Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

[wolfwint]

As I very well should be,

In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 5:16

Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good works and glorify God on the day of visitation.
1 Peter 2:12

The only reason you people do not commend me for what I do and call me all sorts of evil things is because you yourselves do not do good works and do not want to. So you despise me in your hearts like Cain despised Abel, ultimately because Abel did what was right while Cain did not. Even so, I don't tell you about my good works to seek commendation from any of you, but to lay an example of what you, as believers in Yeshuah, must also be doing.

Its not about doing good works. You claime a false Gospel which called Judasim. This repeatetly was metioned from Paul. To do good works and do follow the Thora are not the same. To follow the Thora is holding the law and comandments which God has given Moses. And not only to do good to the poor.
No where in the NT after pentecost it is thaught that an believer in Christ has to follow the Thora.
Why you ignore this?

 

[Dino246]

People have been expecting Jesus to come back in next 10-30 years for last 2000 years,
Why people are still believing there will be a second coming is beyond me.

Even Jesus seems to say something that did not happen.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Jesus tells the high priest that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Christians that are predicting the second coming always miss the fact that people will always see patterns where they are not
intended to be any.

In reality the bible seems to be a collection of Books that Humans deemed to be fit to be in a single place, they don't correlate nowhere near as often as you think.

Welcome to CC...
Actually, there is evidence that Jesus returned within a generation of saying those words, but not in the manner that modern dispensationalists describe. It's not a "smoking gun", but it is intriguing.

 

[Lightskin]

People have been expecting Jesus to come back in next 10-30 years for last 2000 years,
Why people are still believing there will be a second coming is beyond me.

Even Jesus seems to say something that did not happen.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Jesus tells the high priest that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Christians that are predicting the second coming always miss the fact that people will always see patterns where they are not
intended to be any.

In reality the bible seems to be a collection of Books that Humans deemed to be fit to be in a single place, they don't correlate nowhere near as often as you think.

What do you mean Jesus seems to say? Either He said or He didn’t.

 

[UnderGrace]

I must be supee duper saved...my neighbor asked to borrow my truck 11 days ago......HE STILL HAS IT.......does that qualify under working for???

Sorry you only qualify for the "super duper" saved if you let him keep it....... I would say right now you are at the "duper saved" so it may be tenuous.... some free sammiches might help sweeten the deal though.

 

[WhyNotAsk]

What do you mean Jesus seems to say? Either He said or He didn’t.

I am being humble and letting you look at the verse for yourselves in case I missed something, but if you read it just as it is written with out referring anything else, Yes that is what he said:

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.”

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry you only qualify for the "super duper" saved if you let him keep it....... I would say right now you are at the "duper saved" so it may be tenuous.... some free sammiches might help sweeten the deal though.

hahhahahahahahhahahhaahahahahaha hilarious

 

[UnderGrace]

hahhahahahahahhahahhaahahahahaha hilarious

Yeah, I was inspired on that one ... this thread not so inspiring though.

 

[posthuman]

When you pay your ISP account to so that you can post on the www or the electric bill to plug/charge your computer/cell phone on what money do you use?

well, he's gone now -- but he solicits donations on his website. he asks that you send him only gold, not currency. says you can either mail it or personally deliver it to him.
he says he pre-paid his rent & utilities and airline tickets etc using money, in order to stop using money. when the pre-paid terms run out i suppose he will renew his services and buy more airline tickets to visit the temple institute with the gold he hopes to collect from donations. which, i presume, he will have to convert that gold into currency in order to do, because AFAIK you can't just bring a bag of gold down to the grocery store and buy bread and cheese with it -- the cashier ain't going to know what to make of it. i don't know what it's like in Columbia but around here the cable company doesn't even have an office i could go to to pay my bill; i doubt i could just mail them some gold - they seem to want you to either use credit cards or automatic draft from a bank.

which makes sending all our cash to Bill an easier option, i think -- if anyone wants to follow gc. Bill accepts cash, but you'd have to go use your cash to buy gold and then use some more to either buy postage or travel expenses to bring the gold to gc.

 

[PennEd]

I am being humble and letting you look at the verse for yourselves in case I missed something, but if you read it just as it is written with out referring anything else, Yes that is what he said:

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.”

