Ezekiel Temple vision, Ezekiel 40-48, a millennial temple?

[JGIG]

Originally Posted by JGIG

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

Originally Posted by john832

Telling someone to disregard the book of Acts is pretty bold, especially in light of...

she said no such thing.

You got, "Telling someone to disregard the book of Acts is pretty bold . . . " out of that?

Thank you for this insight into how you read and interpret text. It explains a lot.

-JGIG

 

[Straightshot]

"While this is true at Armageddon, the millennium will, actually, not be complete perfection. There will be longevity of those in the flesh, but still death, Isaiah 65:20, and there are a number of places the heathen are referred to as still in existence, nations capable of kicking against the rod of iron of Christ's rule, Zecharian 14:17-18. So, there remains a limited autonomy at large in the nations. That Satan can cause a massive rebellion at the end of the millennium, Gog and Magog, is further proof of an existence of heathen malcontents."


I see some one here actually understands the correct time line presented in the prophetic scriptures

Satan's beast and human followers will be destroyed at Armageddon ..... then he will be sent to the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations that will develop during the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... these survivors of the tribulation and their offspring will be mortals, and will need salvation just as humans do today

However, the Lord's testing will come again and some of the same will rebel again as Satan is released from the abyss at the end of the 1000 years .... he will muster a following again and the Lord will quickly burn them off

So there you have it .... Revelation 19:11-21 ......... 20:1-10

From gog and magog to ...... gog and magog .... Satan and the rebelling nations .... to Satan and the rebelling nations

Then we see that the Lord will destroy Satan forever just before He judges all of the human dead .... all sent to the same lake of fire

Then the Lord will bring His eternal kingdom incorporating new heavens and a new earth

This truth is one of the reasons why post tribulation thinking is flawed .... if all believing humans are to be resurrected at the end of the same .... there would be no believing mortals left to inhabit the millennial kingdom .... there will be [Matthew 24:29-31; Matthew 25:31-46]

 

[VCO]

this can;t be true, since the abomination fo desolation occures BEFORE the fulfillment of daniel 9. this it can not be built after.

Daniel 9:26-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week {of years}, but in the middle of the week {three and a half years later} he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.” (ref.: Rev. 19, 20:1-3, 20:4)


Like I said: Perhaps we have over looked something very obvious, the Antichrist in his defiance of GOD will want to show off to the entire world that he as taken over God's Temple, and that he is beheading all who refuse to bow to him, starting with the Levite Preists who were led to believe in Jesus as their Messiah by the Two Witnesses. LIVE ON CNN the beheadings will begin 3.5 years after the signing of the Seven Year Peace Treaty. Putting the Guillotine literally on top one of the wings of the temple, so that ALL THE NEWS CAMERAS CAN GET A GOOD PICTURE OF HIS BRUTALITY AGAINST TRIBULATION BELIEVERS.

 

[VCO]

While this is true at Armageddon, the millennium will, actually, not be complete perfection. There will be longevity of those in the flesh, but still death, Isaiah 65:20, and there are a number of places the heathen are referred to as still in existence, nations capable of kicking against the rod of iron of Christ's rule, Zecharian 14:17-18. So, there remains a limited autonomy at large in the nations. That Satan can cause a massive rebellion at the end of the millennium, Gog and Magog, is further proof of an existence of heathen malcontents.

Correct, it baffles me that those born in a recreation of a garden of eden-like environment (except those regions of the earth that refuse to worship CHRIST as KING where Christ stops the rain), and with Christ on the Throne, in Jerusalem, MANY STILL WILL WANT TO REBEL AGAINST OUR LORD AND KING.

 

[Straightshot]

They will .... no different than today

Adam and Eve knew who the Lord was to .... He was there ..... what did they do?

This should exemplify human intransigence and the condition of the natural man from the get-go

All have fallen short .... and so will it be with the mortals in the millennial kingdom

..... even without Satan's influence

 

[Timeline]

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.

The Temple was still standing, God giving Israel a generation (about 40 years between the Crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple) to transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The letter to the Hebrews was a clarification of the Old Covenant inferiority in the light of the Reality of Christ and the vastly superior New Covenant established in His Blood, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood. "What is old and is passing away . . . " refers to the eventual destruction of the center of Old Covenant practices - which still stood at the time of its writing - the Temple and the Levitical priesthood. God allowed for a poignant end to the Old covenantal system, and established the New permanently, with a permanent High Priest from the Tribe of Judah authorized by an oath from God and by the power of an indestructible Life (see Hebrews 7-10).

