Eternal Damnation
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C
lolol. I do not think, it was what happened. God opened my ears
That is the first stage of receiving the Gospel. As to that question of why He does not simply open the eyes of everone else, I suppose He is the potter.
As to they did the same thing as I did, well, if they accepted Jesus as their Savior then they would not be lost, now would they? The only differene between them and those who are God's is that God's children accepted the Messiah. So, did they really did what I did?
lolol. I do not think, it was what happened. God opened my ears That is the first stage of receiving the Gospel.
As to that question of why He does not simply open the eyes of everone else, I suppose He is the potter.
As to they did the same thing as I did, well, if they accepted Jesus as their Savior then they would not be lost, now would they? The only differene between them and those who are God's is that God's children accepted the Messiah. So, did they really did what I did?
That is the first stage of receiving the Gospel. As to that question of why He does not simply open the eyes of everone else, I suppose He is the potter.
As to they did the same thing as I did, well, if they accepted Jesus as their Savior then they would not be lost, now would they? The only differene between them and those who are God's is that God's children accepted the Messiah. So, did they really did what I did?
So now you're certain God has opened your eyes to receive Christ. And let me make this clear to all in what you're saying. If it wasn't for God, you'd be lost, but to those GOD HAS NOT OPENED THE EYES OF, because they didn't CHOOSE to receive Christ, they deserve what they get? What happened to their "first step"? And if it is God who reveals Himself first, then surely those you see in eternal torment will have to be ATTRIBUTED TO GOD! Surely this can't be the case! Do you know why He hasn't opened their eyes yet?
REMEMBER beloved, the ONLY reason you accepted Jesus is because God opened your eyes.
G
God didn't want us to be mindless beings that worked for him, He wanted us to choose love Him. That's why He gave us a choice. Just like you wouldn't want to force someone to love you,you would want them to love you of their own free will. So God lets us choose the somewhat difficult life of living for Him in a world thats against us,which only lasted for a bit, or we can choose to go against the One who created us and live a worldly lifestyle, which also only lasts. Fora small bit. But the consequences are burning in an eternal fire, but the worst part is that in well, and the lake of fire, there is the absence of God. Which is what those who chose a worldly lifestyle chose. God loves us all more than you can imagine, because we are His creation, He created us because He wanted company. The majority of the earth has let Him down I say we keep praying for a serious revival! Who's with me?!?
I say we keep praying for a serious revival! Who's with me?!?
C
I am not certained that He opened my eyes, but I am certained that He opened my ears so that I could hear.
As to the perdictiment you have presented, I again point you to the sovenginity of the Lord in the example of the potter. So, I guess this is the sort of question you need to ask God, as the following:
Why did God choose the Hebews over other peoples?
Why did God choose to have His Son die for His salvational plan?
Why did God choose Jacob over Esau?
As to the perdictiment you have presented, I again point you to the sovenginity of the Lord in the example of the potter. So, I guess this is the sort of question you need to ask God, as the following:
Why did God choose the Hebews over other peoples?
Why did God choose to have His Son die for His salvational plan?
Why did God choose Jacob over Esau?
To teach us who read that in truth, Jacob was NO BETTER than Esau! The potter story is to teach how we strive against ourselves everyday. Let's use something discussed right now in the transsexual thread. A man is gay. No one taught him to be this way. All he knows is that when he sees his homeboys flirting with the ladies, he'd rather flirt with his homeboys! But I say again who knows the spirit (wife) of a man except that man?
Here he is gay as all outdoors. If God didn't make him that way then who did? But to conform to a worldly image, he deals treacherously with his spirit, renouncing the fact he is gay, he struggles against himself putting up with a female he's only with out of TRADITION.You may say it's not but for him it is! All he know is he likes men as like him, I wasn't taught to like women. It was in me to. It is natural for a man and a woman to be together yes, but so is having two arms and legs. If one was born missing one of these, do we treat them as unclean? God made also the blind deaf and dumb as these are PHYSICAL examples of spiritual principles.
So this gay man strives with his Marker. He's still gay, but because of him following tradition, his conscience is defiled.
Now think about this. He choose Jacob over Esau just because, but God has no respect of persons?
Here he is gay as all outdoors. If God didn't make him that way then who did? But to conform to a worldly image, he deals treacherously with his spirit, renouncing the fact he is gay, he struggles against himself putting up with a female he's only with out of TRADITION.You may say it's not but for him it is! All he know is he likes men as like him, I wasn't taught to like women. It was in me to. It is natural for a man and a woman to be together yes, but so is having two arms and legs. If one was born missing one of these, do we treat them as unclean? God made also the blind deaf and dumb as these are PHYSICAL examples of spiritual principles.