Revelation 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

You DEFINITELY missed something.

They, like YOU, will see Him coming, and at that time every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess Jesus IS Lord!

you can do it now and be saved, or you can do it then and be lost.

 

[garee]

Two Witnesses Begin to Prophesy
Note: 1,260 days prior to their death after the sixth trumpet blast in the morning in Jerusalem time of September 17, 2026 or 6 Tishri 5787 AM. They will begin prophesying in the morning of 15 Nisan, which is on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 15 Nisan after the Passover in Nisan 14.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: April 6, 2023 AD = 15 Nisan 5783 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5996 YB


The two witness is the word of God. It is not the witness of men .

I would offer hearing it a little differently. The two witnesses are the law and the prophets signified by Moses and Elijah as in all things written in the law and the prophets. Also called sola scriptura. The living, abiding word of God in its entirety, as it is written .

Moses representing the letter of the law that pronounces mankind guilty. And Elijah as the prophets the unseen Spirit of Christ faith as that which works in us to both will and do the good pleasure. Our imputed righteousness .


For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger (the gospel) before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mathew 11: 10-15


Together the two witness signified by Moses (law) and Eilas (the prophets) They make up the perfect or complete law by which we can hear Him not seen making wise us the simple. Apart from them working together as one, there is no law. And people perish in the philosophies of men.

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. Psalms 19 :7-11


Below we can see the unseen work of the Father and Son working together in perfect harmony and submission in order to establish his government of peace. The kind that surpasses our understanding.

The Law of Moses represented by the Father not seen as a loving authority, communing with the Spirit of faith that worked in the Son of man as one faith, or work a labor of their untied love..

The spiritual meaning the gospel was hid from the apostles in the below parable teaching them to walk by faith the unseen . Peter denied the faith as looked after what the eyes of that fleshly vision Moses and Elijah long dead thiere corrutbed bodies returned to the lifeless dust they were created of.

Matthew 17:2-4 King James Version (KJV) And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

 

[posthuman]

Revelation 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

You DEFINITELY missed something.

They, like YOU, will see Him coming, and at that time every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess Jesus IS Lord!

you can do it now and be saved, or you can do it then and be lost.

Every eye will see Him - that means even the blind

Amazing!!

 

[Adstar]

People have been expecting Jesus to come back in next 10-30 years for last 2000 years,
Why people are still believing there will be a second coming is beyond me.

Easy because they believe the scriptures that Jesus will return.. It matters not if people where expecting him in the next 10-30 years for all those centuries.. They where wrong clearly.. But that does not prove that Jesus is not going to return some day.. it only shows that some people have been mistaken..

Even Jesus seems to say something that did not happen.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Jesus tells the high priest that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

When the high priest died his soul entered eternity and from that POV he could see Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father.. Also from the perspective of eternity that high priest will be able to witness the return of Jesus to earth..

See you assumed that Jesus was saying that this High priest would still be alive viewing these things from earth.. But the scriptures don't say this.. It is your mind that has added these things to the scriptures.. Remember no one ceases to exist at the moment of their deaths in Christianity.. Everyone continues to exist forever and ever.. The variation in their existence only differs by the different locations they will be spending their eternity in..

With God or apart from God..

 

[WhyNotAsk]

Revelation 1:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

You DEFINITELY missed something.

They, like YOU, will see Him coming, and at that time every knee WILL bow and every tongue WILL confess Jesus IS Lord!

you can do it now and be saved, or you can do it then and be lost.

It's quite clear Jesus was speaking to the priests in Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him (high priest) You have said so. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.”

The priest is long dead by now and we have not seen the return of Jesus.
Was there a second coming in 34-50 A.D. that we missed and the book of revelation was talking about king Nero instead of this time that we are living in ?
When looking at the actual Historical setting of the book of revelation, it seems like it was written about the Nero's reign.

1. Historical Setting of the Book of Revelation
2. Letters to the Seven Churches
3. The Apocalypse in the Third and Fourth Centuries
4. The Historicist Approach to Revelation

Please look into the following presentations above, it comes from a christian Bruce Gore who tries to explain
the setting of the book of Apocalypse.

 

[PennEd]

It's quite clear Jesus was speaking to the priests in Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him (high priest) You have said so. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.”

