examples of speaking in tongues - need verification and explanations, please

[DJ2]

God "proves" the validity of praying in tongues at every worship meeting
whereby we operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit:
the gift of diversity of tongues
followed by the gift of interpretation
up to 3 times

and also again up to 3 times the gift of prophecy

throughout this God himself extols us to pray in the spiritual language
that He has given to true worshippers born of the Holy Spirit.
We are commanded to pray daily and to build up our faith by yielding
to the Spirit in our direct communication to Jesus and to our Father.

And in return our Pentecostal Fellowship worldwide has no shortage
of testimonies to miracles, healings, blessings, divine protection at
times of peril, divine providence, blessings:
what we call answered prayer.

If any of what you claim is true, they would have to rip the roofs off your churches to lower the lame.

 

[Lewiz]

How can we "prove" the gifts to individuals who don't believe in them & don't have discernment in the first place because of that unbelief?

Isn't this what's known as circular reasoning?

 

[Waggles]

How can we "prove" the gifts to individuals who don't believe in them & don't have discernment in the first place because of that unbelief?
Isn't this what's known as circular reasoning?

Yes a most excellent point.
I doubt that Jesus himself could convince DJ2 that the Holy Spirit is alive and
well, and fully functioning in the Spirit-filled church.
Distributing the nine gifts.

While the likes of DJ2 and his ilk stand facing to a wall with a paper bag
over their heads with their fingers in their ears; God is calling others to salvation
through the one and only gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles and written
down in my NT.

That is why Pentecost is referred to as the full gospel of salvation.

 

[Didymous]

at 17:30 in the above video, the narrator says there is a religious demon named Stop-Tongue.

the demon Stop-Tongue floods the person on the brink of receiving tongues with every religious sounding argument for not carrying through.

has anyone heard of this demon?

The demon stop-tongue? That gave me the best laugh I've had in days! Thanks for sharing.

 

[garee]

Yes a most excellent point.
I doubt that Jesus himself could convince DJ2 that the Holy Spirit is alive and
well, and fully functioning in the Spirit-filled church.
Distributing the nine gifts.


While the likes of DJ2 and his ilk stand facing to a wall with a paper bag
over their heads with their fingers in their ears; God is calling others to salvation
through the one and only gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles and written
down in my NT.

That is why Pentecost is referred to as the full gospel of salvation.

The word of God implies the circular reasoning of God.

What would Pentecost have to do with it?

Who said Pentecost is referred to as the full gospel ofsalvation?

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Tongues are a sign to those who rebel, prophecy for the those who believe God without first seeing.(the faith principle )

The kingdom of God does not come by observation

No such thing as a sign gift.

Its what the apostate Jews who turned things upside down sought after before they would believe God.

We walk by faith, as in believing prophecy is seeing, and not by sight as in believing is seeing?

 

[DJ2]

Yes a most excellent point.
I doubt that Jesus himself could convince DJ2 that the Holy Spirit is alive and
well, and fully functioning in the Spirit-filled church.
Distributing the nine gifts.

While the likes of DJ2 and his ilk stand facing to a wall with a paper bag
over their heads with their fingers in their ears; God is calling others to salvation
through the one and only gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles and written
down in my NT.

That is why Pentecost is referred to as the full gospel of salvation.

No one needs to be convinced of the obvious. No one needs a science book to be convinced that gravity is real, its effects are conspicuous. Yet Pentecostals will attempt to use scripture to prove what should not need to be proved. This is the point that you don't seem to grasp.

Jesus and the apostles used physical and supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit to prove their authority and message. They did not use scripture to prove the manifestations themselves. This is the point that you don't seem to grasp.

My eyes and ears are wide open to the will of God but what is being presented as conformation is of the same human reasoning for belief in space aliens, bigfoot, and Loch Ness. You Tubes clips, books, second hand stories, "oh, you just missed it" or "you just don't want to believe it" is nothing more then human reasoning attempts to convince others of something that should be self-evident. This is the point you don't seem to grasp.

 

[Locutus]

There`s a lot of demon stop-signs in Canada - time to spend money on roundabouts..

 

[Didymous]

Hahahahaha! Thanks for a good laugh, sir!

 

[Didymous]

I've never spoken in tongues, but I know many who claim they do, and that's alright with me. What I don't understand is why some claim that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit, for the following reasons: Most making that claim point to Acts 2:2-11. I've studied that enough to know that no one I know of speaks tongues like those folks did back then. As far as what Paul wrote of in 1 Corinthians, he made it clear that tongues was a sign for those that believe not, so are there that many churches with that many people who don't believe? I've never been to a Pentecostal church where unbelievers came and stayed , because most of them left and never came back-after witnessing people who seemed insane. I remember as a child, when my grandmother went to Pentecostal churches, thinking they were all crazy.
As has been said more than once before by others, there's no way to prove speaking in tongues. The scriptures used are often taken out of context, or twisted to mean something they don't.

 

[RickyZ]

For a moment there I thought Zone had returned to us!

 

[Didymous]

Who is this Zone person of whom you speak, sir.

 

[RickyZ]

The woman who started the thread 5 years ago. She disappeared some years ago, altho I did see her briefly here not too long ago. It was always fun "sparring" with her

 

[Didymous]

She definitely looks like an interesting character.