I believe Paul's action was in response to pressure from those in authority in the Body in Jerusalem - he was deferring to their concerns to avoid offense. His statements elsewhere about being all things to all people in order to win some could apply here, though this would have been a good place to take a stand for the finished Work of Christ. Again, Acts is not a collection of perfect actions held up as an example, but an account of the very earliest days of the acts of the Apostles and of the effects of the Gospel of Grace.

Also of note is that Paul never actually participated in the offering of sacrifices. He was arrested instead. Providential intervention? Perhaps.

It is clear from the letters from which we ARE to learn doctrine that Christ was the Perfect, Final Sacrifice, once for all and that the Body did not participate in sacrifices.

Sacrifices in the Millennium (if it's a literal time period at all)? No way! Jesus is our Perfect, Permanent High Priest, from the tribe of Judah. For Him to administrate such practices would be illegal.

Sacrifices in a Tribulation period (again, if such a period of time is literal)? Probably - but they won't be initiated by God, for Christ was the Final and Perfect Sacrifice once for all. Such practices would be an abomination. If sacrifices happen in a literal Tribulation period, they will be both initiated and stopped by an anti-Christ spirit - illegal acts from a false authority working to deceive.

As Bookends stated earlier, unrevealed prophecy must be measured by revealed Truths.

Consider the following:

• Who Christ is
• What He came to do
• What that actually accomplished, and
• Who believers are in Him

When one has a grasp on those truths, falsehoods tend to fall away, like the silly notion that believers will be offering sacrifices at ANY time with Christ overseeing it all! It's unthinkable after a straight read-through of Hebrews 7-10!


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

I have apparently given you the wrong impression - partially, anyway. I have read part of Foy E. Wallace's "Revelation", but I read it because I agreed with some of the things that he said during a first scan. I haven't looked up exactly what "Preterism" entails, but as I currently understand it, I agree - acknowledging, of course, that there are different levels of Preterism.

Now, regarding Paul's involvement with the sacrifices, I agree that Acts is a historical account. But the history records this account that Paul participated in. I believe/think that there was a reason, but I cannot put my finger on it. I feel like it probably played a role in fulfillment of a prophecy, something in the Law, or something. But admittedly, it is more of a feeling than anything else. I guess I think a lot of Paul and can't force myself to accept this as a mistake or weakness. Which leaves me wondering why he did it (or why, God may have had him do it).

I don't buy into this millennial temple (a physical structure, than is) that supposedly will arise in the future. I believe that many Christians are waiting for prophecies that have already occurred, literally and spiritually. But, unfortunately, I can find verses that seem to point away from my theories, as well as those of others. It seems that no matter which way we approach prophecy we run into problems. I often think about the possibility that I spend too much time looking into prophetic material, but I want to understand as much as I can about God, and I don't think that I can do that while avoiding prophecy - or anything in the written Word of God for that matter.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Correct, it baffles me that those born in a recreation of a garden of eden-like environment (except those regions of the earth that refuse to worship CHRIST as KING where Christ stops the rain), and with Christ on the Throne, in Jerusalem, MANY STILL WILL WANT TO REBEL AGAINST OUR LORD AND KING.

There's something interesting I observed of human nature, versus what we're taught, or best light we throw on things. (The proverbial rose colored glasses?)

We're raised on mistaken notions, that evils of the world are, as if, something nobody wants. Military leaders are doing a dirty job somebody's got to do, or police, spies, or politicians serving, even doctors, and let's throw in Catholic leaders, just to be obnoxious for past crimes. There are those military leaders who love war: it's their job, that massive blood letting and destruction of the other guy the glory of their careers. There are police who love power, the chase, that adrenalin. A lot of spies simply love the game, with all its treacherous antics and crimes. There are politicians who love power, life a game to get noticed most walking into a room, same with corporate magnates. There are doctors who'd be lost as to what to do, without disease, Catholics who need all that pretense, though they look ridiculous in those costumes: still, it feeds that carnal ego, a pretense of superiority.

There are those out there who wouldn't know what else to do. There are elements in many walks, mixed in with the good like tares in the wheat, who will have a hard time coping with righteousness and peace, because this really isn't what they want, what they do to feed their ego and their need for more and more bizarre entertainment, and certainly not content to live in an egalitarian world that doesn't elevate them.

There are those who, bottom line, love this evil world and all its trappings, even as a veritable playground of sin. You seldom hear about this of "respectable people," but they're out there, evil not limited to crime. I've known enough of them! There are always "type A" people with self on the throne, and always a willing army of fools, to tag along in their shadows. It's a fundamental life issue of many, Satan's disease, pathological narcissism. Our Lord wouldn't need a rod of iron, were all ever what they should be, were there not those who don't want the things of God, but to bite that Hand that feeds them.

