Evolution and Creation

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jimmydiggs

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#82
Do you believe in God? Do you believe Christ is your savior?

I ask these questions because I am trying to see if you believe in God and science theories that disagree with His word.
While we disagree about validaty of theory. I would like to understand without judgement or trying to prove you wrong what you actually believe. I am aware I debate validaty of science theory. Thus you know my stand. While you have not agreed, I feel you have been genuine and respectful in hearing me out.

So what I am asking is simply.. Your view on God and your view on evolution and creation. Also it's okay to simplify cause if you go to deep on the science side I may get confused.

Also sorry if at any point I have been disrespectful

God bless and all my love,
lexi
No, he strongly dislikes God. This is his website. He's been here before.

Itinerant Lurker | Remedying a Poverty of Knowledge <--- click

http://christianchat.com/member.php?u=58354 <--- click

He said he was a Christian, but wasn't. It was to fool people.
 
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Then you clearly did not read it because it wasn't a single paper but a survey of multiple papers and findings over the last few decades. If you think you can refute this paper then kindly do so, otherwise your claim has clearly been invalidated.
Well since I'm not that interested in the subject, I'll just post on online refutation of something similar.

In Explaining the Cambrian Explosion, Has the TalkOrigins Archive Resolved Darwin's Dilemma? - Evolution News & Views
 

alexis

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I am sorry... Please don't ever keep your child from religion. My stepmom does that to me condemning me and calling me crazy cause I accept Christ it is hurtful and hard. Please let them choose without judgement.

Also I won't communicate with you on any subjects anymore not because we disagree but I thought you believed and thus was trying to guide you in what I see Jesus doing for me. If you have stumbled away from God I fear I could accidentally push you further away by voicing contrary opinion to yours.

But I will always be here to talk if you want and you probably don't believe me but if you read back you will say when I spoke of faith in Christ I spoke as related to me. I don't judge you. Your relationship with Christ is between you and Him.

Also you might not believe me but I love you,
lexi
 

Huckleberry

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This paragraph is nonsense. Evolution requires descent with modification - that descent with modification occurs is a fact.
What's nonsense is the conflation of "descent with modification" with macro-evolution.
The phrase itself is little more than an utterly pointless meme.

You evolutionists love to demand that we "define kind".
I've defined it for you: Genus.

Give one example of any organism ever observed producing offspring of a different genus from itself.

Just one. Observed. Ever.
 
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nathan3

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Thanks! You've raised a few questions... First of all, what is your basis for believing the earth is billions of years old? Why not trillions, millions, or thousands?

Secondly, how do you connect 2 Peter 3:8 with the Genesis account of creation? 2 Peter 3:8 is not defining God's definition of a day.
For the date: I'm Simply looking at the creation its self. Gen 1:1 dose not say when. So by default , I look at the world around me. I'm also not a geologist, or familiar with the dating methods. So I'm going with what is the accepted consensus about the date for the earth .

I connect Genesis, with Peter , because of the other teachings that you have to be familiar with ( that I touched upon in my previous response ) if you want to get this , and where I'm pointing to, you have to be familiar with more scriptures about this then.

In the Bible there is something called, three ages. Phrases used like, foundations of the world, predestination ,and like I said already ages, and many other things .

Once you get a grasp of those scriptures, then this comes together . and you can maybe see better what I'm referring to. Why and showing you how it connects , and documenting that from scripture is not easy for me to do.

So I will try to respond in a week, as I study it closer, and take down notes . When I get a response together that is thorough . I'll post it here, or to my blog and send a link.
 
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And here you go again. I just went back to the post and clicked the youtube link. Who is being dishonest here but you??

Lets try this again.

Richard Dawkins and Aliens
The only thing dishonest here is the video. Notice how comments and ratings are disabled.
This seems to be a trend of extremely religious biased videos. Just censor everything so
they can't question it, right?

Furthermore, who cares what Richard Dawkins thinks? He's a biologist who is also an
atheist, big deal. There are no authorities in science.

Do you think Richard Dawkins represents all atheists or all evolutionary biologists?

Should I think the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The only thing dishonest here is the video. Notice how comments and ratings are disabled.
This seems to be a trend of extremely religious biased videos. Just censor everything so
they can't question it, right?

Furthermore, who cares what Richard Dawkins thinks? He's a biologist who is also an
atheist, big deal. There are no authorities in science.

Do you think Richard Dawkins represents all atheists or all evolutionary biologists?

Should I think the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians?
1. Try researching Youtube. It is a small cut-out of the whole conversation. There are many on there. that was just the first I found. Just because comments is off in one does not mean it is in all. The one I used an a teaching of mine about 6 months ago had many comments in it.
2. He is considered by the evolutionist community to be one of the main scientists in their field. Unlike your example of some off the wall baptist church (you should study some before you make such arguments)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What's nonsense is the conflation of "descent with modification" with macro-evolution.
The phrase itself is little more than an utterly pointless meme.

