EVOLUTION is in GENESIS chapter 1

[icilian]

*giggle*

Youuu fuuuuunnny.


My only concern is that there is a lot of misinformation about science out there, so whenever I come across anything that could make people the wrong thing I want to put a little comment on so that people get to understand it better. It's incredible (to me) how little understanding of the subject people seem to come out of standard education with, and there are public relation campaigns to convince people that science is or says things it isn't or doesn't say, so..

ya know, got to do your bit.

 

[Lillibeth]

i just said it was lame coz we're talking about that in my Ocean class. The creation of the universe, and how we're "all made from stardust!" what a load of bull....

xD sorry.

 

[Jenesis]

Y'all should read Case For A Creator by Lee Strobel. It's awesome. Darwinism goes down in flames!

 

[icilian]

Y'all should read Case For A Creator by Lee Strobel. It's awesome. Darwinism goes down in flames!

My prevailing experience of people who read up literature to 'refute' 'darwinism' (i do wish we'd stop calling it that, it somewhat misses the massive advancements we've made since the basic proposition that Darwin put forwards) is that they don't understand A) science or B) Evolution in particular at all well.

 

[icilian]

So while, of course, you can read literature against it, I'd encourage people to actually understand what those two subjects consist of in as serious away as time allows. I don't mind there being discussion, but many of the creationist talking-points are so old, rebutted, wasted arguments - and people who don't understand the topic to start with won't ever pick up on that.

And when they don't, they spread the same arguments to people who also don't understand those two subjects above very well, and it goes on and on. and on. And eventually ends in parents petitioning school-boards to teach as science something that isn't science and to try to limit or omit the correct teaching of something that is, because they just don't understand it at all well. It'll destroy america's ability to produce as many good scientists as it would otherwise be capable of, and science is a tool we rely on for continuing improvements in quality of life.

 

[Lillibeth]

I knew this would come up! xD I just did my history thesis paper on the Scopes' Monkey Trial. This hurts my brain. A lot. xD That paper went against all my beliefs... but I couldn't prove the trial justified. It was kind of lame... but I got an A on the paper! xD Yeah. That paper scarred me for life....

Anyways. Separation of Church and State is all I gots to say.

 

[Jenesis]

Um what makes you think I don't understand? I understand it very well my friend and I know all the pro-evolution arguments very well. I think it is you who doesn't understand creationism very well or the power of our God. Plus the book is from the viewpoint of many scientists and people who also understand evolution very well. The book itself is written by an ex-Darwin fan who figured out the whole evolution thing is a farce and is now (thank God) a Christian. And evolutionists also use the same tired, false and unfounded arguments for evolution whereas we use God's word which stands taller than the word of any scientist on this planet. There's nothing you could say that we haven't heard before... the same old recycled desperation to try and disprove creationism. Well we got faith and we KNOW God exists. And what have you got? The word of Charles Darwin. YAY.

 

[icilian]

Um what makes you think I don't understand? I understand it very well my friend and I know all the pro-evolution arguments very well. I think it is you who doesn't understand creationism very well or the power of our God.

I am talking to the public at large, so that they do not launch into creationist books without understanding the theory of which they're generally being critical. This is patently true from many of the public relations attempts carried out by the more vocal creationist speakers (lee sorbel aside, I only watched a little of his and cannot remember what my impression was in any case)

 

[icilian]

Plus the book is from the viewpoint of many scientists and people who also understand evolution very well. The book itself is written by an ex-Darwin fan who figured out the whole evolution thing is a farce and is now (thank God) a Christian.

There are scientists who don't agree with evolution, to be sure - but of the people in the most direct study area (ie, biology) there is massive consensus behind evolution. The scientific community as a whole is also in a similar consensus. The idea that there is a great controversy amongst the professionals seems to be entirely unfounded - there are a few loud voices of dissent, nothing more.

 

[icilian]

There's nothing you could say that we haven't heard before... the same old recycled desperation to try and disprove creationism. Well we got faith and we KNOW God exists. And what have you got? The word of Charles Darwin. YAY.

That last sentence highlights one of the fundamental problems - that people don't understand that the first proponent of a theory has often the weakest understanding of it. The years that have passed in the investigation of the theory has brought many, many refinements of understanding. Darwin is not to evolution what God is to the bible.

And nor is his word remotely important out of the context of evidence. It is only in light of the supporting evidence that it would ever be considered, and it is on the back of that that evolution has progressed.

Evolution also doesn't state that God doesn't exist, and the two positions are not irreconcilable - I personally knowing plenty of christians who do think evolution happened.

 

[RoboOp]

Um what makes you think I don't understand? I understand it very well my friend and I know all the pro-evolution arguments very well. I think it is you who doesn't understand creationism very well or the power of our God. Plus the book is from the viewpoint of many scientists and people who also understand evolution very well. The book itself is written by an ex-Darwin fan who figured out the whole evolution thing is a farce and is now (thank God) a Christian. And evolutionists also use the same tired, false and unfounded arguments for evolution whereas we use God's word which stands taller than the word of any scientist on this planet. There's nothing you could say that we haven't heard before... the same old recycled desperation to try and disprove creationism. Well we got faith and we KNOW God exists. And what have you got? The word of Charles Darwin. YAY.

Amen sista!

I ain't so ejucated like yous folks so I'm glad for sistas like you who is smart enuff to speak on these thangs.

As for me, I just stick to my KJV, and my NIV.. I figyure that's the safest thang to do.

