without further ado, the story continues... (1 Kings Chapter 21)

Naboth Refuses King Ahab

21 And it came to pass after these things, that Naboth the Jezreelite had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the palace of Ahab king of Samaria.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And Ahab spake unto Naboth, saying, Give me thy vineyard, that I may have it for a garden of herbs, because it is near unto my house: and I will give thee for it a better vineyard than it; or, if it seem good to thee, I will give thee the worth of it in money.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And Naboth said to Ahab, The Lord forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Ahab came into his house heavy and displeased because of the word which Naboth the Jezreelite had spoken to him: for he had said, I will not give thee the inheritance of my fathers. And he laid him down upon his bed, and turned away his face, and would eat no bread.

Jezebel Has Naboth Murdered

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But Jezebel his wife came to him, and said unto him, Why is thy spirit so sad, that thou eatest no bread?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he said unto her, Because I spake unto Naboth the Jezreelite, and said unto him, Give me thy vineyard for money; or else, if it please thee, I will give thee another vineyard for it: and he answered, I will not give thee my vineyard.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And Jezebel his wife said unto him, Dost thou now govern the kingdom of Israel? arise, and eat bread, and let thine heart be merry: I will give thee the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So she wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And she wrote in the letters, saying, Proclaim a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the men of his city, even the elders and the nobles who were the inhabitants in his city, did as Jezebel had sent unto them, and as it was written in the letters which she had sent unto them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]They proclaimed a fast, and set Naboth on high among the people.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came in two men, children of Belial, and sat before him: and the men of Belial witnessed against him, even against Naboth, in the presence of the people, saying, Naboth did blaspheme God and the king. Then they carried him forth out of the city, and stoned him with stones, that he died.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then they sent to Jezebel, saying, Naboth is stoned, and is dead.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when Jezebel heard that Naboth was stoned, and was dead, that Jezebel said to Ahab, Arise, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give thee for money: for Naboth is not alive, but dead.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, that Ahab rose up to go down to the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, to take possession of it.

Elijah Prophesies the Doom of House Ahab to Ahab's Face

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, which is in Samaria: behold, he is in the vineyard of Naboth, whither he is gone down to possess it.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the Lord, Hast thou killed, and also taken possession? And thou shalt speak unto him, saying, Thus saith the Lord, In the place where dogs licked the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick thy blood, even thine.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Ahab said to Elijah, Hast thou found me, O mine enemy? And he answered, I have found thee: because thou hast sold thyself to work evil in the sight of the Lord.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And will make thine house like the house of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and like the house of Baasha the son of Ahijah, for the provocation wherewith thou hast provoked me to anger, and made Israel to sin.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And of Jezebel also spake the Lord, saying, The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Him that dieth of Ahab in the city the dogs shall eat; and him that dieth in the field shall the fowls of the air eat.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the Lord, whom Jezebel his wife stirred up.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And he did very abominably in following idols, according to all things as did the Amorites, whom the Lord cast out before the children of Israel.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when Ahab heard those words, that he rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his flesh, and fasted, and lay in sackcloth, and went softly.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

 

[guestno2]

she certainly was dangerous... but I mean she was also smart... dangerously smart.. evil kind of smart... but smart
Best example how woman can ruin and corrupt man ...
Did you anyone ...someone... I mean anybody.. hear about Jezebel spirit?
There was a time (in my homechurch) when this term (jezebel spirit) was quit frequently used and sometimes perhaps also abused in association with certain types of women (yes, also in the church, christian women) ...
I mean with certain type of women behavior, I mean sin.. sin.. you know? You know what I mean? Anybody? What you think about that... is it just unreasonably exaggerated thing ... or

 

[TheAristocat]

Here's something I'd like to hear an explanation on:

Matthew 17:10-13 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?” Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

 

[thecreationtutor]

I don't think anybody is turning this into some "special" meaning. Whhen was the last time you,through the lord, stopped the rain for three years? Or went to Obama and told him he is in sin? Or when did the ravens feed you by a brook? Very few would even go sit by the brook let alone.... May be your simple faith is just a little to simple , or more so a little lacking.Your post was like water on a fire to me. Just my humble opinion, tutor of Gods creation.

a humble opinion doesn't require someone to write "humble opinion"

 

[thecreationtutor]

Sorry I must disagree again. Elijah, a good way to get depressed? Would you rather have all the false prophets around you soothing you conscience with lies? Elijah was standing and obeying God. He was trouble that there were not many others that were. But the father had some reserves Elijah didn't know about.Just like it will probably happen when the lord returns. Will he find faith on earth?

