EVIL IN HEAVEN?

[HeavenwithinYOU]

God knows what He's doing guys, whatever happens happens for a reason, we are to seek to be made one with GOD in Spirit and to serve Him, Satan can do that right now too, believe it, HE chooses not to, CHOICE... and that's a fact, serve yourself, hate God, or serve God and love Him... repent.... fast, pray, seek, this is Holy life. This is seeking God daily, to do His will, to reach others, to seek Him, to be balanced, making time for prayer, reading, fasting when you can, internally wanting God so bad that it hurts.. .then HE will come through and lift you up.

peace in Christ, now do me a favor, PRAISE HIS NAME right now, will ya? Bless ya!

 

[wakeup]

God knows what He's doing guys, whatever happens happens for a reason, we are to seek to be made one with GOD in Spirit and to serve Him, Satan can do that right now too, believe it, HE chooses not to, CHOICE... and that's a fact, serve yourself, hate God, or serve God and love Him... repent.... fast, pray, seek, this is Holy life. This is seeking God daily, to do His will, to reach others, to seek Him, to be balanced, making time for prayer, reading, fasting when you can, internally wanting God so bad that it hurts.. .then HE will come through and lift you up.

peace in Christ, now do me a favor, PRAISE HIS NAME right now, will ya? Bless ya!

You are avoiding the question; was there evil in heaven?

 

[AnandaHya]

Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

heaven is pretty high up there....

 

[wakeup]

Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

heaven is pretty high up there....

Where would lucifer be today if there was no earth, and men was not created? Just answer this question. Or ask your pastor,and make sure he answers the question and not tell you that we should not worry about these things. If we love God we want to know everything about God and heaven.

 

[wakeup]

Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

heaven is pretty high up there....

Wise in your own opinion is no wisdom,it is foolishness.

 

[AnandaHya]

Where would lucifer be today if there was no earth, and men was not created? Just answer this question. Or ask your pastor,and make sure he answers the question and not tell you that we should not worry about these things. If we love God we want to know everything about God and heaven.

thats easy read revelation. Lucifer has already been casted into Hell. but if you don't want that one here is one from Peter. notice the PAST tense of the verbs. just a thought.

2 Peter 2:4
[ Doom of False Teachers ] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

do you consider yourself a teacher wakeup?

 

[AnandaHya]

Wise in your own opinion is no wisdom,it is foolishness.

AGREED. but whose wisdom do you seek?

If God's then why do you not use HIS WORDS to exhort but based it on your interpretation? why not use scripture to shed light on scripture instead of your "thoughts" and "feelings"?

why does wakeup believe HE has the Truth and must exhort all others to listen when he does not need to listen but continues to tell people they are wrong and deceived?

Are you listening wakeup? Or are you just preaching?

all I've got to say is CROP FAILURE!

 

[wakeup]

AGREED. but whose wisdom do you seek?

If God's then why do you not use HIS WORDS to exhort but based it on your interpretation? why not use scripture to shed light on scripture instead of your "thoughts" and "feelings"?

why does wakeup believe HE has the Truth and must exhort all others to listen when he does not need to listen but continues to tell people they are wrong and deceived?

Are you listening wakeup? Or are you just preaching?

all I've got to say is CROP FAILURE!

Is it because you can not understand scripture when scripture is provided?
I have given scripture after scripture and you can not see,or understand.
what is the problem here, are you stiff necked or simply proud and refuse to see.
One should be glad if someone is trying to give you more knowledge,but you see it as an attack on your foundation and lash out in defence.If someone gives you a drink, you see it as if that person is trying to poison you.Is this the christian way? You do anything to defend what you have been taught, seeing him as your enemy trying to put you off guard.

Oh he must be from satan, have to put up my guard and lash out.

If you foundation is the truth, you should have no need trying to defend it,but correct it,with scriptures,so he also can benefit from your knowledge.Any one that teaches different from your basic foudation is an enemy to you,this way you will never increase in knowledge.

''wakeup''.

 

[AnandaHya]

Is it because you can not understand scripture when scripture is provided?
I have given scripture after scripture and you can not see,or understand.
what is the problem here, are you stiff necked or simply proud and refuse to see.
One should be glad if someone is trying to give you more knowledge,but you see it as an attack on your foundation and lash out in defence.If someone gives you a drink, you see it as if that person is trying to poison you.Is this the christian way? You do anything to defend what you have been taught, seeing him as your enemy trying to put you off guard.

Oh he must be from satan, have to put up my guard and lash out.

If you foundation is the truth, you should have no need trying to defend it,but correct it,with scriptures,so he also can benefit from your knowledge.Any one that teaches different from your basic foudation is an enemy to you,this way you will never increase in knowledge.

''wakeup''.

glad you have identified your problem now what are you going to do about it?

I don't attack people. I have changed my ideas and opinions when shown good scripture and logic. anyone who knows me or has been watching my posting will show you this. You can ask Zone. I listen to her criticism and though we still do not agree on some issues concerning spiritual gifts we have found come ground in our belief in the holiness of scripture.

this is a Bible discussion forum. I am discussing my views. why do you feel attack? why do you not stand and defend you words?

My beliefs need no defense. I do not argue for MY beliefs. I debate YOUR interpertation of SCRIPTURE. the debate is not about what I BELIEVE but what GOD SAYS. If I misread God's word, I am open to correction, but by lashing out at me you have shown that YOU are NOT listening but would rather play the victim.