And it does say dere that God made the first man from dust... not a monkey, but dust. And the first woman was made from that man's rib. Ain't that a wee bit diffrent from what some of these scientists say, who don't believe that dere is a God?

Pardon me, I'm a simple man and I just believe what my KJV says.

Oh and Icilian if you believe that man came from monkey, can you please just tell us in plain talk? Coz I just like for folks to speak strait, you know. And it kinda seems like you ain't plainly saying what you believe. No offense to you partner, just asking for you to speak strait and simple for simple folk like me.

 

[icilian]

Oh and Icilian if you believe that man came from monkey, can you please just tell us in plain talk? Coz I just like for folks to speak strait, you know. And it kinda seems like you ain't plainly saying what you believe. No offense to you partner, just asking for you to speak strait and simple for simple folk like me.

Yes.

But then I don't have a religious reason not to believe it - and the evidence for that explanation is vast. But I'm not arguing for people to believe the same thing. They can have their preferred explanation as their belief if they so wish.

 

[icilian]

What aggravates me is when it touches on science - and the number of scientifically illiterate mistakes or downright lies I've heard from the creationist movement has made it so that I want people to be educated in science before they give themselves over to be suckered in by just any argument. It's easy to have an argument fly with someone who doesn't know enough to correct it. It gets much tougher when good education is involved.

Hence why I am trying to make sure that where potentially misleading statements are made, there's some amending comment attached where it's within my understanding.

 

[icilian]

I'm not saying 'Man came from monkey, blahblahblahblah' because what I believe isn't the issue here - I'm just promoting people have good understanding of science before they get talked to about where some people suppose the scientific community have got it wrong. The unejucated folk, such as yoons, don't have the knowledge it takes to call foul on the more spurious of their claims, so it flies really well with joe public who don't really understand the issues.

Now, I'm not saying it goes for all, but it goes for most in my experience watching the presentations, reading through web information, listening to debates and school board meeting clips, it certainly goes for the majority. That people are buy it hinders one of the most fundamental pillars of our society.
- a good understanding of science.

 

[JesusSavior]

I don't mean to be rude, but I truly believe that God revealed his message through the Bible and that evolution is a perversion of the Truth God has presented to us.

 

[eric51]

The only thing science can prove is enviromental adaption. That is why you have people of diiferent height and build as well as skin - eye - hair color. That is why there are different breeds of dog although a dog is still a dog no matter how big or small. The same could be said for any other animal.

However, the one thing science can not prove is darwinism, which is the belief that one species over a long period of time can evolve into an entirely different species. Not ONLY have they yet to find one missing link between the millions of diiferent species that have existed on earth over time but genetically it is also impossible due to the fact that cells which have been damaged or radically altered become cancerous and quickly die. I believe this to be God's little insurance policy against man's tampering with DNA.

What science has done for over a century is to provide evidence that how species adapt or fail to do so to environmental conditions, affects their survival. The evidence compiled is compelling. Your statement on failure to find missing links is problematic: we have intermediary specimens of the whale which was once a terrestrial mammall, we have specimens of dinosaurs becoming birds and of various dinosaurs evolving into different ones. These are just a few. I am not an expert and do not know of all the evidence. Moreover, genetic evidence can survive, under the right conditions, for millions of years.

While evolution as a general theory, is only that, a theory, the evidence for it is quite compelling.

However, most importantly, evolution is not a topic of Faith. It is a topic for science. Those who try to use the bible as a tool for teaching how species came to be, are MISUSING the Bible, and are bringing considerable disrepute and embarassment to Christianity.

What Christans need to believe is that however, species came to be, however new species came to be, God is the origin of all creation, and man's soul comes directly from God.

Be in Christ

Amen

 

[Slepsog4]

In the beginning God CREATED.... He did not evolve things into existence. The first man was fully human, etc.

 

[Slepsog4]

It is a serious mistake to try to interpret the Bible in light of theoretical science. This puts the Word of God at the whim of man.

The proper order is to examine and interpret scientific observations in light of the Bible.

 

[Thaddaeus]

There's obviously something odd about the way this guy is presenting his material, but acknowledging evolution does not need to contradict Christian doctrine. And if it is true, it needs to be acknowledged. Francis Collins, head of the Human Genome Project, and Dr. Ken Miller, professor of biology at Brown University, are both Christians and support the theory of evolution. Dr. Miller was, in fact, a key witness against Intelligent Design theory during the Dover, Pennsylvania teaching-creationism-in-schools trial a few years ago. I hope we're not censoring free thought and honest debate here.

in order to be a Christian you must believe that God gave us guidelines through his Word, you then must believe that God can not lie as it says in scripture , a person that says they believe in evolution can not Believe in the Bible, For God created He ddin't evolve them. if Genesis is not correct How can we know if John , or matthew , romans are true, again GH we can't pick and chose what parts of the bible is true and which parts are not true
1co 5:6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

 

[Thaddaeus]

What aggravates me is when it touches on science - and the number of scientifically illiterate mistakes or downright lies I've heard from the creationist movement has made it so that I want people to be educated in science before they give themselves over to be suckered in by just any argument. It's easy to have an argument fly with someone who doesn't know enough to correct it. It gets much tougher when good education is involved.

Hence why I am trying to make sure that where potentially misleading statements are made, there's some amending comment attached where it's within my understanding.

Ro 1:18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Ro 1:19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.Ro 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Ro 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Ro 1:22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,Ro 1:23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Ro 1:24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Ro 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.