The priest is long dead by now and we have not seen the return of Jesus.
Was there a second coming in 34-50 A.D. that we missed and the book of revelation was talking about king Nero instead of this time that we are living in ?
When looking at the actual Historical setting of the book of revelation, it seems like it was written about the Nero's reign.

1. Historical Setting of the Book of Revelation
2. Letters to the Seven Churches
3. The Apocalypse in the Third and Fourth Centuries
4. The Historicist Approach to Revelation

Please look into the following presentations above, it comes from a christian Bruce Gore who tries to explain
the setting of the book of Apocalypse.

You are blind.


The dead are in Sheol/Hades awaiting final judgement. They WILL be resurrected for judgement. They WILL see Jesus return and judge. THAT is what Jesus was telling the pharisees.

 

[Adstar]

It's quite clear Jesus was speaking to the priests in Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him (high priest) You have said so. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.”

The priest is long dead by now and we have not seen the return of Jesus.
Was there a second coming in 34-50 A.D. that we missed and the book of revelation was talking about king Nero instead of this time that we are living in ?
When looking at the actual Historical setting of the book of revelation, it seems like it was written about the Nero's reign.

1. Historical Setting of the Book of Revelation
2. Letters to the Seven Churches
3. The Apocalypse in the Third and Fourth Centuries
4. The Historicist Approach to Revelation

Please look into the following presentations above, it comes from a christian Bruce Gore who tries to explain
the setting of the book of Apocalypse.

It may have seemed to the Christians living under severe persecution at the times of Nero that it was the end times.. But they where wrong because while severe persecution is prophecised in the Book of revelation there where many other signs also given.. Signs that did not come true in the times of Nero. History is punctuated by great natural disasters ( which are also featured in the Book of Revelation to happen during the end times ) and people have jumped the gun and declared the end was near after a great volcanic eruption or a great earthquake or some other plague.. History is also filled with many big wars ( which are also featured in the Book of Revelation to happen close to the time of the return of Jesus ) And like the other events people have jumped the gun and declared this war or that war to be the end times final war or battle,, But again they where wrong.. People where and are wrong to declare the return of Jesus based on one, or two, or even three signs happening that align with the prophecies of the Book of Revelation..

As the Bible says only when we see ALL the signs happening shall we know that our redemption is at hand..

The return of Jesus is still in the future.. And all the signs revealed in the Book of Revelation will come to pass as foretold..

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

See you assumed that Jesus was saying that this High priest would still be alive viewing these things from earth.. But the scriptures don't say this..

I see this the same (similarly) as I do the verse (below), which also does not mean/refer to the "immediate" future (rather, the "far-future," so to speak... and this one using the "proleptic 'you'" [meaning (essentially), "all those in the future, of the same category"]):

"For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:39. [of course, this is a different CONTEXT with a distinct message... I'm just pointing out the "hereafter" concept, and the timing element as being similar]

So, in Matthew 26:64, Jesus first uses the singular "you," when saying, "you have said" (said to the "chief priest")... then goes on to use the plural "you" when saying, "Hereafter you shall see the Son of man... [… coming in the clouds of heaven]"

(recall, the phrase "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" [passages where found] refers to His "Second Coming [to the earth]/coming-in-judgment/coming-to-judge-and-to-reign" designation [NOT our Rapture/Departure, per context]; so this is referring [basically] to "judgment"); I believe the "plural 'you'" is in reference then to the plurals in verse 59, "the chief priests, and all the council" and some versions add the phrase "and the elders/presbyteros [G4345]" (i.e. the leadership... these who had "sought... to put Him to death," v.59).

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT to add: [recalling, here ^ , also what I'd said about the "proleptic 'you'"]


[pondering passages like Matt25:31-34,40 (at the time of His Second Coming to the earth)... where v.40 (who I believe "the least of these My brethren" are the believing remnant of Jews/Israel who will have come to faith WITHIN the trib yrs [FOLLOWING our Rapture/Departure]) reminds us somewhat of how Saul[/Paul] when he had mistreated the early church had really "done it unto HIM/Jesus"... the nations/Gentiles [sheep and goats] will either be called "ye, BLESSED" or "ye, CURSED" by Jesus, at this particular "judgment," based on their "aid," or NOT, of these, "the least of these My brethren" (during the trib years leading UP TO His Second Coming to the earth)]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT to add:

and this ^ brings to mind a post or two I made back in August (about the "identification" of "the fig tree" which some say is "Israel," but where I show that it can't be "Israel [in general]"):

https://christianchat.com/threads/the-tribulation-and-the-church-when.186736/post-4003112

https://christianchat.com/threads/the-tribulation-and-the-church-when.186736/post-4003146

