EVIL IN HEAVEN?
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3. satan can not put these sufferings on spirit creatures,like holy angels.
true satan can not but God does punish them.
so what is hell then if angels can not suffer, feel pain, etc? If fire does not burn angels then why should they fear the fires of hell?
2 Peter 2:3-5 (New King James Version)
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
Mark 9:46-48 (New King James Version)
46 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’[a]
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’[b]
true satan can not but God does punish them.
so what is hell then if angels can not suffer, feel pain, etc? If fire does not burn angels then why should they fear the fires of hell?
2 Peter 2:3-5 (New King James Version)
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
Mark 9:46-48 (New King James Version)
46 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’[a]
47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where
‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’[b]
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you can believe as you like but I suggest reading the Bible again. The angels sinned BEFORE the creation of Man and the Adam and Eve scene. Angels EAT, did you know that?
2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness,
Genesis 28:12
Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
Job 4:18
If He puts no trust in His servants,If He charges His angels with error,
Psalm 78:24-26 (New King James Version)
24 Had rained down manna on them to eat,
And given them of the bread of heaven.
25 Men ate angels’ food;
He sent them food to the full.
26 He caused an east wind to blow in the heavens;
And by His power He brought in the south wind
Psalm 103:19-23 (New King James Version)
19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven,
And His kingdom rules over all.
20 Bless the LORD, you His angels,
Who excel in strength, who do His word,
Heeding the voice of His word.
21 Bless the LORD, all you His hosts,
You ministers of His, who do His pleasure.
22 Bless the LORD, all His works,
In all places of His dominion.
Bless the LORD, O my soul!
2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness,
Genesis 28:12
Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
Job 4:18
If He puts no trust in His servants,If He charges His angels with error,
Psalm 78:24-26 (New King James Version)
24 Had rained down manna on them to eat,
And given them of the bread of heaven.
25 Men ate angels’ food;
He sent them food to the full.
26 He caused an east wind to blow in the heavens;
And by His power He brought in the south wind
Psalm 103:19-23 (New King James Version)
19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven,
And His kingdom rules over all.
20 Bless the LORD, you His angels,
Who excel in strength, who do His word,
Heeding the voice of His word.
21 Bless the LORD, all you His hosts,
You ministers of His, who do His pleasure.
22 Bless the LORD, all His works,
In all places of His dominion.
Bless the LORD, O my soul!
Thankyou. Yes I understand. Satan only had the idea in his head to do things his way in heaven. This was caused from his vanity and pride. That is great how you explained that we cannot be guilty of an evil thought. We humans wrestle with this everyday. It is not until that evil thought manifests into a deed then it becomes sin. Satan did this in the garden. He acted on his thoughts. Evil was then born. He is guilty.
Oh, and of course he couldn't get away with it in heaven. They are all spirit creatures. Not innocent humans. Spirit are higher intellegence. Made of better material. They are invisible and can see each other. God could of destroyed them, but it had to work in with his plan. He wanted evil here so that we could later make a choice to choose Good over evil. All is revealed now, good and all evil. We are not in the dark anymore but walk in the light because we can see. We can now see the fruits of evil, what is has led to. We get a real taste of a world that does not acknowledge how much we need God to survive. Man has destroyed this world and his soul. Only God can destroy the wicked angels, not man. We now have the tools (the word) to fight them off, and God continues making up his jewels through all of this.
I do not undestand how anyone can get offended by simple truth. Everything is for the glory of God. His masterplan is superb. We find salvation through this wonderful orchestrated plan. We get our reward on Christs return. He was chosen in the beginning to free us and make us part of Gods temple. All part of the plan.
Thank you wake-up. Good post. P.s. I didn't hear you yelling! Just asking a big question.
Oh, and of course he couldn't get away with it in heaven. They are all spirit creatures. Not innocent humans. Spirit are higher intellegence. Made of better material. They are invisible and can see each other. God could of destroyed them, but it had to work in with his plan. He wanted evil here so that we could later make a choice to choose Good over evil. All is revealed now, good and all evil. We are not in the dark anymore but walk in the light because we can see. We can now see the fruits of evil, what is has led to. We get a real taste of a world that does not acknowledge how much we need God to survive. Man has destroyed this world and his soul. Only God can destroy the wicked angels, not man. We now have the tools (the word) to fight them off, and God continues making up his jewels through all of this.
