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[zone]

God stated clearly that cursed are those who curse Israel.

im going to post this ONCE MORE for you.
then that's it.

if you keep repeating that blasphemy when the passage in question was said to abram WHILE HE WAS STILL A "GENTILE" BY THE WAY, AND REFERS TO Jesus Christ, that's your choice.

you can either look into DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY or not.


Misinterpreting Scripture (Genesis 12:3)

Every Christian would agree that the misinterpretation of scripture is the source of most, if not all, false doctrines and teachings. That is not to imply that we have to have our ducks-in-a-row 100% concerning all scripture–for, as long as we’re here on earth, we’ll be constantly learning and receiving revelation concerning God’s Word. It’s my impression God through the Holy Spirit, enlightens us to truth as we continue to study the Word.

Saying all that, I do believe the misinterpretation of certain scriptures has grown, over decades, into actual false doctrines being taught as truth, within the Church–especially in the Western Church. Genesis 12: 3 is one such scripture:

“And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
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If you’re familiar with chapter 12, then you know this is God speaking to Abraham.

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (1-3)
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In the past (and in numerous posts) I’ve pointed out those like John Hagee (CUFI) for their erroneous doctrine propagated by using this verse (3) to spread false-hood.
Such as:

Support of Israel means the support of biblical Zionism, and those who know the Bible know that it is not an option for the committed Christian.
(Jesus) taught us by His conduct that Gentiles who support Israel have His special blessing.
How important is it that Christians bless the nation of Israel and the Jewish people? God told Abraham that all anti-Semites (those who are hostile toward the Jews) are under His curse (see Gen. 12:1-3), and Jesus declared that they will come under the judgment of God during the judgment of the nations.
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Misinterpreting Scripture (Genesis 12:3) Sola Dei Gloria



Misinterpreting Genesis 12: A Critique of John Hagee's Theology

Every Christian would agree that the misinterpretation of scripture is the source of most, if not all, false doctrines and teachings. That is not to imply that we have to have our ducks-in-a-row 100% concerning all scripture–for, as long as we’re here on earth, we’ll be constantly learning and receiving revelation concerning God’s Word. It’s my impression God through the Holy Spirit, enlightens us to truth as we continue to study the Word. Saying all that, I do believe the misinterpretation of certain scriptures has grown, over decades, into actual false doctrines being taught as truth, within the Church–especially in the Western Church. Genesis 12: 3 is one such scripture: “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Full Article Here


An Alternative Evangelical Reading of Scripture, By Gary M Burge, PhD

In Genesis 12, 15 and 17 God promises the Holy Land to Abraham and his descendents. To Christian Zionists this promise of land inheritance was permanent and unconditional. And it is as true in Biblical times as it is today.

This means that for Christian Zionists, the covenant of Abraham continues to be in play today . And as Christians this forces them to have what we call a “two covenant” theology: one covenant for the Jews and one for Christians operates in the church. In a word, the work of Christ does not replace or supplant the Jewish covenant.

Reformed theologians (like myself) believe that something decisive happened in Christ. His covenant affected not simply the covenant of Moses – making a new and timeless form of salvation – but it also affected every Jewish covenant, including Abraham’s covenant. Christ fulfills the expectations of Jewish covenant life and renews the people of God rooted in the OT and Judaism. Thus Jesus is a new temple, the new Israel, there are 12 tribes/apostles, etc.
Full Article Here

 

[VW]

too late for you VW.
you're already marked as a false prophet.

you can call me an antisemite, a nazi or any other number of names to deflect from your own BLASPHEMY.....means nothing to me.

I guess it means as much to you as you calling me a false prophet.

Of course, the only reason you call me false is because you believe that there are no prophets at all, in direct contravention to scripture.

 

[zone]

Zone it saddens me to see someone attack Israel in this way, when you clearly have never been there to see what's going on. 2) Your bashing against Israel is a dangerous ground that you tread, because God stated clearly that cursed are those who curse Israel. God also said that we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Everything in scripture pertains to Israel in one way or another, and at the end Jesus will proclaim His kingdom IN ISRAEL and rule. To say that anyone who supports Israel is a betrayal of Jesus in just down right ignorant,on top of that you bash the name Yeshua which is Jesus real name in Hebrew, the letter J didn't even exist back then. I've watched you bash so many people on here, with such sarcasm and rudeness. You have so much knowledge but yet at the same time you don't know anything.Scripture also says, " Until Jerusalem says Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, He shall not return." I pray that God truly shows you His mercy and opens your eyes to the dillusion that the devil has laid over your eyes. May you truly find peace in Yeshua/Jesus. Shalom

you call this an ATTACK?

are you a jewish convert to christianity?

if no, you don't know what you're talking about.
if yes, why aren't you being honest?