So this gay man strives with his Marker. He's still gay, but because of him following tradition, his conscience is defiled.
Now think about this. He choose Jacob over Esau just because, but God has no respect of persons?
T
I agree with this. We don't know why Gid chooses some and not others, and it's none of our business. I believe in election and predestination because God's word teaches it. But as I've said in another post, it is not taught in order to limit the gospel call, but to humble us. It teaches us that God is sovereign over everything, including our salvation. But I also don't cast my lot with those who teach that God's election is so set, that we need not do anyhting. We must call on the Lord Jesus and forsake our sins. When I see an unsaved person, the question of election or predestination doesn't come to mind, but the sharing of the gospel does. I Just desire to share the gospel the best I can with them. If God wants to save them, He will take care of the rest.
God bless.
Tom
God bless.
Tom
C
Absolutely Brother, the Bible most certainly teaches both God's sovereignty and one's willingness (all the whosoevers) in salvation. I think your last statement, 'If God wants to save them, He will take care of the rest', speaks of this duality of salvation the best. God, in His sovereignty, chooses whom will be saved and they who have an ear, a heart having hearkened to the calling, will hear.
God bless you Brother.
God bless you Brother.
C
We all have a besseching sin, we are to have laid the burden of life and that sin aside, so that we can run that race which has been set before us. It does not matter if one wishes to name that sin or just acknowledge offense towards God, but that which matters is what we will do with that all emcompassing sin. Upon that track, we have the Holy Spirit as our Trainer and Jesus Christ as our Forerunner, so I say to you and everyone else, put your eyes upon the faith's Forerunner instead of that sin. Learn from the Spirit, seeing that the end result of such tutorage is righteousness's fruit of peace, not the battle which rages within.
He does not strife against hs Maker, he strives against his flesh. All the more reason to place his eyes upon Jesus.
As to, Now think about this. He choose Jacob over Esau just because, but God has no respect of persons, I really do not think I am capable of answering why God choose to do things He does? Why not ask Him yourself?
I did beloved, and He has answered. The ONLY way to understand this is with the mind of Christ, who came not to destroy mens lives but to SAVE them. WE ALL KNOW SOMEONE IN OUR LIVES WHO DIED THAT IN OUR MINDS, "DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT"!. To say anything otherwise would only make you a liar. And for those still under this form of delusion, and holding firm that many will die forever is a hypocrite.
God chose and loved Jacob over and hated Esau BEFORE the children were born, SUBJECTED to vanity AGAINST THEIR WILLS as GOD Chose again BOTH BEFORE THEY WERE BORN, HAVING DONE NEITHER GOOD NOR EVIL so that the PURPOSE of ELECTION may stand!
As surely as Jacob has done evil in the sight of the Lord, Esau has done good.
Genesis 33:1-11
33 And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, and with him four hundred men. And he divided the children unto Leah, and unto Rachel, and unto the two handmaids.
2 And he put the handmaids and their children foremost, and Leah and her children after, and Rachel and Joseph hindermost.
3 And he passed over before them, and bowed himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
4 And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
5 And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.
6 Then the handmaidens came near, they and their children, and they bowed themselves.
7 And Leah also with her children came near, and bowed themselves: and after came Joseph near and Rachel, and they bowed themselves.
8 And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord.
9 And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself.
10 And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.
11 Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it.
God chose and loved Jacob over and hated Esau BEFORE the children were born, SUBJECTED to vanity AGAINST THEIR WILLS as GOD Chose again BOTH BEFORE THEY WERE BORN, HAVING DONE NEITHER GOOD NOR EVIL so that the PURPOSE of ELECTION may stand!
As surely as Jacob has done evil in the sight of the Lord, Esau has done good.
Genesis 33:1-11
33 And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, and with him four hundred men. And he divided the children unto Leah, and unto Rachel, and unto the two handmaids.
2 And he put the handmaids and their children foremost, and Leah and her children after, and Rachel and Joseph hindermost.
3 And he passed over before them, and bowed himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
4 And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
5 And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.
6 Then the handmaidens came near, they and their children, and they bowed themselves.
7 And Leah also with her children came near, and bowed themselves: and after came Joseph near and Rachel, and they bowed themselves.
8 And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord.
9 And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself.
10 And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.
11 Take, I pray thee, my blessing that is brought to thee; because God hath dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough. And he urged him, and he took it.
If you turn and forsake your sin and do not believe that Christ bore and crucified your sin on His body through death, you abide in an evil heart of unbelief, you have not been cleansed of your sin or justified by the blood of Christ, even though you cleaned up and garnished your house. Your turning from sin availed you nothing and you are still in sin and for many, a worse state then before.
Mt 12:43-45
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Mt 12:43-45
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.