I do not undestand how anyone can get offended by simple truth. Everything is for the glory of God. His masterplan is superb. We find salvation through this wonderful orchestrated plan. We get our reward on Christs return. He was chosen in the beginning to free us and make us part of Gods temple. All part of the plan.
Thank you wake-up. Good post. P.s. I didn't hear you yelling! Just asking a big question.
I dont get your question,manna is the food God provides for his people in the desert,it is just food, like bread. God also provided them with flesh. As for angels food; maybe because it came down from above, it is called angels food. I dont think that angels eat solid foods like we do, for this manna also can go off after two days like any other foods we have.
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you are refusing to take scripture because "I don't think" doesn't cut it. Angels have material bodies that is why you don't get it. you want to believe they are only spiritual beings but there are more scriptures that say that when people are resurrected they will have PHYSICAL bodies as Jesus did when He rose again. We are to be like angels and angels are not just spirit. I could give you verses but you will not receive them because you have not received what I've already given you as SCRIPTURE and instead say "I do not think" what does GOD's WORD say?
"angel's FOOD" unless you twist it and try and say angel's don't eat then it shows you GOD has said they DO and manna is ANGELS' food.
Dear Lord open the eyes of your children, give sight to the blind and answer our searching hearts that we may better know Your will for our lives and that we may speak YOUR TRUTH. May Your glory be magnified and may our thoughts and utterances be pleasing in Your sight. Lord be merciful if we error, chastens us so that we may when the time comes be presented with perfect righteousness before the throne of You O Lord, in JESUS Name we pray, Amen
Mark 12:24-26 (New King James Version)
24 Jesus answered and said to them, “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26 But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?[a
2 Corinthians 12
The Vision of Paradise
1 It is doubtless[a] not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities.
that is why so little is known of Heaven by the people on Earth. It is not lawful to utter words about it except what has already been REVEALED in the HOLY BIBLE.
Wakeup I recommend a BIBLE study of ANGELS.
Here are some more verses you may or may not actually read. they are from my kid's Bible Commentary: The Amazing Bible Factbook For kids by the livingstone corporationg and the American Bible Society
How to Sport a Cherub?
"Huge crossed wheels covered in eyes surround a cherub, whirling inside each other (Exekiel 10: 12-13)
* A cherub has four faces (one like a man, one like a lion, one like an eagle and one like an ox. (Ezekiel 1: 5-6, 10-12)
*A cherub has four wings--two touch the other cherubs and two hang down covering its human hands (Ezekiel 1: 5-6_
* A cherub has straight legs that sparkle like bronze and has hooves like a calf (Ezekiel 1:7)
* A cherub "shines like chyrsolite (a greenish stone) (Ezekiel 1:16)"
"CS Lewis the author of the Chronicles of Narnia wrote in his book The Screwtape Letters that in the Bible an angel almost always has to say "FEAR NOT!" when it meets a person. He said the pictures we mostly see of angels make them look like they want to say "there, there" Angels are not fat little babies. Take a look at Ezekiel chapter 1 for a scary sight of God's heavenly servants. These powerful angels are the cherubim! the sound of their strong steely wings was like an army and a flood of water. It was so loud it could be heard blocks away."
that is just one example of the lies about angels most people in the world swallow whole and do not stop to READ their BIBLES to find out the truth about.
Angels are NOT just spirit creatures. THOSE ARE DEMONS. they have lost their bodies due to their disobedience. Satan is now called the devil. He used to be Lucifer. Who do your think his minions used to be? FALLEN Angels. What did they lose? their bodies and they will have others lose it to and join them in Hell. Their "worm" does not die. "worm" is more often thought of today as 'soul" Notice all FLESH worship God, but the corpses of men do not. their worm is casted into a fire that is NOT QUENCHED.
Hell is not just the grave. Stop listening to the bodiless demons. The Lord Rebuke them
they will flee from Jesus' Holy Name. May God's peace be upon all His children.
Isaiah 66:23-24 (New King James Version)
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
24 “ And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
"angel's FOOD" unless you twist it and try and say angel's don't eat then it shows you GOD has said they DO and manna is ANGELS' food.