(and where did i bash the name Yeshua?...if you mean my use of Yeshu, that's THE PHARISEE'S TAUNTING NAME).

btw: Until Jerusalem says Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, He shall not return

HE NEVER SAID THAT! thats not what that means

 

[Avinu]

Zone, sorry, I didn't know you were reformed, that explains everything. Shalom

 

[zone]

VW she [Zone] may not of made that stuff up anyways..but it is good to show and present still all truths known relating to scriptures on the topics of course. Hal Lindsey wrote something on this in the past / at least one book but if anything he wrote it was very good info I do not doubt it. Possibly the title is 'The Coming Holocaust' ..I think that's the name.

i haven't made ANY of it up.
anyone can spend one hour and confirm for themselves.

 

[zone]

Zone, sorry, I didn't know you were reformed, that explains everything. Shalom

whatever that means.
and what denomination are you?

 

[Avinu]

[QUOTE(and where did i bash the name Yeshua?...if you mean my use of Yeshu, that's THE PHARISEE'S TAUNTING NAME). ][/QUOTE]

Like I said, you have so much knowledge yet know nothing. If you knew the true meaning of the use of His name like that, you wouldn't use it. It is not a taunt. It's a direct offense and insult to put it mildly to His name. I'm sorry Zone. Shalom

 

[selenah]

nah....just pulled your mask off and you don't like it....

you give a verbatim first person word from a spirit you would have us believe is Jesus....and when you are exposed for what you are, zone becomes a deranged antisemitic nazi (surprise - the cheap and tawdry tool of every coward and liar)....or, is that because she won't stand for Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit, by the religion you call "godly"?

is it because she points out that messy little matter of white phosphorous ("Operation Cast Lead) sprayed onto trapped innocent civilians, many of them Christians? with millions killed over the years in the region - by YOUR complicit government, for the goals of the Talmud?

oh......israel just wants to "be safe".....

that black thing was someone's baby after poor poor israel "defended herself"

do you know what the UNPARDONABLE SIN is, Rabbi? see below in RED.

'godly israel's' Talmudists commit it every day. but you won't address it. i wonder why?

you talk to G-d everyday personally, don't you? ask Him what that boy did to deserve to have his leg blown off.






The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

1. He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2. He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3. He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Who Was Jesus?

The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.

To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7). This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law.

In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.

In the book of the prophet Daniel, this false prophet is described as a king (the eleventh horn on a terrible beast) who would wage war against the Jews (the "holy ones"; see Deut. 14:2 on this term) and would change the Law including the calendar and the holidays (Daniel 7:8, 20-25). Elsewhere, this false prophet is described as a king who would disregard the G-d of his fathers, exalting himself as a god and giving honor to this new god-head (Daniel 11:36-39).

The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a "king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away with the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkos the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.). He disregarded the one, infinite G-d of the Hebrew Bible in favor of a new "trinity" that included himself. And he repeatedly broke the Law by committing terrible sins, while openly challenging the G-d-given authority of the rabbis of the Sanhedrin.



Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law—thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":

1. Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.]
2. He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).
3. He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26).
4. 4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32, and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.]
5. Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin, repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45).

The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

1. He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2. He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3. He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

The false, rebellious message of Jesus has been thoroughly rejected by the vast majority of the Jewish people, as G-d commanded. Unfortunately, however, this same message has brought a terrible darkness upon the world; today, over 1.5 billion gentiles believe in Jesus. These lost souls mistakenly think they have found salvation in Jesus; tragically, they are in for a rude awakening. Truth and eternal life are found directly from G-d, through performing His Law. Any "mediator" only separates man from G-d:

1. "G-d is not a man, who can lie, nor the son of man, who relents... He has not beheld iniquity in Jacob, nor has He seen perverseness in Israel" (Numbers 23:19).
2. Speaking prophetically of the Christian church, Moses declared, "For their 'rock' is not like our Rock... Where is their god, in whom they trusted?" (Deut. 32:31, 37).
3. "'See now that I, only I, am He, and there is no god with Me. I kill, and I bring to life; I wound, and I heal, and there is none who can rescue from My Hand...' Sing songs of joy, gentiles, with His people, for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and will take vengeance on His enemies, and will forgive His land and His people" (Deut. 32:39, 43).
4. "I, only I am Hashem (the L-rd), and besides Me there is no savior" (Isaiah 43:11).
5. "I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god... Is there a god besides Me? There is no rock; I do not know any" (Isaiah 44:6).
6. "Israel is saved in Hashem with an eternal salvation... Assemble yourselves and come, come near together, you gentiles who have escaped [the judgment]. (They have no knowledge, those who carry wooden sculptures and who pray to a god that does not save.) Announce and bring near, even take counsel together: Who declared this from ancient times, and announced it from then? Is it not I, Hashem? And there are no other gods beside Me, nor any righteous and saving god other than Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all ends of the earth, for I am G-d and there is none else. By Myself I swore, a righteous word went out of my mouth and it will not be withdrawn, that to Me every knee will bow and every tongue will swear" (Isaiah 45:17, 20-23).

What is the true key to salvation? Those who return to the Law (the Seven Commandments for the Children of Noah, according to the eternal covenant made with Noah in Genesis 9) and who assist the Jewish people (Isaiah 60, 61, 66) will be saved and will participate in the miracles and revelations, including worshipping in the Third Temple, under the kingship of the Messiah. As described in many places, including Jeremiah 16:19-21 and Zechariah 8:20-23, all the old gentile religions of the world will disappear, and their followers will turn to the Jews for spiritual leadership. Until then, Christians are spiritually blinded, and cannot yet understand G-d's wisdom in the Bible.

Ours is the last generation of the era of sin and evil and the first of the Messianic Era. Indeed, for the first time in history, there is a growing consensus of leading rabbis willing to name the man most suited to be the Messiah, and they are agreeing that he is the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. The Rebbe is the spiritual leader of our generation, having boldly stirred up controversy over vital issues in which other leaders have remained tragically silent or have even caved in to the growing forces of darkness. He has upheld the Law perfectly and has worked mightily to strengthen the observance of the Law by Jews, as well as the observance of the Noachide Law by gentiles. Through his teaching of chasidus (Jewish mystical teachings, preserved from Moses and Mount Sinai), he has taught the world that G-d is One, the Infinite Who renews creation at every moment. The Rebbe is a direct descendant of King David and has received a true prophecy from G-d that we who are alive in this generation shall be the first in history to see the coming of the true messiah. Many Jews are eagerly anticipating the Rebbe's resurrection from the grave, ready to re-establish the Sanhedrin and anoint the king.

Our job is to finish preparing the way, by announcing the truth and bringing all of mankind back to the Law immediately. Through our divinely mandated efforts, we shall now clear the path for the return of the Garden of Eden and the establishment of the eternal sinless world promised by Isaiah and the other Biblical prophets.

~

why don't you contact some jews i know who tell the truth?
Gilad Atzmon - Writings


but of course, you'd have to have received the LOVE of the truth at any cost to yourself...so i'll assume you won't be reading this post: it's for others.

Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Zone, one of those pictures looks like one that I remember seeing about the Iraq War (was that what you were talking about). I'm probably wrong so don't feel like I'm trying to be nasty or anything. I haven't exactly been following this thread so I'm probably making myself look like a complete idiot, but I just wanted to know. Thanks

 

[Avinu]

whatever that means.
and what denomination are you?

I'm not any denomination. I stick with the Bible from Genesis/Revelation. I leave all that man made denominations alone. shalom

 

[zone]

Like I said, you have so much knowledge yet know nothing. If you knew the true meaning of the use of His name like that, you wouldn't use it. It is not a taunt. It's a direct offense and insult to put it mildly to His name. I'm sorry Zone. Shalom

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS -
THATS WHY I POSTED IT.

SO IGNORANT FALSE PROPHETS WOULD STOP UPHOLDING TALMUDISM AS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH MOSES OR YHVH.

please answer: you have the israeli flag but your home is USA:
what denomination are you?
we can get some things ironed out if you'll answer.

i know more about the talmud than you do friend.

messianic judaism?
jews for jesus?
which denomination?

 

[zone]

I'm not any denomination. I stick with the Bible from Genesis/Revelation. I leave all that man made denominations alone. shalom

are you jewish formerly?

or a gentile who loves israel?

