Ezekiel 37-39 happening now?

[Bladerunner]

She thinks that Ezekiel is the ultimate sign that the rapture is near simply because her pastor said so I tried reasoning with her to tell her she cannot just blindly believe anything she has been told and needs to research the truth for herself but sadly she is a very emotional person and if you question with her logic she flips out she never listens to me. I am more interested in seeing if these verse speak of a war in our time or not

It depends on what you call a world war... the World is at War today. The US. and many Nations are fighting ISIS and That is the definition of a World War with the exception of one thing.. No one has declared war formally.

The Church will most likely NOT be here (Rapture) by the time the Gog/Magog war takes place. If this is the case, This will lend itself to the Gap of a period of time between the Rapture and the Beginning of the 70th week.

As far as WWIII, I do not know,,, The Bible speaks of wars but is not really specific outside of the prophecies. However, in rev. 6. the red horseman is given the power to take the peace away from the earth. This is just prior to the 70th week and after the Rapture. The Church will in all likelyhood be gone before anything major (i.e world wars) event happens.

Again these events/ramblings are assumptions on my part and one should follow my signature below... Acts 17:11 to find out the facts for themselves.


Blade

 

[tanakh]

YES it was in the BIBLE: Wars and Rumors of Wars, Nation(s) against Nation(s) and Kingdom against Kingdom (Isam vs Christianity)...they are all there.......including WWIII and beyond.

REM this pause we are in today, started in 32AD and is for the spreading of God's word thoughout the world. When the fulfillment of the Gentiles is right, GOD will tell His son to go get His Church via the Rapture but not before.

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The Gog/magog war will happen long before the Millennium. In fact, with the prophecies that have to come before it, it is likely the Gog/magog war is probably at least 4 years prior to prior to Daniel's 70th week.WHY? I can see the players being setup on the chess board even now.

The Bible tells us the Israelis will be cleaning up the Bodies and burning Gog/Magog's weapons (probably nuclear) for 7 years.

The last half of the 70th week, the antichrist performs the AoD and the people who believe in GOD flee the city. There are no verses about cleanup no being done during this time period. Thus if prophecy is to be fulfilled, the 7 years must be prior to the last half of Daniels 70th week

I stated Nuclear,,,,,Yes, It tells us people have to use special cleaning and visitors are not to be allowed to touch the bodies. They also will be burning the weapons left by GOG/Magog for 7 years. This likely nuclear material.

Just to be clear Gog/magog is Russia, Turkey, and several North African Countries. You speak of the problems of the present day world. Russia is allied with Iran and has some dialog with Turkey in the present day. This is where the Next world war might start. The psalm 83 war is yet to happen, The Destruction Damascus is yet to be fulfilled, etc.

To give a little more info,, The US is only mentioned in the Bible as the "young Lions". They and the UK (Tarshish) do nothing to stop Russia but only ask if they are there for the booty,. I take it from this, the US at this time is no longer a superpower. This could be caused by many things, including the missing people that are part of the Military. Depending upon the number missing., it could be devastating.

Why are they Missing.......THE RAPTURE........ It is estimated that about 33% of the Nation's population will be around 115 million people to disappear. In a military that relies on people to man its computers, target systems and such, it would take some time to replace and train others in the missing places.

In any event,,,The Israeli forces probably hurting because of the psalm 83 war could not stand up to Russia, turkey and Iran plus. It does not matter.

By that I mean... the Gog/Magog war will be fought by GOD himself on behalf of the Israeli people. To show the world that he is the TRUE GOD. This is the war, that the after effects can be dated (7 year cleanup time). The Bible tells us the details in Ezek 38,39

I know my friend, this is too long but I got carried away.

Have a great Day.

Blade

And when the thousand years are ended. Satan will be loosed from his prison and
will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth that
is Gog and Magog to gather them for battle.Their number is like the sand of the sea
And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and
the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them and the devil
who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast
and the false prophet were and they were tormented day and night for ever and ever

Revelation 20:7 - 10 RSV

This happens at the end of the millennium not before.

I think its stretching it to include WW2 as being just another war that Jesus mentioned. In particular when 6,000,000 plus Jews died during it. There were a number of Wars, Famines and Earthquakes within the area of the Roman Empire in the first century that were recorded by people at the time. In acts there is a warning about a great famine. The destruction of Pompeii and Herculaneum happened in the first century as well. It is more likely that Jesus had these in mind rather than warning his Disciples about wars they will never see in their life time.

