Escape the Bondage of Churches!!

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Ramon

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Churches use doctrines to make proselytes. If you don't keep their doctrines you, ''DON'T KNOW GOD!''

If you don't give them your money, ''YOU ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO GOD.'' Strange? Not so much.

These people preach devil doctrines to keep you in bondage to an organization and not to God. Even in desiring disciples of themselves, they prevent you from going anywhere without the church approving.

They don't want you to know Jesus and be saved. They want you to be obedient to them, and to take your money. Jesus calls them idolaters. Robbers and thieves.

They hold people grip by doctrines, even saying, ''THUS SAYS THE LORD,'' when the Lord has not said a THING to them.

Lying divinations and false visions. Waves and waves, and VIOLENT waves of doctrines that seduce the masses. Satan is behind it all.

The only way to be saved from these devils is to seek Jesus Christ WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Fall at his feet, PRAY for his mercy. PRAY THAT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM EVIL!!
PRAY THAT HE TEACHES YOU THE TRUTH!!

DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!! NOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS!! LEAN ON JESUS!!

Only way to know the truth is by him. Escape the bondage of Church, and live FREE in Christ, in freedom of obedience to him in love.

May Jesus bless you.
 
pickles

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Ramon, yes to there being false docterines and corruption, but no to rejecting His churches.
If one goes for self, they can be misled, and will know only corruption.
But if one goes in Jesus, they witness to and recieve His witness, simply because it is in our weaknesses, that God's power is made perfect.:)
Just a bit of faith to chew on in Jesus. :)

God bless.
pickles
 
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Laodicea

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Ramon said:
Churches use doctrines to make proselytes. If you don't keep their doctrines you, ''DON'T KNOW GOD!''

If you don't give them your money, ''YOU ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO GOD.'' Strange? Not so much.

These people preach devil doctrines to keep you in bondage to an organization and not to God. Even in desiring disciples of themselves, they prevent you from going anywhere without the church approving.

They don't want you to know Jesus and be saved. They want you to be obedient to them, and to take your money. Jesus calls them idolaters. Robbers and thieves.

They hold people grip by doctrines, even saying, ''THUS SAYS THE LORD,'' when the Lord has not said a THING to them.

Lying divinations and false visions. Waves and waves, and VIOLENT waves of doctrines that seduce the masses. Satan is behind it all.

The only way to be saved from these devils is to seek Jesus Christ WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Fall at his feet, PRAY for his mercy. PRAY THAT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM EVIL!!
PRAY THAT HE TEACHES YOU THE TRUTH!!

DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!! NOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS!! LEAN ON JESUS!!

Only way to know the truth is by him. Escape the bondage of Church, and live FREE in Christ, in freedom of obedience to him in love.

May Jesus bless you.
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So are you against every church? God knows that there is good and bad in His church. God even directed Paul to the church.
 
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God has His own churches that are not every church that calls themself a church!

Markers-

Baptism of people who have already been converted-- no baptism connected to eternal salvation and no infant baptism

Tithing and Lords Supper as ordinances

The bible as sole rule of faith on all matters.. the infallible, inerrant Word of God

Seperation of churches from government and state

Eternal salvation by grace alone.. thru faith in Jesus Christ

Carries out the Great Commission and Great Commandment

All members are saved and baptised

One triune God.. God the Son.. God the Father.. God the Holy Spirit

These are some of the markers of God's real churches.. all about Jesus' deity and honoring His Word and His New Testament ordinances for a church
 
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Abiding

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Inner affections draw to you the church you go to...if your affections come from your carnal mind then a false church will suit you
If they come from your new heart and are Godly affections they will be drawn to a good church.

So really you get the church you deserve.
 
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pickles said:
Ramon, yes to there being false docterines and corruption, but no to rejecting His churches.
If one goes for self, they can be misled, and will know only corruption.
But if one goes in Jesus, they witness to and recieve His witness, simply because it is in our weaknesses, that God's power is made perfect.:)
Just a bit of faith to chew on in Jesus. :)

God bless.
pickles
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thanks pickles :)
 
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Scotth1960

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Ramon said:
Churches use doctrines to make proselytes. If you don't keep their doctrines you, ''DON'T KNOW GOD!''

If you don't give them your money, ''YOU ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO GOD.'' Strange? Not so much.

These people preach devil doctrines to keep you in bondage to an organization and not to God. Even in desiring disciples of themselves, they prevent you from going anywhere without the church approving.

They don't want you to know Jesus and be saved. They want you to be obedient to them, and to take your money. Jesus calls them idolaters. Robbers and thieves.

They hold people grip by doctrines, even saying, ''THUS SAYS THE LORD,'' when the Lord has not said a THING to them.

Lying divinations and false visions. Waves and waves, and VIOLENT waves of doctrines that seduce the masses. Satan is behind it all.

The only way to be saved from these devils is to seek Jesus Christ WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Fall at his feet, PRAY for his mercy. PRAY THAT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM EVIL!!
PRAY THAT HE TEACHES YOU THE TRUTH!!

DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!! NOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS!! LEAN ON JESUS!!

Only way to know the truth is by him. Escape the bondage of Church, and live FREE in Christ, in freedom of obedience to him in love.

May Jesus bless you.
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None of these "churches" are the Church Christ founded, and, therefore, they are not really churches at all. Not everything man calls a "church" is really a church. Just look at Mormonism, for example!
Escape the bondage of calling something a church that is not the Church that Christ founded!

 
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Ramon it sounds really easy to be a Christian with you: don't go to church, don't read the bible and most of all don't actually have any contact with anyone outside of the church.
 
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Wow we sure can read things differently, when I read the thread starter I thought it was to be guarded in what is being taught, not to just eat up everything as truth straight up especially when it doesn't line up with Gods Word.

Sometimes we just look for one word or sentence to latch onto and take the whole thing out of context to what is being attempted to convey instead of trying to understand it better.

I could be wrong but surely not what I got out of it, I stand by my statement on beware what's being fed up as the word of God in teachings
 
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Its not doctrines that are the bondage (we all need to learn from teachers), its really the worship which is lacking more than anything else. The churches nowadays do not have a pure and holy form of worship, they only have worship that is created by the minds of earthly minded men. It is not a worship which is in Spirit and in Truth, it is not a worship that expresses the otherworldliness of Christianity. It is a worship of worldliness and of materialism. This is the dilemma that Protestant Christians face today, "how do we worship God?", "how are we to make our worship services?". These are the questions which are left mostly answered by, "well, we worship God by praise and hymns", but which hymns? hymns that were created less than 100 years ago? The way that I see it is that there has been some major malfunction and failures on the part of the Churches to conform to one way of worship and one Faith, by which we can have a unity of the Faith. This unity of Faith is the Faith which has been preserved uncorrupted by heresies, and unaltered over the past generations. This is the Faith which Protestant Christians have lost, and so they have gone all over hell's half acre to re-write again what they have lost. What they have lost is conformity to the original Gospel; one unity in worship, and one unity in teachings - a unity of the Faith.
 
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My brother,

The downfall of man is pride..a builing created for fellowship and prsise and worship to our Father in heaven is but a building if it has not the Holy Spirit leading it and roaming free in it.No man can lead a flock unless he is of God and true to the Word,so many who claim to be followers of Christ are Spiritfilled yet have not claimed ownership of the Holy Spirit within them and do not walk in the Spirit.Never a religion will bring a man to God only his realtionship will.Many churches of today have failed regardless of their titles,let us pray for all of them and give the Love of Christ to all,God Bless you my brother.
 
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Ramon said:
Churches use doctrines to make proselytes. If you don't keep their doctrines you, ''DON'T KNOW GOD!''

If you don't give them your money, ''YOU ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO GOD.'' Strange? Not so much.

These people preach devil doctrines to keep you in bondage to an organization and not to God. Even in desiring disciples of themselves, they prevent you from going anywhere without the church approving.

They don't want you to know Jesus and be saved. They want you to be obedient to them, and to take your money. Jesus calls them idolaters. Robbers and thieves.

They hold people grip by doctrines, even saying, ''THUS SAYS THE LORD,'' when the Lord has not said a THING to them.

Lying divinations and false visions. Waves and waves, and VIOLENT waves of doctrines that seduce the masses. Satan is behind it all.

The only way to be saved from these devils is to seek Jesus Christ WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Fall at his feet, PRAY for his mercy. PRAY THAT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM EVIL!!
PRAY THAT HE TEACHES YOU THE TRUTH!!

DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!! NOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS!! LEAN ON JESUS!!

Only way to know the truth is by him. Escape the bondage of Church, and live FREE in Christ, in freedom of obedience to him in love.

May Jesus bless you.
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Seen one of those churches up front have to pray at my altar or God can't hear you. have to do this and this or you can't worship, had so many false rules was a nightmare. Lots sucking it right in too.
 
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Ramon said:
Churches use doctrines to make proselytes. If you don't keep their doctrines you, ''DON'T KNOW GOD!''

If you don't give them your money, ''YOU ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO GOD.'' Strange? Not so much.

These people preach devil doctrines to keep you in bondage to an organization and not to God. Even in desiring disciples of themselves, they prevent you from going anywhere without the church approving.

They don't want you to know Jesus and be saved. They want you to be obedient to them, and to take your money. Jesus calls them idolaters. Robbers and thieves.

They hold people grip by doctrines, even saying, ''THUS SAYS THE LORD,'' when the Lord has not said a THING to them.

Lying divinations and false visions. Waves and waves, and VIOLENT waves of doctrines that seduce the masses. Satan is behind it all.

The only way to be saved from these devils is to seek Jesus Christ WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Fall at his feet, PRAY for his mercy. PRAY THAT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM EVIL!!
PRAY THAT HE TEACHES YOU THE TRUTH!!

DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!! NOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS!! LEAN ON JESUS!!

Only way to know the truth is by him. Escape the bondage of Church, and live FREE in Christ, in freedom of obedience to him in love.