 

[Straightshot]

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[JGIG]

It's helpful to remember that the book of Acts is an historical account, and not primarily a book from which to derive doctrine. Simply put, it's an account of what actually happened, not necessarily what should have happened in the fledgling Body of Christ.

The Temple was still standing, God giving Israel a generation (about 40 years between the Crucifixion and the destruction of the Temple) to transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. The letter to the Hebrews was a clarification of the Old Covenant inferiority in the light of the Reality of Christ and the vastly superior New Covenant established in His Blood, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood. "What is old and is passing away . . . " refers to the eventual destruction of the center of Old Covenant practices - which still stood at the time of its writing - the Temple and the Levitical priesthood. God allowed for a poignant end to the Old covenantal system, and established the New permanently, with a permanent High Priest from the Tribe of Judah authorized by an oath from God and by the power of an indestructible Life (see Hebrews 7-10).

I believe Paul's action was in response to pressure from those in authority in the Body in Jerusalem - he was deferring to their concerns to avoid offense. His statements elsewhere about being all things to all people in order to win some could apply here, though this would have been a good place to take a stand for the finished Work of Christ. Again, Acts is not a collection of perfect actions held up as an example, but an account of the very earliest days of the acts of the Apostles and of the effects of the Gospel of Grace.

Also of note is that Paul never actually participated in the offering of sacrifices. He was arrested instead. Providential intervention? Perhaps.

It is clear from the letters from which we ARE to learn doctrine that Christ was the Perfect, Final Sacrifice, once for all and that the Body did not participate in sacrifices.

Sacrifices in the Millennium (if it's a literal time period at all)? No way! Jesus is our Perfect, Permanent High Priest, from the tribe of Judah. For Him to administrate such practices would be illegal.

Sacrifices in a Tribulation period (again, if such a period of time is literal)? Probably - but they won't be initiated by God, for Christ was the Final and Perfect Sacrifice once for all. Such practices would be an abomination. If sacrifices happen in a literal Tribulation period, they will be both initiated and stopped by an anti-Christ spirit - illegal acts from a false authority working to deceive.

As Bookends stated earlier, unrevealed prophecy must be measured by revealed Truths.

Consider the following:

• Who Christ is
• What He came to do
• What that actually accomplished, and
• Who believers are in Him

When one has a grasp on those truths, falsehoods tend to fall away, like the silly notion that believers will be offering sacrifices at ANY time with Christ overseeing it all! It's unthinkable after a straight read-through of Hebrews 7-10!


Try not to get hung up on Paul's actions in Acts 21 - again, remember that it is more of a history than a template for doctrine.

-JGIG

I have apparently given you the wrong impression - partially, anyway. I have read part of Foy E. Wallace's "Revelation", but I read it because I agreed with some of the things that he said during a first scan. I haven't looked up exactly what "Preterism" entails, but as I currently understand it, I agree - acknowledging, of course, that there are different levels of Preterism.

Now, regarding Paul's involvement with the sacrifices, I agree that Acts is a historical account. But the history records this account that Paul participated in. I believe/think that there was a reason, but I cannot put my finger on it. I feel like it probably played a role in fulfillment of a prophecy, something in the Law, or something. But admittedly, it is more of a feeling than anything else. I guess I think a lot of Paul and can't force myself to accept this as a mistake or weakness. Which leaves me wondering why he did it (or why, God may have had him do it).

I don't buy into this millennial temple (a physical structure, than is) that supposedly will arise in the future. I believe that many Christians are waiting for prophecies that have already occurred, literally and spiritually. But, unfortunately, I can find verses that seem to point away from my theories, as well as those of others. It seems that no matter which way we approach prophecy we run into problems. I often think about the possibility that I spend too much time looking into prophetic material, but I want to understand as much as I can about God, and I don't think that I can do that while avoiding prophecy - or anything in the written Word of God for that matter.

Understood =o).

Most of my comment to you was concerning the Acts 21 issue; the rest was my 2 cents on the concept of sacrifices being mandated by God at any future point.

I agree - most of what we come up with as interpretations fail in some way, which is why I'm content to go about our Father's business until HE unfolds His plans. From something I wrote elsewhere:

So what’s with all the different views?
How do teachers/interpreters of prophecy come up with so many different views in the first place? I think it has a lot to do with what lens we look through and a great desire and/or a perceived need to have everything ‘all figured out’.
There are prophecies that some have extrapolated to mean certain things, but we must always place the unrevealed truths of those interpreted prophecies within the context of revealed Truth – that being the completed work of Christ.