 

[AnandaHya]

Zone, one of those pictures looks like one that I remember seeing about the Iraq War (was that what you were talking about). I'm probably wrong so don't feel like I'm trying to be nasty or anything. I haven't exactly been following this thread so I'm probably making myself look like a complete idiot, but I just wanted to know. Thanks

your not an idiot and questions are good.

my guess would be they are pictures of the Palenstines who have been injured by Israels attacks, invasion and colonization efforts.

Zone states that some of them are Christians and speaks against national Israel and some others on site take offense to that. You will just have to read and pray and decide what to believe for yourself.

 

[zone]

Zone, one of those pictures looks like one that I remember seeing about the Iraq War (was that what you were talking about). I'm probably wrong so don't feel like I'm trying to be nasty or anything. I haven't exactly been following this thread so I'm probably making myself look like a complete idiot, but I just wanted to know. Thanks

sigh.

just do a little research, okay? can you do that?

google OPERATION CAST LEAD.

 

[selenah]

sigh.

just do a little research, okay? can you do that?

google OPERATION CAST LEAD.

Okay, sorry

 

[zone]

I guess it means as much to you as you calling me a false prophet.

Of course, the only reason you call me false is because you believe that there are no prophets at all, in direct contravention to scripture.

no, the difference is i'm not antisemitic (that's one reason i FIGHT against dispensationalism which is the most antisemitic xtianity i know of - jews don't need Jesus now, they're still in COVENANT via The Law), and i'm not a nazi.

you, on the other hand, are a false prophet.

 

[Avinu]

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS -
THATS WHY I POSTED IT.

SO IGNORANT FALSE PROPHETS WOULD STOP UPHOLDING TALMUDISM AS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH MOSES OR YHVH.

please answer: you have the israeli flag but your home is USA:
what denomination are you?
we can get some things ironed out if you'll answer.

i know more about the talmud than you do friend.

messianic judaism?
jews for jesus?
which denomination?

My home is Israel, I'm here in the states right now, which is when I signed up for this chat room. I put Israel but because I'm here it put USA. I agreed with you before that the Talmud is garbage and blasphemy. I already told you I don't do man made denomination, that part of the problem with the body of Messiah. You just might know more about the Talmud than me, I know enough about it that it's trash, I never believed in the Talmud or the Mishna. My family has always been believers. Yes, I'm Hebrew, contrary to popular belief, not everyone is jewish. Jews only pertain to the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.

 

[Avinu]

Zone, one more question, why do you have such distaste and animosity towards Israel? Shalom

 

[VW]

And what does that have to do with anything? Nothing!

There is not one government in this entire world that is godly; not one. These United States are guilty of much worse, much much worse.

And in spite of what you say or believe, the Spirit of God still speaks to us, and He still is active and moving in this world. That you do not believe does not make it false.

Saying that I am affiliated with that stuff you say I am affiliated with is a lie. I am not affiliated with anything but the Holy Spirit, period. I am not with any group at all, because the Holy Spirit called me out from them. You throw around John Hagee's name. I do not listen to him, nor any other teacher. Why? Because they do not teach what the Holy spirit teaches, that we all abide in Jesus. And if you cannot see your way clear to do as His anointing teaches, they you should not be surprised when He sends judgment against you.

Jesus is the Way, the only Way that God has approved. And the only way that we can please God, is to live in Jesus. If saying that makes me a false prophet, so be it.

Wonder what group you are affiliated with? Do they believe in living in Jesus Christ?

 

[VW]

no, the difference is i'm not antisemitic (that's one reason i FIGHT against dispensationalism which is the most antisemitic xtianity i know of - jews don't need Jesus now, they're still in COVENANT via The Law), and i'm not a nazi.

you, on the other hand, are a false prophet.

One of these days, you will stop putting words I have not said or written in my mouth.

Everyone needs Jesus, Jew, Greek, white, black, man, woman, free, slave, smart and stupid.

 

[VW]

no, the difference is i'm not antisemitic (that's one reason i FIGHT against dispensationalism which is the most antisemitic xtianity i know of - jews don't need Jesus now, they're still in COVENANT via The Law), and i'm not a nazi.

you, on the other hand, are a false prophet.

I am in good company. Jesus said that they would say such things about those who follow Him, who are called to suffer in His name. They called Him a worker of miracles by the Devil.