May Jesus bless you.
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Couldnt agree more.
 
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leelee said:
Ramon it sounds really easy to be a Christian with you: don't go to church, don't read the bible and most of all don't actually have any contact with anyone outside of the church.
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Did Ramon say not to read the Bible?
 
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Ramon said:
Churches use doctrines to make proselytes. If you don't keep their doctrines you, ''DON'T KNOW GOD!''

If you don't give them your money, ''YOU ARE NOT OBEDIENT TO GOD.'' Strange? Not so much.

These people preach devil doctrines to keep you in bondage to an organization and not to God. Even in desiring disciples of themselves, they prevent you from going anywhere without the church approving.

They don't want you to know Jesus and be saved. They want you to be obedient to them, and to take your money. Jesus calls them idolaters. Robbers and thieves.

They hold people grip by doctrines, even saying, ''THUS SAYS THE LORD,'' when the Lord has not said a THING to them.

Lying divinations and false visions. Waves and waves, and VIOLENT waves of doctrines that seduce the masses. Satan is behind it all.

The only way to be saved from these devils is to seek Jesus Christ WHOLEHEARTEDLY! Fall at his feet, PRAY for his mercy. PRAY THAT HE DELIVERS YOU FROM EVIL!!
PRAY THAT HE TEACHES YOU THE TRUTH!!

DON'T LEAN TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING!! NOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHERS!! LEAN ON JESUS!!

Only way to know the truth is by him. Escape the bondage of Church, and live FREE in Christ, in freedom of obedience to him in love.

May Jesus bless you.
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I find that I agree with my Church even when I do independent studies. I really agree for the most part with my denomination. I believe they are one of the closest denominations to the truth. I must agree with you a little. Churches are not teaching the whole Bible. You would have to study yourself at home. It's sad but alot of pastors are afraid to preach everything in the Bible. It would blow a congregation away to hear what God says about things in the Bible. Marriage is a good example. Alot of Churches are against Jesus' teaching on marriage in Matthew 5 and Matthew 19. I have only found a few people willing to teach on this subject in my denomination, mostly in Bible College. I went to an independent Bible College of my denomination. Which is like a techinacality because it's still the same denomination. Churches are not all evil. I have to disagree with that. Churches can be glorious, if you find the right one.
 
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i've been set free from bondage to SIN.
i have had Agape Love shed in my heart.
i have a love for the family of God.
having found a church i love, i will keep going and worship my God and hear His words taught.
take the wine and bread and fellowship with my brothers and sisters.

i do not in any way feel i will be in bondage to the church, not the people in it.

it is clean and bright, and God's Word is taught..

this what i think church should look like: people fed well from the words of the Lord.
people who care for each other.
 
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zone said:
i've been set free from bondage to SIN.
i have had Agape Love shed in my heart.
i have a love for the family of God.
having found a church i love, i will keep going and worship my God and hear His words taught.
take the wine and bread and fellowship with my brothers and sisters.

i do not in any way feel i will be in bondage to the church, not the people in it.

it is clean and bright, and God's Word is taught..

this what i think church should look like: people fed well from the words of the Lord.
people who care for each other.
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If your church teaches what you teach to others in this forum, it is just what Ramon has described in the op, and should be abandoned immediately.
 
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Scotth1960

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zone said:
i've been set free from bondage to SIN.
i have had Agape Love shed in my heart.
i have a love for the family of God.
having found a church i love, i will keep going and worship my God and hear His words taught.
take the wine and bread and fellowship with my brothers and sisters.

i do not in any way feel i will be in bondage to the church, not the people in it.

it is clean and bright, and God's Word is taught..

this what i think church should look like: people fed well from the words of the Lord.
people who care for each other.
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So, now you are from Brazil? Your jokes are getting old. And they were never funny.
It's not funny to pretend to be from various nations. It's a useless, senseless mind game. I've had plenty of vexation and trouble of mind and body, mind you. May God forgive me. May God forgive us all. Christians should be good citizens of whatever nation God has placed them in. It's not appropriate or theological to change flags like that.
God bless you!

 
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Ramon

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Spiritfilled said:
My brother,

The downfall of man is pride..a builing created for fellowship and prsise and worship to our Father in heaven is but a building if it has not the Holy Spirit leading it and roaming free in it.No man can lead a flock unless he is of God and true to the Word,so many who claim to be followers of Christ are Spiritfilled yet have not claimed ownership of the Holy Spirit within them and do not walk in the Spirit.Never a religion will bring a man to God only his realtionship will.Many churches of today have failed regardless of their titles,let us pray for all of them and give the Love of Christ to all,God Bless you my brother.
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:) Amen. May Jesus bless you.
 
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Ramon

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leelee said:
Ramon it sounds really easy to be a Christian with you: don't go to church, don't read the bible and most of all don't actually have any contact with anyone outside of the church.
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Narrow is the way that leads to life, and few find it. But broad is the way that leads to hell, and many are on that way.

It is a VERY narrow road.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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