Evolution and Creation

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eternally-gratefull

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The theory of evolution doesn't explain that life always moves from less complex to more complex - simply that descent with modification causes populations to diversity.

If all you're saying is that the theory of evolution requires dna to change over time, then I'm afraid all you're actually saying is that the theory demands dna do exactly what we observe that it does - change over time. If that was your best argument, I shudder to imagine what your other ones were.

lol. Typical. You ignore the question of where DNA came in the first place.

You also ignore the fact that DNA does and is requires to come from the basic first life forms. to the more complex life forms.
 
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lol. Typical. You ignore the question of where DNA came in the first place.
The theory of evolution does not address where DNA came from, it explains the diversity of life that we presently observe.

You also ignore the fact that DNA does and is requires to come from the basic first life forms. to the more complex life forms.
The fact that DNA does this requires that DNA replicate with variation. We observe that DNA replicates with variation. Again, all you're doing is claiming that for evolution to happen things need to be EXACTLY like how we observe they actually are.

Since we know that DNA does this, there's not problem for evolution. If you'd like to learn more about this I'd suggest the excellent Learn Genetics page from the University of Utah, specifically I think the Sources of Variations module is a great place to start. Enjoy!
 
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The theory of evolution does not address where DNA came from, it explains the diversity of life that we presently observe.
1. Then your theory has no basis. Because it has and is forced to explain where DNA came from. otherwise it has no basis.
2. What diversity of life? There is no scientific evidence that lifeforms have evolved past minor changes within a particular species. Which would not prove creation as a false idea.

The fact that DNA does this requires that DNA replicate with variation. We observe that DNA replicates with variation. Again, all you're doing is claiming that for evolution to happen things need to be EXACTLY like how we observe they actually are.

Since we know that DNA does this, there's not problem for evolution.
There is a huge problem for evolution my friend. Because of how DNA works. Based on your arguments. I doubt you understand fully how DNA RNA works in sequence and what actually happens.
 
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1. Then your theory has no basis. Because it has and is forced to explain where DNA came from. otherwise it has no basis.
2. What diversity of life? There is no scientific evidence that lifeforms have evolved past minor changes within a particular species. Which would not prove creation as a false idea.
Not at all actually. In science, theories are developed to explain a specific set of facts. That a particular theory does not explain every fact in existence does not invalidate it as a good explanation. If this were so then germ theory would be invalidated because it doesn't explain where germs come from, plate tectonics would be invalidated because it doesn't explain the origin of matter, and relativity would be invalidated because it doesn't explain the origins of matter and energy.

You may have noticed that all living things don't look the same - we call this "diversity". In point of fact there is a huge amount of evidence both from fossil records, genetics, and morphology that shows life has diversified over time.

There is a huge problem for evolution my friend. Because of how DNA works. Based on your arguments. I doubt you understand fully how DNA RNA works in sequence and what actually happens.
Please see the update to my last post for some links to where you can start remedying this misconception. . .unless you're under the impression that the University of Utah's Genetic Science and Learning center don't understand how DNA works.
 
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I don't believe the world was created in 6 literal days. By literal I mean 24-hour days. I believe the word day in Genesis was used in an allegorical sense to designate 6 creational epochs, not necessarily of time, but of GOD's creative genius.
Hmmm... Ok. I'm not sure if I've heard that argument before. What is your interpretation of the "evening and morning" being one day?
 
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Not at all actually. In science, theories are developed to explain a specific set of facts. That a particular theory does not explain every fact in existence does not invalidate it as a good explanation. If this were so then germ theory would be invalidated because it doesn't explain where germs come from, plate tectonics would be invalidated because it doesn't explain the origin of matter, and relativity would be invalidated because it doesn't explain the origins of matter and energy.

You may have noticed that all living things don't look the same - we call this "diversity". In point of fact there is a huge amount of evidence both from fossil records, genetics, and morphology that shows life has diversified over time.