 

[RickyZ]

Gog and Magog are not locations on a map, they are spiritual entities. They interact with the world in various places and various times and to various degrees. They're part of that eternal prophecy / repeating of history that escalates thru time to a final grand event at the end. Will there be war in our lifetime? I have to ask, when will there not be? Will we see the final escalation that sets off the 'tribulation'? I think our chances are good. Is North Korea the catalyst? We'll see. Will we be whisked away to safety then? That all depends on how God interprets eschatology.

 

[tanakh]

Gog and Magog are not locations on a map, they are spiritual entities. They interact with the world in various places and various times and to various degrees. They're part of that eternal prophecy / repeating of history that escalates thru time to a final grand event at the end. Will there be war in our lifetime? I have to ask, when will there not be? Will we see the final escalation that sets off the 'tribulation'? I think our chances are good. Is North Korea the catalyst? We'll see. Will we be whisked away to safety then? That all depends on how God interprets eschatology.

I agree that Spiritual powers are behind nations but Revelation actually calls the Nations Gog and Magog.
Gog is listed in 1 Chronicles as the Son of Shemareh and Magog is mentioned in Genesis 10 as the Son of Japheth

 

[tanakh]

It depends on what you call a world war... the World is at War today. The US. and many Nations are fighting ISIS and That is the definition of a World War with the exception of one thing.. No one has declared war formally.

The Church will most likely NOT be here (Rapture) by the time the Gog/Magog war takes place. If this is the case, This will lend itself to the Gap of a period of time between the Rapture and the Beginning of the 70th week.

As far as WWIII, I do not know,,, The Bible speaks of wars but is not really specific outside of the prophecies. However, in rev. 6. the red horseman is given the power to take the peace away from the earth. This is just prior to the 70th week and after the Rapture. The Church will in all likelyhood be gone before anything major (i.e world wars) event happens.

Again these events/ramblings are assumptions on my part and one should follow my signature below... Acts 17:11 to find out the facts for themselves.


Blade

A World War as defined by the rest of the Globe are those known as the First and Second.

 

[birdie]

[h=2]Ezekiel 37-39 happening now?[/h]

Ezekiel is sent by God to a rebellious people and this is a picture of the church age congregations falling away from the true gospel and ultimately becoming desolate of Christ and spiritually dead. Ezekiel is sent to show how things should be built spiritually in the church of God, so that perhaps the people might hear and turn to God. Ezekiel is not talking about political entities on the global map, nor about the Syrian war, nor about a so-called rapture, but is talking about people having life in Christ compared to those not having life in Christ. Those who are to be saved from their lifeless condition (dry, desolate) are those who are true believers. God causes them to have life and his spirit and then they are settled and at rest. But then the spirtual enemy comes to plunder them. But God is angered by this and defends them.

 

[Adstar]

Now the prophecy of Israel coming back to their own land happened in 1949 which is what first interested me and making me think it might be possible that my friend was right however the rest is not so easily understood because I don't know where the land of magog is on our global map in this day and age and also there is still much to discuss about this prophecy related to this day and age and so I need help to understand as I know there are many here who have more understanding than I do so any and all understanding of these scriptures would be greatly appreciated

Gog and Magog are also revealed in the Book of Revelation.. But this battle happens at the end of the 1000 Year rule of the LORD Jesus Christ... So 1000 years after the return of Jesus will Gog and Magog be gathered and destroyed..

 

[RickyZ]

I agree that Spiritual powers are behind nations but Revelation actually calls the Nations Gog and Magog.
Gog is listed in 1 Chronicles as the Son of Shemareh and Magog is mentioned in Genesis 10 as the Son of Japheth

'Son of Shemareh' and 'son of Japheth' refer to persons/families, not geographic locations. Gog and Magog as points on a map will be wherever these spirits want them to be.

 

[Blain]

Ty everyone for your input, at first when i made this thread I didn't really receive a lot of help just mainly what it is and isn't but then it became an actual discussion and the info from all your points of views has been very helpful. I am also glad that we are actually discussing this subject instead of the usual bdf debates and for that applaud all of you.

Now as for the subject of world war there are lots of kinds of wars but only the most massive and gruesome kinds are known as world wars and normally involve many nations. Iran and Russia America north korea syria and Israel would likely all be in a world war 3 and maybe the war of gog and magog actually has nothing to do with this day and age but there have indeed been wars and rumors of wars and spiritual decay is more than obvious in the body of Christ they continue to speak of peace and security people are indeed boastful greedy and lovers of themselves you see it just on t.v. commercials and many other things that were said to happen in the last days are going on as well.