Poor wakeup let us come and defend him for he can not understand why no one listens to his false doctrines and sermons. he doesn't understand why his views of what the Bible says is not just accepted as Gospel or why the scriptures that contradict his ideas matter enough to read and ponder upon. no it has to be doctrines of men, it has to be that the OTHER person is deluded and attacking him. poor poor wakeup.

sorry you can have a pity feast, but I just wanted to have a conversation with what I thought was a believer of Christ. If you were Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or someone who was not trying to teach people about Jesus and the Bible with false doctrines and Bible twisting I would remain silent, but I will remember that in Mark even the Demons called Jesus the Son of God.

Luke 4:41
And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!” And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.


and for you information I'm not indoctrinated my pastor and I have similar discussion when I don't agree with him.

 

[wakeup]

glad you have identified your problem now what are you going to do about it?

I don't attack people. I have changed my ideas and opinions when shown good scripture and logic. anyone who knows me or has been watching my posting will show you this. You can ask Zone. I listen to her criticism and though we still do not agree on some issues concerning spiritual gifts we have found come ground in our belief in the holiness of scripture.

this is a Bible discussion forum. I am discussing my views. why do you feel attack? why do you not stand and defend you words?

My beliefs need no defense. I do not argue for MY beliefs. I debate YOUR interpertation of SCRIPTURE. the debate is not about what I BELIEVE but what GOD SAYS. If I misread God's word, I am open to correction, but by lashing out at me you have shown that YOU are NOT listening but would rather play the victim.

Poor wakeup let us come and defend him for he can not understand why no one listens to his false doctrines and sermons. he doesn't understand why his views of what the Bible says is not just accepted as Gospel or why the scriptures that contradict his ideas matter enough to read and ponder upon. no it has to be doctrines of men, it has to be that the OTHER person is deluded and attacking him. poor poor wakeup.

sorry you can have a pity feast, but I just wanted to have a conversation with what I thought was a believer of Christ. If you were Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or someone who was not trying to teach people about Jesus and the Bible with false doctrines and Bible twisting I would remain silent, but I will remember that in Mark even the Demons called Jesus the Son of God.

Luke 4:41
And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!” And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.


and for you information I'm not indoctrinated my pastor and I have similar discussion when I don't agree with him.

yes, even the evil spirits can identify him as the son of God, why then can the world not understand, that he is the son of God.

 

[AnandaHya]

yes, even the evil spirits can identify him as the son of God, why then can the world not understand, that he is the son of God.

what does God's Holy word say is needed for salvation? are demons saved for proclaiming that Jesus is the son of God?

 

[wakeup]

what does God's Holy word say is needed for salvation? are demons saved for proclaiming that Jesus is the son of God?

We will judge angels, they will be sentenced by the saints.
After christs resurection he went down into the spirits in prison to preach to them.1Pet:19.20. 2Pet2:4--6. jude1:4--6.
But we dont know if they still have a chance, some of them at least.

 

[55scuba]

look in Rev 12: 7-9And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So yes satan is in heaven untill he is cast out by michael and Rev 12:7-9 is UNFULFILLED

 

[wakeup]

they can materialise if they want.

??? and how can spirit creatures do that?

You are just being stubborn and I will leave you in God's hands. If you will not listen....

what is the difference between demons and angels?

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


John 1:51
He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man.”


why is there TWO words used to describe SPIRITS and ANGELS if ANGELS are SPIRITS?

Acts 23:7-9 (New International Version)


7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.) 9 There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,” they said. “What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

Acts 23:7-9 (King James Version)



7And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 9And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.

Abraham was visited by 3 angels,if you can remember and these angels sat down and ate food prepared by abraham.

After the resurection of Jesus he materialised and showed him self to mary magdalene,and all the apostles, He stayed on earth for 40 days.

 

[wakeup]

they can materialise if they want.

??? and how can spirit creatures do that?

You are just being stubborn and I will leave you in God's hands. If you will not listen....

what is the difference between demons and angels?

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.


John 1:51
He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’ the Son of Man.”


why is there TWO words used to describe SPIRITS and ANGELS if ANGELS are SPIRITS?

Acts 23:7-9 (New International Version)


7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.) 9 There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,” they said. “What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

Acts 23:7-9 (King James Version)



7And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided.
8For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both. 9And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.

There are evil spirits; fallen angels; and holy angels. They are all in the spirit form.
We are just flesh, but we also will be given a spirit body after the resurection.
Jesus said that we will be as the angels.

 

[wakeup]

look in Rev 12: 7-9And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So yes satan is in heaven untill he is cast out by michael and Rev 12:7-9 is UNFULFILLED

This already happened, when the child is caught up to heaven(resurection) Jesus is cleaning up heaven. They can not enter heaven anymore.

 

[AnandaHya]

There are evil spirits; fallen angels; and holy angels. They are all in the spirit form.
We are just flesh, but we also will be given a spirit body after the resurection.
Jesus said that we will be as the angels.

wait you don't think humans have spirits? I have to disagree with you. Humans have both flesh AND spirit, water and fire

What about these Bible verses then, they show that MEN have BOTH body and spirit?

1 Corinthians 6:20
For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

1 Corinthians 15:46-52 (New King James Version)

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord[a] from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Our Final Victory


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.



it talks about our bodies being changed but does NOT say we have no spirit NOW.

 

[AnandaHya]

This already happened, when the child is caught up to heaven(resurection) Jesus is cleaning up heaven. They can not enter heaven anymore.

i was wondering about that, when do you think this happened?

 

[JisaL]

I hear there's no beer in heaven. That's pretty evil.

 

[AnandaHya]

Abraham was visited by 3 angels,if you can remember and these angels sat down and ate food prepared by abraham.

After the resurection of Jesus he materialised and showed him self to mary magdalene,and all the apostles, He stayed on earth for 40 days.

the thing is I think both angels and humans have both spirit and flesh... why do you think differently?