Revealed Truth always supersedes unrevealed truth – that is, with prophecy, much of it is a mystery until it occurs, and as it occurs, it often looks very different than we thought it would.

I recently heard a funny example about how we can get stuff oh-so-wrong simply because we do not have the whole picture, are ignorant (not in a bad way, just in a not-having-all-the-knowledge about something way), and/or are seeing what we want to see:

A redneck family went to the city and went to one of those really big malls. The father and the son noticed a big metal wall. The wall would open up and people would walk into the hole and then it would close up and the people would disappear. They kept looking at this wall and noticed that up above where the wall was there were numbers that would light up and they’d see the count go up: 1, 2, 3. Then they’d keep watching and the numbers would come back down: 3, 2, 1. The wall would open up, and different people would walk out of the hole. This wall – this wall was something incredible!Then they saw a little old lady. She went up to the wall and she pushed a button . . . the wall opened up and she walked into the hole. The hole closed and she too, disappeared. They saw the numbers count up to three and then count back down to one. And when the wall opened up, a beautiful young woman walked out of the hole! And the father leaned over to his son and said, “Son, go get your mama.”
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Nothing against rednecks here . . . trust me, in some ways I are one! But we can see from this story that how that father and son interpreted what they were seeing had no basis in reality. They were interpreting what they saw based on the information and experiences that they had, along with a sizeable pinch of wishful thinking. There were concepts and mechanical workings completely out of their view. The concept of an elevator had nothing to do with their world. Yet they would no doubt fully understand what they had witnessed when looking at the whole picture, instead of seeing the limited view that they had at the time, having interpreted it with the limited knowledge they possessed at the time.

The same can be said for interpreting prophecy. Layer on top of the limited information and experiences that influence our interpretations our individual pet theologies and biases, and you can end up with numbers of different interpretations for the same passages of Scripture. Let me repeat: There are prophecies that some have extrapolated to mean certain things, but we must always place the unrevealed truths of those interpreted prophecies within the context of revealed Truth – that being the completed work of Christ.

Those who were the most learned in the Scriptures completely missed or outright rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They thought they had it all figured out. They had the culture, the language, the history, the education, the Scriptures – yet they still missed Jesus. They were expecting the Messiah to manifest in ways far different than He actually did.God’s manifestation, fulfillment, and reality of what He foretold did not match what they thought that fulfillment should look like. Beyond the fulfillment in the incarnation of Christ was the work of the Cross and what that would mean for those who would choose to put their faith and trust in Him. There were many looking for a conquering Messiah – they did not count on Him conquering as the sacrificial Lamb of God. That paradoxical reality really messed with their expectations.

We need to be mindful of the above examples when looking at prophecies yet unfulfilled. We also need to recognize that NONE of the end-times doctrines or interpretations out there constitute core issues of the Christian faith beyond the fact that Jesus IS coming back and there WILL be judgement for both the redeemed and the unredeemed. Much of what is beyond that is speculation on our parts and anyone who tells you they have it all figured out beyond a doubt is fibbing. (from Millennial Prophecy: Measuring Unrevealed Prophecies in Light of Revealed Truths)


-JGIG

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[Straightshot]

All scripture is inspired by the Lord ..... ll of it

And preterism is a cut off deception used to systematically destroy the lords prophetic word

 

[VCO]

Understood =o).

. . .
I recently heard a funny example about how we can get stuff oh-so-wrong simply because we do not have the whole picture, are ignorant (not in a bad way, just in a not-having-all-the-knowledge about something way), and/or are seeing what we want to see:

A redneck family went to the city and went to one of those really big malls. The father and the son noticed a big metal wall. The wall would open up and people would walk into the hole and then it would close up and the people would disappear. They kept looking at this wall and noticed that up above where the wall was there were numbers that would light up and they’d see the count go up: 1, 2, 3. Then they’d keep watching and the numbers would come back down: 3, 2, 1. The wall would open up, and different people would walk out of the hole. This wall – this wall was something incredible!Then they saw a little old lady. She went up to the wall and she pushed a button . . . the wall opened up and she walked into the hole. The hole closed and she too, disappeared. They saw the numbers count up to three and then count back down to one. And when the wall opened up, a beautiful young woman walked out of the hole! And the father leaned over to his son and said, “Son, go get your mama.”
​

Nothing against rednecks here . . . trust me, in some ways I are one! But we can see from this story that how that father and son interpreted what they were seeing had no basis in reality. They were interpreting what they saw based on the information and experiences that they had, along with a sizeable pinch of wishful thinking. There were concepts and mechanical workings completely out of their view. The concept of an elevator had nothing to do with their world. Yet they would no doubt fully understand what they had witnessed when looking at the whole picture, instead of seeing the limited view that they had at the time, having interpreted it with the limited knowledge they possessed at the time.

