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posthuman

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why do we endanger ourselves every hour? I face death every day, brothers, as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for human motives, what did I gain?
(1 Corinthians 15:30-32)

this doesn't say 'you must die daily'
 

posthuman

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Context. Satan was claiming power of life and death. Satan was saying death is not the wages of sin.

When Jesus said it He was saying " I have payed the wage for sin".
yes

and if He has paid it once and for all, why is it human tradition that we must ourselves pay it daily, except because of unbelief?

o death, where is your sting?
right here threatening me every day, hanging over my head constantly? or at the bottom of the sea?

the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. if it is God who justifies, which of these can bring a charge against His elect?
 
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Can I ask you, when does the new testament start ?
Matthew 26:26-28 KJV
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. [27] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

It starts with the blood of Christ.
 
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@throughfaith said;

“Timothy did not have the NT And if we did not have the NT we could not be saved . There would be no Jesus Christ born of a Virgin , no death for the sins of the world , no resurrection, No apostle to the gentiles , no reavealing of the mysteries ,that were not revealed in the OT ,no church , no redemption of the body ( no glorification)”

I’m confused. What are you talking about? Read my post again man.
 
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And there is a lot of dishonesty on this thread .... the salvation deniers have come out to play in full force, commending and praising
each other's errors in their false dogma of......

...........I must EARN/KEEP what Jesus accomplished..... by my works, by my obedience, by my commandment keeping.

I really wonder how BRAVE one of them would be to stand in front of Jesus and accuse Him to His face of being an ineffectual Saviour and a liar about salvation being a gift?
Oh they will...Lord, Lord have we not done.....that is exactly what will come out of their mouths....!!
 

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Matthew 26:26-28 KJV
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. [27] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

It starts with the blood of Christ.
hebrews 9.16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.”
So why do you keep quoting from before the NT out of context ?
 
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THAT’S WHY IT IS FALSE!

It’s too easy to refute deceived people. Their false doctrine lead them to say things in direct contradiction to scripture:

Ephesians 4:1 KJV
[1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Colossians 1:9-10 KJV
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; [10] That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God

1 Thessalonians 2:11-12 KJV
[11] As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children, [12] That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
hahahhahaha you refute no.one with your self saving, I don't sin rigmarole.......!!!
 
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Matthew 10:37-38 KJV
[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

THERE IS NO CROSS WITH OSAS.
This is one of the most ignorant, false things I have seen on this site....and for peddling what you peddle....lying is a sin, and saying there is no cross with OSAS is a flat lie!
 
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Eleven addressed me earlier in this thread and she obviously referred to all those on the opposing side (to which I was a participant).

I have a good conscience by the way.

Acts 23:1 KJV
[1] And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
How can you when you lied above and said there is no cross with OSAS.....?

Just as I thought....your pants are fire.....and you sin everytime you open your mouth and twist, skew, embellish the truth or what we say pal....WE POINT 100% to Christ and the cross while you peddle yourself like a street organ player in Calcutta with a dancing monkey for coin!
 

posthuman

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He is not. You must. DAILY.
  • we who died to sin
    • Romans 6:2 -- past tense, completed action
  • as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death
    • Romans 6:3 -- past tense, completed action
  • we were buried with Him through baptism into death
    • Romans 6:4 -- past tense, completed action
  • we have been united together in the likeness of His death
    • Romans 6:5 -- past tense, completed action
  • our old man was crucified with Him
    • Romans 6:6 -- past tense, completed action
  • he who has died has been freed from sin.
    • Romans 6:7 -- past tense, completed action
  • we died with Christ
    • Romans 6:8 -- past tense, completed action
  • Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
    • Romans 6:9 -- past tense, completed action
  • likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin
    • Romans 6:11 -- past tense, completed action
      • the first imperative ((command)) statement in the whole epistle!
      • consider yourselves to already have died!
  • you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ
    • Romans 7:4 -- past tense, completed action
  • we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by
    • Romans 7:6 -- past tense, completed action

bro how much more explicit does the scripture need to be for you to understand it?
friend what does it take for you to believe it?
 
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yes

and if He has paid it once and for all, why is it human tradition that we must ourselves pay it daily, except because of unbelief?

o death, where is your sting?
right here threatening me every day, hanging over my head constantly? or at the bottom of the sea?

the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. if it is God who justifies, which of these can bring a charge against His elect?
It is finished was clear = PAID IN FULL!!
 
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  • we who died to sin
    • Romans 6:2 -- past tense, completed action
  • as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death
    • Romans 6:3 -- past tense, completed action
  • we were buried with Him through baptism into death
    • Romans 6:4 -- past tense, completed action
  • we have been united together in the likeness of His death
    • Romans 6:5 -- past tense, completed action
  • our old man was crucified with Him
    • Romans 6:6 -- past tense, completed action
  • he who has died has been freed from sin.
    • Romans 6:7 -- past tense, completed action
  • we died with Christ
    • Romans 6:8 -- past tense, completed action
  • Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
    • Romans 6:9 -- past tense, completed action
  • likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin
    • Romans 6:11 -- past tense, completed action
      • the first imperative ((command)) statement in the whole epistle!
      • consider yourselves to already have died!
  • you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ
    • Romans 7:4 -- past tense, completed action
  • we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by
    • Romans 7:6 -- past tense, completed action

bro how much more explicit does the scripture need to be for you to understand it?
friend what does it take for you to believe it?
Faith and honesty.....good luck, he is a live one!