Dear Lord open the eyes of your children, give sight to the blind and answer our searching hearts that we may better know Your will for our lives and that we may speak YOUR TRUTH. May Your glory be magnified and may our thoughts and utterances be pleasing in Your sight. Lord be merciful if we error, chastens us so that we may when the time comes be presented with perfect righteousness before the throne of You O Lord, in JESUS Name we pray, Amen
Mark 12:24-26 (New King James Version)
24 Jesus answered and said to them, “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God? 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26 But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?[a
2 Corinthians 12
The Vision of Paradise
1 It is doubtless[a] not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities.
that is why so little is known of Heaven by the people on Earth. It is not lawful to utter words about it except what has already been REVEALED in the HOLY BIBLE.
Wakeup I recommend a BIBLE study of ANGELS.
Here are some more verses you may or may not actually read. they are from my kid's Bible Commentary: The Amazing Bible Factbook For kids by the livingstone corporationg and the American Bible Society
How to Sport a Cherub?
"Huge crossed wheels covered in eyes surround a cherub, whirling inside each other (Exekiel 10: 12-13)
* A cherub has four faces (one like a man, one like a lion, one like an eagle and one like an ox. (Ezekiel 1: 5-6, 10-12)
*A cherub has four wings--two touch the other cherubs and two hang down covering its human hands (Ezekiel 1: 5-6_
* A cherub has straight legs that sparkle like bronze and has hooves like a calf (Ezekiel 1:7)
* A cherub "shines like chyrsolite (a greenish stone) (Ezekiel 1:16)"
"CS Lewis the author of the Chronicles of Narnia wrote in his book The Screwtape Letters that in the Bible an angel almost always has to say "FEAR NOT!" when it meets a person. He said the pictures we mostly see of angels make them look like they want to say "there, there" Angels are not fat little babies. Take a look at Ezekiel chapter 1 for a scary sight of God's heavenly servants. These powerful angels are the cherubim! the sound of their strong steely wings was like an army and a flood of water. It was so loud it could be heard blocks away."
that is just one example of the lies about angels most people in the world swallow whole and do not stop to READ their BIBLES to find out the truth about.
Angels are NOT just spirit creatures. THOSE ARE DEMONS. they have lost their bodies due to their disobedience. Satan is now called the devil. He used to be Lucifer. Who do your think his minions used to be? FALLEN Angels. What did they lose? their bodies and they will have others lose it to and join them in Hell. Their "worm" does not die. "worm" is more often thought of today as 'soul" Notice all FLESH worship God, but the corpses of men do not. their worm is casted into a fire that is NOT QUENCHED.
Hell is not just the grave. Stop listening to the bodiless demons. The Lord Rebuke them
they will flee from Jesus' Holy Name. May God's peace be upon all His children.
Isaiah 66:23-24 (New King James Version)
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
24 “ And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
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Isaiah 66: 24
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
demons are abhorrent to all flesh but remember what God tells us:
2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
James 4:6-8 (New King James Version)
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“ God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”[a]
Humility Cures Worldliness
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
demons are abhorrent to all flesh but remember what God tells us:
2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
James 4:6-8 (New King James Version)
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“ God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”[a]
Humility Cures Worldliness
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Heb1:13.14.
V13. But towhich of the ANGELS said he at anytime,sit on my right hand, untill imake thine enemy thy footstool.
V14. Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation.
Angels are spirit creatures, they are not flesh and blood,they can materialise if they want.
V13. But towhich of the ANGELS said he at anytime,sit on my right hand, untill imake thine enemy thy footstool.
V14. Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation.
Angels are spirit creatures, they are not flesh and blood,they can materialise if they want.
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they can materialise if they want.
??? and how can spirit creatures do that?
You are just being stubborn and I will leave you in God's hands. If you will not listen....
what is the difference between demons and angels?
Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
John 1:51
He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man.”
why is there TWO words used to describe SPIRITS and ANGELS if ANGELS are SPIRITS?
Acts 23:7-9 (New International Version)
7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.) 9 There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,” they said. “What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”
Acts 23:7-9 (King James Version)
7And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 9And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
??? and how can spirit creatures do that?
You are just being stubborn and I will leave you in God's hands. If you will not listen....
what is the difference between demons and angels?
Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
John 1:51
He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man.”
why is there TWO words used to describe SPIRITS and ANGELS if ANGELS are SPIRITS?
Acts 23:7-9 (New International Version)
7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.) 9 There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,” they said. “What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”
Acts 23:7-9 (King James Version)
7And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 9And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.