 

[Angela53510]

I wish people wouldn’t resurrect zombie threads. It is hard to read the pages and see friends that are gone, either left, were banned and in one case Abiding, who died suddenly. Zone is not here to defend herself. Sarah is long gone, and one a very wrong track, doctrinally speaking. At least HeRose is back.

So many other names and people!

Here’s a thought - if you want to speak about tongues, or any other topic, start a new thread. We don’t need to go back 5 years, with most of the people who posted gone from the forum. The are not here to defend themselves, to revisit what they believe, which may have changed, etc.

Thanks for listening!

 

[Didymous]

I wish people wouldn’t resurrect zombie threads. It is hard to read the pages and see friends that are gone, either left, were banned and in one case Abiding, who died suddenly. Zone is not here to defend herself. Sarah is long gone, and one a very wrong track, doctrinally speaking. At least HeRose is back.

So many other names and people!

Here’s a thought - if you want to speak about tongues, or any other topic, start a new thread. We don’t need to go back 5 years, with most of the people who posted gone from the forum. The are not here to defend themselves, to revisit what they believe, which may have changed, etc.

Thanks for listening!

Ok, sounds reasonable.

 

[Didymous]

Ok, sounds reasonable.

I do have a question, though. Why do you call them zombie threads?

 

[DJ2]

I've never spoken in tongues, but I know many who claim they do, and that's alright with me. What I don't understand is why some claim that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit, for the following reasons: Most making that claim point to Acts 2:2-11. I've studied that enough to know that no one I know of speaks tongues like those folks did back then. As far as what Paul wrote of in 1 Corinthians, he made it clear that tongues was a sign for those that believe not, so are there that many churches with that many people who don't believe? I've never been to a Pentecostal church where unbelievers came and stayed , because most of them left and never came back-after witnessing people who seemed insane. I remember as a child, when my grandmother went to Pentecostal churches, thinking they were all crazy.
As has been said more than once before by others, there's no way to prove speaking in tongues. The scriptures used are often taken out of context, or twisted to mean something they don't.

As has been said more than once before by others, there's no way to prove speaking in tongues.

Actually biblical speaking in tongues does not need to be proven. Its conspicuous manner and supernatural nature makes the need for a formal presentation of evidence unnecessary.

It would be like a midget claiming to be a starting center in the NBA. Sure I cannot name all the centers in the NBA but I know what a NBA center does not look like. They don't look like midgets. I do not need to see his YouTube clips to prove his claims, if there was a midget starting center in the NBA we would all know it.

 

[Waggles]

Whatever !

 

[RickyZ]

I wish people wouldn’t resurrect zombie threads. It is hard to read the pages and see friends that are gone, either left, were banned and in one case Abiding, who died suddenly. Zone is not here to defend herself. Sarah is long gone, and one a very wrong track, doctrinally speaking. At least HeRose is back.

So many other names and people!

Here’s a thought - if you want to speak about tongues, or any other topic, start a new thread. We don’t need to go back 5 years, with most of the people who posted gone from the forum. The are not here to defend themselves, to revisit what they believe, which may have changed, etc.

Thanks for listening!

Knowing that anyone who starts such a thread will be told "there are already lots of threads on this subject"

 

[CS1]

You are quite wrong, it is a rather common claim among many groups and cults and if you cannot provide evidence it is still but a claim of supernatural empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

Then by your own admission your words are simply claims.

"satisfy human reasoning"?? The evidence of the supernatural should be both obvious and forthright. The claims of the pentecostal movement are neither. I am not asking you to perform but to explain why there is no evidence of such claims. Jesus and the apostles did not shy away from presenting evidence of their claims, why the reluctance to do the same?

More banter. God can do whatever He wants. He does not need me to "agree". Again, the question is simple: is what you are doing the same as what is written in 1st Cor. 12,13,14? You don't seem to grasp this point.

You most certainly do. Post #369 You are clearly using your claims of tongues as a reference to the validity of your salvation and acceptance by God. You are like many in this new age movement, claim tongues as evidence of your right standing with God but balk if asked to show that it is more then just a claim.

Once again, I am not saying the supernatural is not for today, I am saying why is there no physical evidence of the physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit going on today? Is it possible that the "perfect" mentioned in 1st Cor. 13:8 has come? That would explain why this age is so different from the 1st century.

The obvious says otherwise.

yes my words to you are simple claims but you fail to see no has to prove anything to you . I do not have to prove to to you :

1.Jesus died , was buried, and rose again
2. The Bible is the Word of God
3. there is a God
4 Jesus is God
5. God heals to day
6. God is real
7. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today and real

"I am not asking you to perform but to explain why there is no evidence of such claims."


There is evidence, you just do not accept it . you have bais . "why the reluctance to do the same?" I'm not but how do you suppose one is to do so? and Do so for you ?

again my claim does not prove or disprove and will not help or hurt my claim.

"You are clearly using your claims of tongues as a reference to the validity of your salvation and acceptance by God."

No I am not my salvation is in Christ alone thank you very much I do not even teach such foolishness , you assume much.
your Bais yet again betrays you.

"The obvious says otherwise."

then provided it please and I will never again speak in tongues and teach today it has ceased. Braing the Bible to prove your claim. My claim is the Word of God states Tongues is a Gift of the Holy Spirit found in 1 cor chapters 12, 13, and 14.

please help me if you can? you who are spiritual should be able to restore a weaker brother where in the Word of God Sir ?

where.