Look at the rest of the Story of Elijah

 

[thecreationtutor]

So without further ado, on with our story! (1 King Chapter 19)

The LORD Reassures Elijah

19 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by to morrow about this time.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba, which belongeth to Judah, and left his servant there.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O Lord, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as he lay and slept under a juniper tree, behold, then an angel touched him, and said unto him, Arise and eat.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he looked, and, behold, there was a cake baken on the coals, and a cruse of water at his head. And he did eat and drink, and laid him down again.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the angel of the Lord came again the second time, and touched him, and said, Arise and eat; because the journey is too great for thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he said, I have been very jealous for the Lord God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jehu the son of Nimshi shalt thou anoint to be king over Israel: and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abelmeholah shalt thou anoint to be prophet in thy room.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that him that escapeth the sword of Hazael shall Jehu slay: and him that escapeth from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha slay.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
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Depression - temporary emotional state - with exaggerated sadness/hoplessness, that is not based on reality or consistent with what one is going through

Downcast - immediate, Discouragement - pattern - Depression - doesn't go away, and Despair - nothing will ever change

The timing of Depression in Elijah
-intense ministry output - 3 yrs no rain - the widow and her son - confronting Ahab
-relational conflict - killed all the Ba'al worshipers
-physical exhaustion - killing people and running like crazy
-After a major victory - God is God - but not all the people repent

3 Easy steps Elijah took, towards Depression
1) get to a place by yourself - You want to be alone - can't have someone come with cupcakes to your pity party
2)Focus on the negative
3) Forget God's provision

3 Steps out of depression
1) Let God confront you
2) let God reveal Himself to you
3) Receive God's PRovision

Notice Elijah wasn't scared of the big stuff God did - the whirlwind, the earthquake, or the fire - but was Terrified of the small voice confronting him personally.

40 days and 40 nights of fasting did not change Elijah - he sill had and answered the same way to God

 

[GodIsSalvation]

she certainly was dangerous... but I mean she was also smart... dangerously smart.. evil kind of smart... but smart
Best example how woman can ruin and corrupt man ...
Did you anyone ...someone... I mean anybody.. hear about Jezebel spirit?
There was a time (in my homechurch) when this term (jezebel spirit) was quit frequently used and sometimes perhaps also abused in association with certain types of women (yes, also in the church, christian women) ...
I mean with certain type of women behavior, I mean sin.. sin.. you know? You know what I mean? Anybody? What you think about that... is it just unreasonably exaggerated thing ... or

Not sure if I'd call Jezebel too smart considerring Elijah's prophecy against her would indeed come true and the dogs ate her up after she was thrown from the walls and splattered.

Not too sure how Slovaks use the term "Jezebel or Jezebel Spirit" as an epithet, but I know in American Commoner Folk Slang to call a woman "a Jezebel" is basically an insult most often used by a mother to insult a daughter-in-law that is basically using/corrupting her son and/or cheating on him. Lol, I actually have heard this insult hurled around many times before I even knew who Jezebel was.

Quite fitting I must say.

While we're on insults in the Commoner Tongue I have to add that I always thought Elijah dogging out Ahab by calling him "him that pisseth against the wall" is one of the greatest biblical insults ever.

