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zone

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My home is Israel, I'm here in the states right now, which is when I signed up for this chat room. I put Israel but because I'm here it put USA. I agreed with you before that the Talmud is garbage and blasphemy. I already told you I don't do man made denomination, that part of the problem with the body of Messiah. You just might know more about the Talmud than me, I know enough about it that it's trash, I never believed in the Talmud or the Mishna. My family has always been believers. Yes, I'm Hebrew, contrary to popular belief, not everyone is jewish. Jews only pertain to the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
sigh.
i know the problem with the word jew, okay?
but that's what we are given to work with.
i'm happy that you are honest about The Talmud.

i wish you would speak up more to inform christians who have been told Judaism is Moses and the Prophets: we see the damage it has done.
 
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NoahsMom

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Everyone needs Jesus, Jew, Greek, white, black, man, woman, free, slave, smart and stupid. Amen!
 

VW

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I have had enough of this mess with Zone. I have placed her on ignore for the foreseeable future. I see nothing that she could ever say that would have any value whatsoever.
 

zone

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I am in good company. Jesus said that they would say such things about those who follow Him, who are called to suffer in His name. They called Him a worker of miracles by the Devil.
there you go again....comparing yourself to Jesus - because you have the modern day prophet's persecution complex....poor VW....the loathsome, filthy workers for Christ won't listen to the servant/prophet sent to them.
 

zone

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Everyone needs Jesus, Jew, Greek, white, black, man, woman, free, slave, smart and stupid. Amen!
AMEN! and they need Him NOW.
not in some mythical future millennium that reverts to types and shadows.
 
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Grey

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Everyone here shouldnt stoop to the level of name calling and libel, this applies to both sides.
 
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selenah

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Oh man! This is like listening to talk radio haha. Okay, now I'm going to get it. Okay sorry guys, I couldn't resist.
 

VW

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Everyone here shouldnt stoop to the level of name calling and libel, this applies to both sides.
I appologize to you for the tone of this thread. I feel partly responsible. However, whenever I post, there are some who seek to cause me trouble. I have placed one on my ignore list, and if I must I will do so with the others.

In Christ,
 

zone

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One shouldn't paraphrase but...
it's basically the same thing, Israel at that time was primarily made up of Jews, grant it Jews who didn't follow God very well but Jews never the less.
HUH?
ISRAEL DIDN'T EXIST AT THAT TIME.
GOD SAID THAT TO ABRAM whom He brought out of Ur.


and the reference of blessings for all the nations of the earth was Jesus.


I REALIZE THE TWO FOLLOWING CHAPTERS MEAN ONE ACTUALLY HAS TO READ, BUT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO READ THEM, YOU COULD SETTLE THE MATTER ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Galatians 3
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.



Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. [remember Abraham? above?] 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
 
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Grey

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Please don't defend me for the sake of attacking Zone, we know the intentions of why I said it, and we know the facts and the scripture. I no longer wanted any part of this debate after it collapsed into purposely trying to insult the other person or their heritage.
 

zone

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hey guess what wakeup knows the month and the year revelations, etc is gonna happen but he doesn't like my attitude and won't tell me. .... sigh....maybe someone else will have better luck...
ya...i saw that.:rolleyes:
 
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NoahsMom

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What does claiming to know the month and year have anything to do with eschaton made easy?
 

zone

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Zone, one more question, why do you have such distaste and animosity towards Israel? Shalom
Avinu:
i have a problem with the religious leaders in Israel pretending to be dedicated to Moses and the Prophets when all the while their religion is the satanic Babylonian Talmudism.

i have a problem with christians who can't even be bothered to make sure they KNOW why they believe what they do.

and i have a problem with Israel using the holocaust as an excuse to do the same to all the goyim around her, and do it with impunity because the western nations have either bought the same Genesis 12 blasphemy we've seen on this thread, or because the Pharisees' gentile partners (Freemasons, fronts for B'nai Brith and others) are pushing the dispensational deception KNOWINGLY.

one truthful jew once said "Israel will never forgive the Palestinians for the holocaust"...ponder that for a while.

i have nothing against individual jews and am working every week to help them see Jesus in Moses( which is nearly impossible thanks to the RABBINIC SYSTEM AND THE TALMUD).

since you are an israeli, who is also a Christian, i am disappointed that you are not more forthcoming to enlighten your brethren in The Lord to what the deception is: since you would know very well, being formerly jewish, from Israel no less.
 

zone

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What does claiming to know the month and year have anything to do with eschaton made easy?
hehehe....ya. nothing.
wakeup is playing the new Harold Camping i guess.
 

zone

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Please don't defend me for the sake of attacking Zone, we know the intentions of why I said it, and we know the facts and the scripture. I no longer wanted any part of this debate after it collapsed into purposely trying to insult the other person or their heritage.
what garbage.
this is about religious deception.

and you "Grey" know exactly what that means.

btw: why didnt you address this?


HUH?
ISRAEL DIDN'T EXIST AT THAT TIME.
GOD SAID THAT TO ABRAM whom He brought out of Ur.


and the reference of blessings for all the nations of the earth was Jesus.


I REALIZE THE TWO FOLLOWING CHAPTERS MEAN ONE ACTUALLY HAS TO READ, BUT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO READ THEM, YOU COULD SETTLE THE MATTER ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Galatians 3
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.



Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. [remember Abraham? above?] 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
 
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Grey

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I didn't adress it because to do so would cause more anger and hate. I have sinned because I didn't love you as my sister, and I realized to continue that would only create more potential sin. So even if you have different views then me I love you Zone, and I'll try to love those around me more.
 
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Avinu:
i have a problem with the religious leaders in Israel pretending to be dedicated to Moses and the Prophets when all the while their religion is the satanic Babylonian Talmudism.

i have a problem with christians who can't even be bothered to make sure they KNOW why they believe what they do.

and i have a problem with Israel using the holocaust as an excuse to do the same to all the goyim around her, and do it with impunity because the western nations have either bought the same Genesis 12 blasphemy we've seen on this thread, or because the Pharisees' gentile partners (Freemasons, fronts for B'nai Brith and others) are pushing the dispensational deception KNOWINGLY.

one truthful jew once said "Israel will never forgive the Palestinians for the holocaust"...ponder that for a while.

i have nothing against individual jews and am working every week to help them see Jesus in Moses( which is nearly impossible thanks to the RABBINIC SYSTEM AND THE TALMUD).

since you are an israeli, who is also a Christian, i am disappointed that you are not more forthcoming to enlighten your brethren in The Lord to what the deception is: since you would know very well, being formerly jewish, from Israel no less.
Zone, I agree with most of what you're saying here, that's not the problem, Israel is still where Yeshua will reign from and is the place we need to support and pray for. Like anyone else that teaches a false doctrine we are to refute them and make sure we do our job as YHWH leads us to spread His truth. You have no idea of how much I speak to my brethren about the deception of Talmud and other similar doctrine, including false doctrine under the christian titles as well. I.E. mormons, jehovah witness, etc. Try standing in front of someone with a gun trying to show them what they've been taught is a lie, and that Yeshua is the only way. Try being surrounded by muslims who hate you and your telling them that Yeshua is the true Messiah and not Mohammed, not knowing if you're going to walk away alive. Where I live there is great persecution against anyone who believes in Yeshua. The point of it all is we are to love our enemies, pray for those who hate you, and persecute you and say all evil towards you. But when someone who is suppose to be a child of God is attacking everything about Israel, that person is making it harder on us. There are alot of Hebrew/jews who are coming to Messiah all the time. This is why all of the Body of Messiah needs to pray for each other, so help me by praying for those like me in Israel who are spreading the Gospel of Yeshua/Jesus to the lost. Shalom
 
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no, the difference is i'm not antisemitic (that's one reason i FIGHT against dispensationalism which is the most antisemitic xtianity i know of - jews don't need Jesus now, they're still in COVENANT via The Law),

you, on the other hand, are a false prophet.


EXACTLY. This is what is being taught to todays Christians unbeknownst to it's listeners......not to mention the revered anti-Christ Talmud being taught by the Rabbonic System in Israel today. It is mind-boggling to think that this information is hidden and remains unknown by so many. And worse yet, it is deeply grieving to know that many, if not most will still refuse to accept this reality....or even look at what is unfolding right in front of their very eyes. No siree.....we'll just stick to "what we know" and are comfortable with. Uncanny, isn't it ? All these "prophets" right here in our midst on this forum and not a one of them can see it. Perhaps this truth isn't intended for them ? (shrugs)
 
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unclefester

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Zone, I agree with most of what you're saying here, that's not the problem, Israel is still where Yeshua will reign from and is the place we need to support and pray for. Like anyone else that teaches a false doctrine we are to refute them and make sure we do our job as YHWH leads us to spread His truth. You have no idea of how much I speak to my brethren about the deception of Talmud and other similar doctrine, including false doctrine under the christian titles as well. I.E. mormons, jehovah witness, etc. Try standing in front of someone with a gun trying to show them what they've been taught is a lie, and that Yeshua is the only way. Try being surrounded by muslims who hate you and your telling them that Yeshua is the true Messiah and not Mohammed, not knowing if you're going to walk away alive. Where I live there is great persecution against anyone who believes in Yeshua. The point of it all is we are to love our enemies, pray for those who hate you, and persecute you and say all evil towards you. But when someone who is suppose to be a child of God is attacking everything about Israel, that person is making it harder on us. There are alot of Hebrew/jews who are coming to Messiah all the time. This is why all of the Body of Messiah needs to pray for each other, so help me by praying for those like me in Israel who are spreading the Gospel of Yeshua/Jesus to the lost. Shalom
Being a witness to Christ in your region can't be easy ..... you will be in my prayers truthfully. And I will not speak for Zone in her defense. She is more capable than I anyways. Nevertheless Avinu, allow me to say this. In regards to the true gospel of Christ, it is the duty of those who know as much to say so. Every one of us, including the people of the nation of Israel need to come to repentance and receive Christ's grace through faith. And none are happier to hear that many Hebrews/Jews are doing as much than your brothers and sisters in Christ. Withholding truth isn't loving anybody....even if it is intended to (a very wise friend laid this on my heart....and she was right) This discussion and others concerning the nation of Israel have never been about the Hebrew/Jewish people. I trust you know and believe this :)
 
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silverwind

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I'm in Oregon right now, it's so nice here, but very cold atm. You all should try a little vacation, it will help let off some steam ;)