Not to mention there seems to be a spiritual awareness that something is coming some say it's the rapture some say it's the tribulation or a giant storm others say it's an all out war but regardless those who God has made aware seem to just know something is coming. If not Ezekiel then is there a scripture that speaks of this time that is coming that I can really dive deep in research? there are scriptures and prophecies scattered all throughout the bible that speak of these times but is there a perhaps a book in the bible specifically and perhaps a prophet in the bible that specifically speaks of these times?

 

[abcdef]

Now the prophecy of Israel coming back to their own land happened in 1949 which is what first interested me and making me think it might be possible that my friend was right however the rest is not so easily understood because I don't know where the land of magog is on our global map in this day and age and also there is still much to discuss about this prophecy related to this day and age and so I need help to understand as I know there are many here who have more understanding than I do so any and all understanding of these scriptures would be greatly appreciated

Blain,

Please consider this,

The nations Magog, surround the holy city, Jerusalem, at the time of the 2nd resurrection in Rev 20.

So it seems that these would be gentile nations, with intent to destroy the natural branches who have been restored to Jerusalem by that time (1967).

Could it be, that this event is not a 1000 years away? But is taking place right now? I mean it has been 2000 years since Rev was written.

And Israel and Jerusalem are surrounded right now. Possible?

 

[Bladerunner]

Gog and Magog are also revealed in the Book of Revelation.. But this battle happens at the end of the 1000 Year rule of the LORD Jesus Christ... So 1000 years after the return of Jesus will Gog and Magog be gathered and destroyed..

ADSTAR you are right,,there are two..

The first: The Gog/Magog War will likely happen prior to the Tribulations. The ones involved will be Israel and her opponents will be an alliance between Russia, Turkey, Iran and several other countries from the Northern African area.

Note: Ezekial 38-39..tells of the Gog/Magog (Armageddon) war that will happen prior to the Daniel's 70th week. In fact, I believe it might actually bring the 70th week on to reality.

Here Israel the Bible tells us will be prosperous, will live without fear and without walls. Right now, Israel's borders are the most protected int he world. Now today, every immediate neighbor around Israel hate her and want her destroyed. The only way they could be prosperous and live without fear and walls is the psalm 83 war has happened and as prophesied Israel won Big. Not they are prosperous with the booty of of all those countries that once surrounded them. They have also expanded their land almost back to the size it was when they crossed the Jordan after wondering the Wilderness for 38 years. Thus the reason why Russia, turkey and Iran want to attack Israel. This and the fact that they think their defenses will be lower because of the Psalm 83 war.

OK, Now the lets go to the future a little further. The 2nd coming is Jesus coming down from the Clouds with his army to take out earth's armies called Armageddon. Here, the antichrist and the false prophet will be thrown into the 'lake of Fire'. Satan is thrown into the bottomless pit until a time he will be loosed later.

The Second:

Toward the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus here on earth. Satan is released to do what he does best to the people of world. GUESS WHAT? Again, he gets followers and armies (GOG/Magog) to march against Jerusalem. When they reach
the city, GOD himself destroys everyone of them with FIRE....He throws Satan into the 'lake of Fire' along with the waiting anti-christ and false prophet.

Revelation 20:8 only tells us about Gog/Magog This is the 'End of Millennium' war.


WHY???? the church is already gone, the anti-christ and the Harlot who rides the beast are killing Christians left and right, rise in power together to the point where the Anti-christ "CONFIRMS" a covenant with Many (Israel)--(Isaiah 28:15), WHY--to rebuild the third temple and bring down the messiah who will save them from the oncoming scourge (anti-christ/Harlots killings of Christians). \

NOTICE: He only CONFIRMS not Makes an Covenan with them... In Isa 28:15, they make a covenant with Death and with HELL
WHo are these....... See Rev 6:7-8..The fourth Seal--Pale Horse with TWO riders "DEATH and HELL"

Ok that is just about it. Now you have the whole sotry of the two Gog/Magog Wars as noted in the Bible.

 

[Blain]

Blain,

Please consider this,

The nations Magog, surround the holy city, Jerusalem, at the time of the 2nd resurrection in Rev 20.

So it seems that these would be gentile nations, with intent to destroy the natural branches who have been restored to Jerusalem by that time (1967).

Could it be, that this event is not a 1000 years away? But is taking place right now? I mean it has been 2000 years since Rev was written.

And Israel and Jerusalem are surrounded right now. Possible?