 

[thecreationtutor]

she certainly was dangerous... but I mean she was also smart... dangerously smart.. evil kind of smart... but smart
Best example how woman can ruin and corrupt man ...
Did you anyone ...someone... I mean anybody.. hear about Jezebel spirit?
There was a time (in my homechurch) when this term (jezebel spirit) was quit frequently used and sometimes perhaps also abused in association with certain types of women (yes, also in the church, christian women) ...
I mean with certain type of women behavior, I mean sin.. sin.. you know? You know what I mean? Anybody? What you think about that... is it just unreasonably exaggerated thing ... or

Spirit usually refers to emotional energy - there isn't like a "spirit of Jezebel" that lands on people - people have proclivity towards sin, that usually patterns after their family, but also is shaped by their own sinful choices. To be like Jezebel - is to have the same behavior and sin patterns as she had.

She willfully deceived people, She manipulated people to get what she wanted, She used her looks to get what she wanted, She reviled in her own sin and the sin of others.

 

[guestno2]

Not sure if I'd call Jezebel too smart considerring Elijah's prophecy against her would indeed come true and the dogs ate her up after she was thrown from the walls and splattered.

Why are you overtaking such a interesting events like her death?

Not too sure how Slovaks use the term "Jezebel or Jezebel Spirit" as an epithet, but I know in American Commoner Folk Slang to call a woman "a Jezebel" is basically an insult most often used by a mother to insult a daughter-in-law that is basically using/corrupting her son and/or cheating on him. Lol, I actually have heard this insult hurled around many times before I even knew who Jezebel was.

Quite fitting I must say.

While we're on insults in the Commoner Tongue I have to add that I always thought Elijah dogging out Ahab by calling him "him that pisseth against the wall" is one of the greatest biblical insults ever.

NO, we do not use that term for that kind of insult ... It is against... I mean.. family relationships in sk are much closer and more ..hmmmm complex and interlinked ... and..
anyway I personally do not know anyone in my homechurche who would even do something like that.. cheating ... what I meant was mostly spiritual matter ... somehow allure from Lord Jesus and manipulate and use her good looks or charm
Btw, Jezebel did not cheat on Ahab, or did she?

... and yes Elijah rocks with his ..ehm statements

 

[guestno2]

To be like Jezebel
She willfully deceived people, She manipulated people to get what she wanted, She used her looks to get what she wanted, She reviled in her own sin and the sin of others.

yes, that's what I thought.. of course that we don't think that there is Jezebel spirit somehow flying here and randomly possessing people... its like you said ... acting like her ..same behavior and sin patterns.. but in confrontation with this kind of people (women) we (not me of course, elders) use that term (Jezebel spirit)

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Why are you overtaking such a interesting events like her death?



NO, we do not use that term for that kind of insult ... It is against... I mean.. family relationships in sk are much closer and more ..hmmmm complex and interlinked ... and..
anyway I personally do not know anyone in my homechurche who would even do something like that.. cheating ... what I meant was mostly spiritual matter ... somehow allure from Lord Jesus and manipulate and use her good looks or charm
Btw, Jezebel did not cheat on Ahab, or did she?

... and yes Elijah rocks with his ..ehm statements

Heh well Jezebel's death happens after Elijah being taken up to the heavens, so I was planning to end the Epic Study of Elijah there (though I do see what you mean, death of Jezebel is kinda like a climax of the story with her being something of Elijah's archrival. Perhaps I will fit this event in there as some sort of Epilogue when we reach the end of our Epic.)

As far as Jezebel cheating on Ahab, the Bible never says this, but in America to call someone a "Jezebel" is sort of a folk insult and her name has become something of an adjective rather than a proper noun. Many people who use it (typically commoner class) don't even know Jezebel was a real person or that she is in the Bible even lol.

Interesting on the Slovak usage of "Jezebel or Spirit of Jezebel" this is something similar to how we use it, essentially meaning a seductress and manipulator especially when used by a mother to describe a daughter-in-law that she doesn't like lol.

Heh makes me wonder though; how Slovaks know Jezebel was even pretty looking? She may have been or may not have been, but I think the point is same that she was such a villainess regardless of looks or marital fidelity to Ahab that her name has pretty much become an insult throughout history and various cultures.