Eternal Hell, Annihilationism, or Universalism?

[Jackson123]

Why do people try to reply with these lit


The only logical reasoning if saying god loves through suffering and cancer is cancer and physical life is temporary so if even you suffer your whole life for 80 years, assuming you go to heaven then it doesn’t even matter.

But to say suffering for all eternity that’s a hard mountain to climb how your going to prove love.

God came here and suffered for others he didn’t come and make others suffer.

You know God is love from the bible don't you?

And you believe that information.

The same source about eternal hell is the bible.

How love mean put people in hell?

I believe the same story when you punish your children for killing his brother.

If No punishment then people killing each other. And let people killing each other is not love.

 

[GdaxBbb]

You know God is love from the bible don't you?

And you believe that information.

The same source about eternal hell is the bible.

How love mean put people in hell?

I believe the same story when you punish your children for killing his brother.

If No punishment then people killing each other. And let people killing each other is not love.

difference is one is temporary punishment (correction) the other you’re trying to argue that punishing your child forever is loving. Which is hard to fathom.

Also definition for punishment in the original Greek is temporary with the goal of correction, not everlasting for eternity.

 

[Jackson123]

difference is one is temporary punishment (correction) the other you’re trying to argue that punishing your child forever is loving. Which is hard to fathom.

Also definition for punishment in the original Greek is temporary with the goal of correction, not everlasting for eternity.

That mean you don't believe the bible.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Why do people try to reply with these lit

Can someone go to heaven without knowing the Christ exists? This is a legit question to further the discussion.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

That mean you don't believe the bible.

What he is averring reeks of purgatory.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

But to say suffering for all eternity that’s a hard mountain to climb how your going to prove love.

If I stand before you holding two of your favourite burgers and I tell you the one is fresh and was made one minute earlier and the other one is a month old and was sitting in my car baking in the sun everyday.... Which one will you choose to eat from?

It is the same with God, He tells us where we will be going for eternity if we do not follow Christ but it is our decision to make.

God doesn't send you to hell, you choose to go there on your own free will.

 

[garee]

If I stand before you holding two of your favourite burgers and I tell you the one is fresh and was made one minute earlier and the other one is a month old and was sitting in my car baking in the sun everyday.... Which one will you choose to eat from?

It is the same with God, He tells us where we will be going for eternity if we do not follow Christ but it is our decision to make.

God doesn't send you to hell, you choose to go there on your own free will.

We must be careful how we hear.

Yes, every time we deny him in unbelief(no faith) like the foolish Galatians that believed they could lose that which God has begun in us. Sames ones that tasted in Hebrews 6 but showed their lack of faith. Crucifying him over and over to public shame as if one demonstration to the world fell short of the glory of God.

What is true is that according to the wage of sin, the curse, we suffer the living pangs of hell .As did Jonas surfer the pangs of hell by reasoning of a living suffering. . "hell". (In dying, corrupting you will surely die.)

God has chosen the elect to give rest in the work he performs in us to both will and do his good pleasure .We should believe without murmuring . Like. . . What about Margret MacDonald or others what about Calvin? Faith does not come from hearing them as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood. The temporal seen.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: Philipians 2:13-14

There is no suffering after death and the the flesh returns to the lifeless spiritless clay it was formed from and the temporal spirit under the letter of the law returns to that father who gave it temporarily . believer receive a new incorruptible body . They will rise to new life not subject to the letter of the law (death) . The letter of the law death was cast into the lake of God's righteous judgment ,never to rise to condemn by corruption (in dying death will occur )

Those who did not receive a new born again spirit like the letter of the law simply will not rise after the last day

 

[Dino246]

There is no suffering after death

So the rich man who pleaded to have Lazarus relieve him with a sip of water was either not dead, or not suffering. Which was it?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

If I stand before you holding two of your favourite burgers and I tell you the one is fresh and was made one minute earlier and the other one is a month old and was sitting in my car baking in the sun everyday.... Which one will you choose to eat from?

It is the same with God, He tells us where we will be going for eternity if we do not follow Christ but it is our decision to make.

God doesn't send you to hell, you choose to go there on your own free will.

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’[Matthew 7:23]

Most assuredly God sends ppl to hell. When someone is found guilty in a court of law and they stand before the judge, who sentences them to prison? The judge. Same with the Christ. He renders the sentence of guilty upon the lost and they are cast into hell. He sends them to hell because of them not repenting of their sins.