You evolutionists love to demand that we "define kind".
I've defined it for you: Genus.

Give one example of any organism ever observed producing offspring of a different genus from itself.

Just one. Observed. Ever.
They can't, because it has never happened. They just want to continue give an open ended argument. and go around in Circles. Which most of their arguments do in the first place.
Romans 1 and 2 Peter 3 speak well of them.
 
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1. Try researching Youtube. It is a small cut-out of the whole conversation. There are many on there. that was just the first I found. Just because comments is off in one does not mean it is in all. The one I used an a teaching of mine about 6 months ago had many comments in it.
2. He is considered by the evolutionist community to be one of the main scientists in their field. Unlike your example of some off the wall baptist church (you should study some before you make such arguments)
1. How about you give the guy a chance to defend himself? Did you take the time to research that?
[video=youtube;6XpP5jsg5kM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XpP5jsg5kM[/video]

2. Is he really? Or is he just a well known author that writes books you don't agree with?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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1. How about you give the guy a chance to defend himself? Did you take the time to research that?
[video=youtube;6XpP5jsg5kM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XpP5jsg5kM[/video]

2. Is he really? Or is he just a well known author that writes books you don't agree with?
You explain to me why he said something about not knowing where the DNA came from, And says we might find out at some future date that aliens from some advanced Civilization came and created life.

Those are his words, not mine. And do not sit here and try to say it was chopped up. It was not.

why would he admit intelligent design of any type if he did not believe it?
 
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megaman125

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#94
The only thing dishonest here is the video. Notice how comments and ratings are disabled.
This seems to be a trend of extremely religious biased videos. Just censor everything so
they can't question it, right?

Furthermore, who cares what Richard Dawkins thinks? He's a biologist who is also an
atheist, big deal. There are no authorities in science.

Do you think Richard Dawkins represents all atheists or all evolutionary biologists?

Should I think the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians?
Guys, look at his join date, it's today. It's obvious this is the same troll that was just banned. Just stop feeding him and report him.
 
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tcorn

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#95
For the date: I'm Simply looking at the creation its self. Gen 1:1 dose not say when. So by default , I look at the world around me. I'm also not a geologist, or familiar with the dating methods. So I'm going with what is the accepted consensus about the date for the earth .

I connect Genesis, with Peter , because of the other teachings that you have to be familiar with ( that I touched upon in my previous response ) if you want to get this , and where I'm pointing to, you have to be familiar with more scriptures about this then.

In the Bible there is something called, three ages. Phrases used like, foundations of the world, predestination ,and like I said already ages, and many other things .

Once you get a grasp of those scriptures, then this comes together . and you can maybe see better what I'm referring to. Why and showing you how it connects , and documenting that from scripture is not easy for me to do.

So I will try to respond in a week, as I study it closer, and take down notes . When I get a response together that is thorough . I'll post it here, or to my blog and send a link.
Hmmm... I was wondering about what you thought about the date because you said you did not believe in evolution... The "accepted consensus" for the date of the earth was derived from evolutionists who refuse to believe in a God Who is able to create the whole universe with a simple command and in a moment of time. I don't want it to seem like I'm criticizing your position... you just seem a little inconsistent... and I may even be misunderstanding your position.
Please do to let me know when you've done a little research... I'm very interested in how you've come to your conclusions. Thanks!
 

alexis

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Not to be a pest but scientist who dated the Earth use radio metric age dating in the science of geology it's much like carbon dating but with radioactive materials in rocks instead of carbon particles.. It has nothing at all to do with evelution.
though I'm sure most evolutionist would subscribe to this dating process...

Okay random science facts done for the day lol

By the way before I'm asked I did not say I believe any of that it was just a science clarification

I have faith in God and the salvation which comes from Christ.
love you all,
lexi
 
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nathan3

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Hmmm... I was wondering about what you thought about the date because you said you did not believe in evolution... The "accepted consensus" for the date of the earth was derived from evolutionists who refuse to believe in a God Who is able to create the whole universe with a simple command and in a moment of time. I don't want it to seem like I'm criticizing your position... you just seem a little inconsistent... and I may even be misunderstanding your position.
Please do to let me know when you've done a little research... I'm very interested in how you've come to your conclusions. Thanks!
Christian scientist I go with also date it that old. It should not need repeating but will again : I stated that in my previous post (Not evolution ) I don't believe in evolution. The date to the earth has nothing to do with evolution for me. Regardless if a evolutionists may hold the same date to be accurate. The scriptures I covered are about the creation

I try to stay away from assumptions , and gather multiple witnesses , before forming conclusions on a thing .It allows God's words do the talking. I will try to be more , detailed then I already have about this; maybe some time in the next week or two if , interested in my notes.. In the mean time, I see you didn't really grasp what I was pointing to. Try to read what I wrote there a few more times. Maybe it will clarify for you what I'm trying to say.
 
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