Thats precisely what i suspected

 

[Bladerunner]

Blain,

Please consider this,

The nations Magog, surround the holy city, Jerusalem, at the time of the 2nd resurrection in Rev 20.

So it seems that these would be gentile nations, with intent to destroy the natural branches who have been restored to Jerusalem by that time (1967).

Could it be, that this event is not a 1000 years away? But is taking place right now? I mean it has been 2000 years since Rev was written.

And Israel and Jerusalem are surrounded right now. Possible?

These are people from nations on the earth who have said they believe in Jesus Christ (otherwise they would have died at the 100 year limit) and have let Satan once again change their minds towards our Savior Jesus Christ.

Since all of them are Gentile,,,,Yes ALL,,,God took the ones (his people of Israel) that made it through Jacob's troubles, and placed his spirit in their hearts and minds for to be his people for ever and ever. It appears only the Gentiles that make it through the 70th week, have accepted Jesus, thus are still living toward the end of the millennium, change their minds when Satan is Loosed from the bottomless pit..

The answer to your question about the Millennium is NO.

they are surrounded by people who wish them dead. Look to Psalm 83 to see the old names of peoples, nations that have an immediate border to Israel. These are not mention in the Gog/Magog war.

 

[Rockrz]

would you mind posting the verses which have the word "Rapture" in it in the Bible?

Don't worry about the "catching away" (the term in God's Word where the word rapture comes from)... scoffers will be left behind to enjoy the great tribulation.

 

[Adstar]

ADSTAR you are right,,there are two..

The first: The Gog/Magog War will likely happen prior to the Tribulations. The ones involved will be Israel and her opponents will be an alliance between Russia, Turkey, Iran and several other countries from the Northern African area.

Note: Ezekial 38-39..tells of the Gog/Magog (Armageddon) war that will happen prior to the Daniel's 70th week. In fact, I believe it might actually bring the 70th week on to reality.

Here Israel the Bible tells us will be prosperous, will live without fear and without walls. Right now, Israel's borders are the most protected int he world. Now today, every immediate neighbor around Israel hate her and want her destroyed. The only way they could be prosperous and live without fear and walls is the psalm 83 war has happened and as prophesied Israel won Big. Not they are prosperous with the booty of of all those countries that once surrounded them. They have also expanded their land almost back to the size it was when they crossed the Jordan after wondering the Wilderness for 38 years. Thus the reason why Russia, turkey and Iran want to attack Israel. This and the fact that they think their defenses will be lower because of the Psalm 83 war.

OK, Now the lets go to the future a little further. The 2nd coming is Jesus coming down from the Clouds with his army to take out earth's armies called Armageddon. Here, the antichrist and the false prophet will be thrown into the 'lake of Fire'. Satan is thrown into the bottomless pit until a time he will be loosed later.

The Second:

Toward the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus here on earth. Satan is released to do what he does best to the people of world. GUESS WHAT? Again, he gets followers and armies (GOG/Magog) to march against Jerusalem. When they reach
the city, GOD himself destroys everyone of them with FIRE....He throws Satan into the 'lake of Fire' along with the waiting anti-christ and false prophet.

Revelation 20:8 only tells us about Gog/Magog This is the 'End of Millennium' war.


WHY???? the church is already gone, the anti-christ and the Harlot who rides the beast are killing Christians left and right, rise in power together to the point where the Anti-christ "CONFIRMS" a covenant with Many (Israel)--(Isaiah 28:15), WHY--to rebuild the third temple and bring down the messiah who will save them from the oncoming scourge (anti-christ/Harlots killings of Christians). \

NOTICE: He only CONFIRMS not Makes an Covenan with them... In Isa 28:15, they make a covenant with Death and with HELL
WHo are these....... See Rev 6:7-8..The fourth Seal--Pale Horse with TWO riders "DEATH and HELL"

Ok that is just about it. Now you have the whole sotry of the two Gog/Magog Wars as noted in the Bible.

I believe Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 are pointing to the same battle that happens at the end of the 1000 years reign of the LORD Jesus Christ.. Have a read of how Israel is described in Ezekiel 38:

Ezekiel 38:
8 "¶ After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. {9} Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. {10} Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: {11} And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,"

Now is this describing present day Israel? Do the people of Israel live in nation without Walls ? Do the people of Israel today live in homes without security bars on their windows and no gates?

Israelis of today live in a nation of great walls dividing them from their Palestinian neighbours. Their houses are very secured in compounds with locked and guarded gates and many have security grates over their windows.. The above portion of scripture is not describing an Israel of today.. it is describing the Idealic state of affairs that will be when Jesus is ruling in the 1000 years where there will be no crime and everyone will be able to live in peace without the need walls and gates and bars for security..