 

[JohnR7]

even then still seems a bit unjust unloving

God impressed upon me many times that He is a God of absolute and perfect Justice. We see this in how exact, precise and fine tuned the universe is and all the laws that regulate the universe. Even man makes machines that are accurate within a millionth. We have to be that precise in order for things to function and work properly. The Cosmos is not sloppy loosy goosy.

 

[JohnR7]

So the rich man who pleaded to have Lazarus relieve him with a sip of water was either not dead, or not suffering. Which was it?

We are talking about water. There is the river of life. Then we have dead religion that continues stagnant water that can no longer support life.

 

[Dino246]

We are talking about water. There is the river of life. Then we have dead religion that continues stagnant water that can no longer support life.

However, there is no indication that the water referenced in the story was anything other than literal H20. Further, in my question to Garee, water is at best a secondary issue.

 

[Jackson123]

What he is averring reeks of purgatory.

To my knoledge even catholic believe eternal hell.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’[Matthew 7:23]

Most assuredly God sends ppl to hell. When someone is found guilty in a court of law and they stand before the judge, who sentences them to prison? The judge. Same with the Christ. He renders the sentence of guilty upon the lost and they are cast into hell. He sends them to hell because of them not repenting of their sins.

LOL and?

If the speed limit is 60 mph and you drive 100mph and get caught for speeding, is it the cop's fault for catching you? Is it the judge's fault for sending you to jail? Stop blaming God for what mankind did wrong. Small revelation; if there is a problem with your relationship with God, you are always wrong, He is God and without fault.

You have a choice where you want to end up. The outcome is in the Bible and you can choose.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

LOL and?

If the speed limit is 60 mph and you drive 100mph and get caught for speeding, is it the cop's fault for catching you? Is it the judge's fault for sending you to jail? Stop blaming God for what mankind did wrong. Small revelation; if there is a problem with your relationship with God, you are always wrong, He is God and without fault.

You have a choice where you want to end up. The outcome is in the Bible and you can choose.

And no man will choose that which is contrary to his nature.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

And no man will choose that which is contrary to his nature.

The Bible teaches us that in ourselves we are always wrong. Only God can show us the way through his Spirit. When we have His Spirit it is not our nature anymore but God in us.

God bless friends

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

The Bible teaches us that in ourselves we are always wrong. Only God can show us the way through his Spirit. When we have His Spirit it is not our nature anymore but God in us.

God bless friends

Yes, in our fallen natures, we will never choose Him. That is the reformed position. Only God can change our natures, and this is via the new birth, regeneration.

Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”[John 3:3]

Notice how the Christ said that. He did not say that one does something to be born again, but they must be born again before they can even see the kingdom of God. No one can give themselves this new birth, it comes solely from God. And the Spirit moves as He pleases.[John 3:8]

May God bless you too, my friend.

 

[JohnR7]

However, there is no indication that the water referenced in the story was anything other than literal H20. Further, in my question to Garee, water is at best a secondary issue.

Really? You do not know the difference between living water and foul - profane - corrupted - stinking water? Water is water? They you should be able to drink out of your toilet if water is water. I do not think it will work because when the cats drink out of the fish pond they get sick.

 

[Dino246]

Really? You do not know the difference between living water and foul - profane - corrupted - stinking water? Water is water? They you should be able to drink out of your toilet if water is water. I do not think it will work because when the cats drink out of the fish pond they get sick.

When you want to discuss the story of Lazarus and the rich man, let me know.

 

[garee]

So the rich man who pleaded to have Lazarus relieve him with a sip of water was either not dead, or not suffering. Which was it?

It is a parable in a continuation or series . It speaks of the faith principle the true riches. Ultimately in conclusion no man can serve two Masters .One seen and the other not seen

Luke 16:1 King James Version (KJV) And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.

The rich man in verse 1 is used in various parables representing those who have wordily riches but none that are unseen eternal.(no faith).

The discussion as a lesson to us. . how to hear is whether or not there are more than one way we could please the idea of a God not seen. Scripture speaks of one manner. Our unseen father as God.

The Rich man insisted even after being told it was impossible the idea of necromancy, sending a person as a worker with familiar spirit who they think is praise worthy or venerable like the Catholic patron saints receiving aid from the dead.

Jesus said to that kind of ideology if they hear not the perfect law of God the law and the prophets (sola scriptura ) called the gospel. he goes on to say. . . then neither will they believe when one rises from the dead . Faith comes by hearing not the after affect seeing. Seeing is seeing .The kingdom comes not by the temporal .

Luke 16:29-31 King James Version (KJV) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, (the Bible) neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.