Oh there is based on what? Not on science. But on Theory




Please see the update to my last post for some links to where you can start remedying this misconception. . .unless you're under the impression that the University of Utah's Genetic Science and Learning center don't understand how DNA works.
lol. I have studied the science of DNA from athiests and from creational points of view.

I already showed you a link where one of the largest proponents of evolution admits there must be some sort of creation. And his logic is some advanced civilization of aliens came and created life on earth. Of course the question then comes to mind. Who created their DNA?
 

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It is funny to me that evelutionists avoid the subject that evelution is a theory. How theories change in science are often proved and often disproved. Evelution is a theory that all science agrees can never be proven. Because the exact events can never be recreated. Funny how the key to that is created.

Yet despite all that they can put faith in the "theory" derived from an unstable man.

Faith is a strange thing indeed.

Faith in science theories gives you I suppose some possibly false understanding in things...

Faith is Christ gives eternal life.

What is sad is why would anyone want to discount God's miracles. I once saw a flower in the snow. Maybe some scientist out there can offer some theory into how this came to be, I suppose maybe they could even to prove it to be fact.
As for me I don't want it proved I prefer it to simply be one of God's many gifts of beauty and wonder.

Can science explain Christ's love for me? No it can't

Im grateful He loves me always

I try to learn all I can about God but remain like a child in my approach. I often pray to stay innocent of wordly things.
maybe then I will always come to Him as a child who loves Him and has no need for science
 
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I beleieve that the Big bang theory is true what sayesth thou
 
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Oh there is based on what? Not on science. But on Theory
I'm afraid not. In science, theories are developed to explain facts, not the other way around.

lol. I have studied the science of DNA from athiests and from creational points of view.


Apparently not particularly well if you don't understand that DNA undergoes mutations, that mutations can produce beneficial traits, and that these traits - if favored by an organism's environment - are more likely to be passed on to offspring.

I already showed you a link where one of the largest proponents of evolution admits there must be some sort of creation. And his logic is some advanced civilization of aliens came and created life on earth. Of course the question then comes to mind. Who created their DNA?
No, you showed me a clip of a quote mine. Do you need me to explain why this is a dishonest debate tactic?
 
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I'm afraid not. In science, theories are developed to explain facts, not the other way around.



[/B][/COLOR]Apparently not particularly well if you don't understand that DNA undergoes mutations, that mutations can produce beneficial traits, and that these traits - if favored by an organism's environment - are more likely to be passed on to offspring.


No, you showed me a clip of a quote mine. Do you need me to explain why this is a dishonest debate tactic?

How old is this earth ?
 
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Hmmm... Ok. I'm not sure if I've heard that argument before. What is your interpretation of the "evening and morning" being one day?
Allegorical language for the beginning and ending of each creative epoch.
 
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And God said let there be light and BANG there was light
okayy looks like God created the big BANG

BANG:)
 
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I'm afraid not. In science, theories are developed to explain facts, not the other way around.

I am afraid not. Your science is based on theories, because we were not there when these so called fossils were formed.

Catastrophism (the global flood) just as easily, if not more completely explains the same thing.. So you can not state fact!



[/B][/COLOR]Apparently not particularly well if you don't understand that DNA undergoes mutations, that mutations can produce beneficial traits, and that these traits - if favored by an organism's environment - are more likely to be passed on to offspring.
I never denied this.

Again, Science has proved this happens within a species. But the species is still the same. There is no scientific evidence this has happened where a new species was formed


No, you showed me a clip of a quote mine. Do you need me to explain why this is a dishonest debate tactic?

And here you go again. I just went back to the post and clicked the youtube link. Who is being dishonest here but you??


Lets try this again.

Richard Dawkins and Aliens
 

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I beleieve that the Big bang theory is true what sayesth thou
I say it's a theory so by actuality it is nothing but a theory. The very fact that it is not fact but theory means I put no faith in it at all.

I believe in Jesus and His message and nothing else. My faith as God requested is n Him alone. This does not mean I deny scientific fact.

Science can not prove evolution or big bang, thus it takes faith to believe.