 

[Ahwatukee]

The only other mention of Gog and Magog in battle is found in Revelation and according to that passage it happens at the end of the Millennium.

I am more concerned with North Korea and what Trump intends to do when the Carrier and task force reach their destination. NK is ruled by a maniac who could start a world war. And yes I know its not in the Bible but then WW2 wasn't either.

Good evening tanakh,

The battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel and Revelation, are two completely different battles (if you could even call them battles). The Ezekiel account will take place anytime between now and the time that the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and the other takes place, as you said, at the end of the thousand years.

God is going to put hooks in Gog's jaw and pull him and all the nations with him to attack Israel when they dwell in peace and safety. This battle will be identified by God causing every man's sword/weapon to be turned against his own brother on the mountains of Israel.

Whereas the Gog and Magog event, which those people are identified as a type in Revelation, God is going to rain fire out of heaven upon them as they march across the earth to surround Jerusalem. This event of course will take place at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ.

In the Ezekiel account, Israel will not lift a finger, for God will destroy them on the mountains of Israel and all of the nations will know that God alone is responsible for their destruction.

 

[tanakh]

Blain,

Please consider this,

The nations Magog, surround the holy city, Jerusalem, at the time of the 2nd resurrection in Rev 20.

So it seems that these would be gentile nations, with intent to destroy the natural branches who have been restored to Jerusalem by that time (1967).

Could it be, that this event is not a 1000 years away? But is taking place right now? I mean it has been 2000 years since Rev was written.

And Israel and Jerusalem are surrounded right now. Possible?

The answer is no it isnt a fulfillment of Rev 20 because we are not living in the Millennium. Jerusalem has been surrounded by armies a number of times. Even if it happens now it still doesn't mean that it is the fulfillment of Rev 20

Also the present state of Israel exists for judgement and refinement. True Israel is comprised of those who recognize Jesus as their Messiah not those in the present secular state who reject him.

 

[Rondonmon]

Yes i am aware it already happened to the children of Israel but bible prophecy often times repeats itself, I was told that the prince of persia was syria and that put was russia i'm guessing because of putin but I'm not so sure that right also there is the massive attack on Israel spoken of it in it and yet all who opposed her were destroyed.

Let's say for the topic of discussion that Ezekiel 37-39 is an actual prophecy meant for our generation who would be gog where is magog on our world map and how would the rest of these verse be in our times?

This has not happened yet brother. Gog dies in Israel, God/Jesus defeats him and feeds them to the fowls...39:4 [FONT=&quot]You will [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and the peoples who are with you; I will [/FONT][FONT=&quot]give you as [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]food to every [/FONT][FONT=&quot][c][/FONT][FONT=&quot]kind of predatory bird and beast [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of the field

[/FONT]Rev. 19:17 [FONT=&quot]And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [/FONT]18 [FONT=&quot]That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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Also Remember Daniel's 70 Week Decree against Israel. God sees them as Dead Men's Bones. They were brought back to Israel, but they never repented for their sins, thus they have been as Dead men's bones in Gods eyes ever since they went into captivity in Babylon. The 70 Week Decree has not yet come to pass. God's back is still tuned on Israel. I will tell you exactly what point in time we are at now.

Ezekiel 37:7 [FONT=&quot]So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a [d]noise, and behold, a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to its bone.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]8 And I looked, and behold, sinews were on them, and flesh grew and skin covered them; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]but there was no breath in them.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.”

Israel is Standing as we speak, just like a man stands who has no Holy Spirit in him, he looks alive, but yet hes really dead inside. Likewise Israel has been reborn as a Nation, yet she is dead inside, but God will soon BREATH on her, and she will come alive. That happens after the Rapture however. Which means we might very well be very near to the Rapture, and that is no joke.

God Breaths on Israel when she accepts Jesus as her Messiah. That happens when Elijah as one of the Two witnesses comes back a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation and preaches Jesus as Lord..........Malachi 4:5-6, and turns Israel back to God.


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[danula]

I wish Ezekiel 37 just now. God will come to valley of dry bones, to ruined human hearts. And He resurrect them. Many christians need it.

 

[Miri]

Things are certainly hotting up for sure.

Its like nations are being positioned and aligned for something. Taking their sides
and it's not just the Middle East, major players are getting involved.

China allied with North Korea
Russia with Syria
The UK with USA
Europe just trying to hold themselves together for now

Watch and pray.