[and, while reading THOSE ^ , keeping in mind how Luke 21:29 (in the "far-future" section of the Olivet Discourse [note: ONLY vv.12-24 speak to the events surrounding 70ad]) refers to "Behold the fig tree, and all the trees"--noting what is said at the posts at links ^ re: "the fig tree" itself and how that it cannot be "Israel" (-in general)]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[I had meant to INCLUDE the following info, but forgot to do so]

See "G575 G737" in both of the following [which I'd referred to earlier]:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/23/39/ss1/s_952039 [Matt23:39]

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/26/64/ss1/s_955064 [Matt26:64]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Is that so? The Messiah commanded that we do good works. So the one slapping the Messiah in the face is you by speaking contrary to what he commanded. That is why he said, "why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say?"

Consider the following (hopefully you're still able to at least READ this thread, who knows...), in view of what I've put in the preceding posts ^ :


Genesis 43 - [in the context of Joseph's 7-Year Famine]

3 But Judah replied, “The man [the one they sold into slavery (Gen45:4)] solemnly warned us, ‘You will not see my face again unless your brother [the youngest, Benjamin] is with you.’ [...]

5 But if you will not send him, we will not go; for the man told us, ‘You will not see my face again unless your brother is with you.’”


Genesis 44 -

23 But you said to your servants, ’Unless your younger brother comes down with you, you will not see my face again.’

26 But we answered, ‘We cannot go down there unless our younger brother goes with us. So if our younger brother is not with us, we cannot see the man.'

____________

Matthew 21:9 -

And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

Matthew 23:39 -

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 11:9-10 -

And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord: 10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

Luke 13:35 -

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


[see also 1 Chronicles 5:1-2isv - "5:1 Here is a record of[a] the descendants of Reuben, Israel’s firstborn. (He was the firstborn, but because he defiled his father’s marriage bed, his birthright was transferred to the descendants of Israel’s son Joseph. As a result, Reuben is not enrolled in the genealogy according to the birthright. 2 Even though Judah became prominent among his relatives—that is, the Commander-in-chief will be his descendant—nevertheless the right of the firstborn went to Joseph.)" (see again verses at TOP)]


Additionally, in 2 Thessalonians 1 and 2, the phrases "the DAY OF THE LORD"/"IN THAT DAY" speak of the future, specific time-period which will unfold upon the earth (FOLLOWING our Rapture/Departure) and these two chpts [certain verses] are showing A CONTRAST between what SOME will believe [during that specific future time period] (2Th2:10-12 "to believe the pseudei/the FALSE") and [by contrast] what OTHERS will come to believe at that time (2Th1:10b "the testimony of us to you"<--they will come to BELIEVE that what Paul [of the tribe of Benjamin] had said IS INDEED "TRUTH" [esp. regarding what will have just taken place! "our Rapture/Departure"... was indeed the TRUTH!!; and thus they will NOT embrace "the falsehood" INSTEAD, as the OTHERS (disregarding the word of God via Paul!!) will do! "unto their own destruction"]).


"As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"... where those "taken" were "taken away in judgment," and those "left" were "left on the earth [to "fill the earth"] in their mortal bodies [capable of reproducing/bearing children]" (comp. Dan2:35 and Gen9:1 / with Matt24:37-39 / Lk17:26-27 in contexts regarding His Second Coming to the earth [NOT our Rapture/Departure]); I believe the "AS the days of Noah were" refers, NOT to the idea that "everything will be hunky-dory" but, to how some (in that far-future time period) will disregard the word of God, just as those back in Noah's day [he was a "preacher of righteousness," recall] disregarded the word of God via Noah. In that future, specific time period, to have disregarded the word of God via His spokesperson (and to continue to do so despite the circumstances that will be in evidence at that time) is to disregard His word "unto their own destruction" (just like the "flood judgment" was).