Faith for me s placed in God alone
 
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It is funny to me that evelutionists avoid the subject that evelution is a theory. How theories change in science are often proved and often disproved. Evelution is a theory that all science agrees can never be proven. Because the exact events can never be recreated. Funny how the key to that is created.
There is no theory in science that has ever been "proved", because in science theories are not "proven". They are supported by evidence. Take the Germ Theory of Disease, this states that many diseases are, in fact, caused by germs. This is supported by an enormous amount of evidence, so much so that it would be absurd to say that it's "just a theory", yet it remains so because in science a theory is the top of the food chain; it's the best; there is nothing "higher".

Yet despite all that they can put faith in the "theory" derived from an unstable man.
Do you drive? Take medicine? Use any form of technology? If so you are also trusting theories derived by human beings by the interrogation of nature. If you look back in history no doubt you will find many societies that spurned theories derived by men using observation and evidence in favor of religious teachings. I daresay you will find none of them very appealing.

What is sad is why would anyone want to discount God's miracles. I once saw a flower in the snow. Maybe some scientist out there can offer some theory into how this came to be, I suppose maybe they could even to prove it to be fact.
This reminds me of a quote from the physicist, Richard Feynman, talking about how he sees flowers: Ode to a Flower.
 
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Yes well, I've actually read the book you're quote mining, which means I know that Darwin's writing style was to pose a question and then go about answering it. Most of the chapter this quote is from (chapter 9) explains why this isn't the case.
Yet the transitional fossils don't exist. Darwin himself stated that was devastating to his theory.
 
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I say it's a theory so by actuality it is nothing but a theory. The very fact that it is not fact but theory means I put no faith in it at all.

I believe in Jesus and His message and nothing else. My faith as God requested is n Him alone. This does not mean I deny scientific fact.

Science can not prove evolution or big bang, thus it takes faith to believe.

Faith for me s placed in God alone
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And God said let there be light and BANG there was light
okayy looks like God created the big BANG

BANG:)
 
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There is no theory in science that has ever been "proved", because in science theories are not "proven". They are supported by evidence. Take the Germ Theory of Disease, this states that many diseases are, in fact, caused by germs. This is supported by an enormous amount of evidence, so much so that it would be absurd to say that it's "just a theory", yet it remains so because in science a theory is the top of the food chain; it's the best; there is nothing "higher".



Do you drive? Take medicine? Use any form of technology? If so you are also trusting theories derived by human beings by the interrogation of nature. If you look back in history no doubt you will find many societies that spurned theories derived by men using observation and evidence in favor of religious teachings. I daresay you will find none of them very appealing.



This reminds me of a quote from the physicist, Richard Feynman, talking about how he sees flowers: Ode to a Flower.


You need to read the bible

Did Noah build a ship ?

[h=3]Proverbs 8:12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

 
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Yet the transitional fossils don't exist. Darwin himself stated that was devastating to his theory.

It is worst than this.

So called species that were supposed to be extinct billions of years ago are all of a sudden showing up, with no evidence that their race continued throughout these billions of years. One must ask why is this?

Is it because it has not been billions of years? or is it because the fossils were made during the flood. And not by things which (according to his hypothosis) we can not even create today.
 
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There is no theory in science that has ever been "proved", because in science theories are not "proven". They are supported by evidence. Take the Germ Theory of Disease, this states that many diseases are, in fact, caused by germs. This is supported by an enormous amount of evidence, so much so that it would be absurd to say that it's "just a theory", yet it remains so because in science a theory is the top of the food chain; it's the best; there is nothing "higher".



Do you drive? Take medicine? Use any form of technology? If so you are also trusting theories derived by human beings by the interrogation of nature. If you look back in history no doubt you will find many societies that spurned theories derived by men using observation and evidence in favor of religious teachings. I daresay you will find none of them very appealing.



This reminds me of a quote from the physicist, Richard Feynman, talking about how he sees flowers: Ode to a Flower.

looks like Daniel and his fellows were scientist

[h=3]Daniel 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.
2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.
3 And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, and of the king's seed, and of the princes;
4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.