. . .
-JGIG

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YOU'ALL WANT TA GO POSSUM HUNTIN, NEXT TIME WE ALL GO?

I am a redneck from way back. But the Joke was still a good one.

In fact, I just found this song last night, and it made me cry:


[video=youtube;z-Efs8bweJ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Efs8bweJ0[/video]

 

[JesusIsAll]

Understood =o).

So what’s with all the different views?
How do teachers/interpreters of prophecy come up with so many different views in the first place? I think it has a lot to do with what lens we look through and a great desire and/or a perceived need to have everything ‘all figured out’.
There are prophecies that some have extrapolated to mean certain things, but we must always place the unrevealed truths of those interpreted prophecies within the context of revealed Truth – that being the completed work of Christ.

Revealed Truth always supersedes unrevealed truth – that is, with prophecy, much of it is a mystery until it occurs, and as it occurs, it often looks very different than we thought it would.

I recently heard a funny example...

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No truth supercedes any other truth: truth is truth. And must beg to differ: Bible prophecy has been literally fulfilled out the wazoo, already. Truth is never based on what we want to believe, is not stuffed into a box. To say the word of God isn't saying what it says is actually to live in ignorance of amazing truths, and it's man's thinking to reduce scripture to governance by anecdotal, earthy examples, examples that may appeal to the mind of man, but get one no closer to the mind of God.

How limited what our spiritual eyes may see, when we relegate those things we don't understand to mysteries, when God's word has enlightened us on these matters, when God has given us His word to seek understanding, not presented us with what may as well be chapters of nonsense nobody can comprehend, that would be useless to study. That would be your real contradiction, that God is the author of confusion, that there's scripture not to search out. Lastly, it's ultimate error for those to state that what they can't understand cannot be understood.

 

[Bookends]

"All the sudden your previous assertion "makes no difference." Very convenient."


Explain yourself son ......... my statements of the subject are both true according to scripture .... never been any other way

Preterists don't get to speak about this because they have intentionally destroyed the very fabric of the prophets' views and thrown them away

.... you have no business in the conversation

The Prophets views? How do you know what their view was. I would not count on their view anyway if there was a way to know, because Paul says the Prophets didn't know everything, they view was cloudy at best.

Eph. 3
[SUP]5 [/SUP]which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: [SUP]6 [/SUP]that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power

It is best to take the clear passages in the NT to interpret the OT, Because it was to the New that eternal purpose of was revealed.

 

[Bookends]

There can be no priestly requirements when there is no priesthood. We only have one High Priest now, and that is all we will have in the millenium.

Ezekiel 40-48 gives the requirements for priests, therefore for this can not be a millennial temple.

 

[Bookends]

Telling someone to disregard the book of Acts is pretty bold, especially in light of...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When Paul wrote 2 Timothy, Paul did not have access to the NT books nor have them in mind, but the OT. The NT did not exist during Paul's day as it is today.

PS, I'm not saying that the NT isn't Inspired by God, I believe it is and an application can be made of what was said of the old can be applied by the new. But Paul had specifically the OT in mind, I believe.

 

[Bookends]

While this is true at Armageddon, the millennium will, actually, not be complete perfection. There will be longevity of those in the flesh, but still death, Isaiah 65:20, and there are a number of places the heathen are referred to as still in existence, nations capable of kicking against the rod of iron of Christ's rule, Zecharian 14:17-18. So, there remains a limited autonomy at large in the nations. That Satan can cause a massive rebellion at the end of the millennium, Gog and Magog, is further proof of an existence of heathen malcontents.

So those Christians who were raise from the dead will/may die again? LOL

 

[Timeline]

When Paul wrote 2 Timothy, Paul did not have access to the NT books nor have them in mind, but the OT. The NT did not exist during Paul's day as it is today.

While I do agree with many things that you post, I must disagree with you on what Paul had in mind. While he was known as Saul, I do agree, but as you quoted in post #193 "as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:". I believe that Paul was aware on the Old and the New. I am not saying that he knew every little detail, but I do believe that he had the New in mind.

 

[Straightshot]

"So those Christians who were raise from the dead will/may die again? LOL"


The preterist LOLs at prophecy because he throws the unfulfilled portion out and so does not look but ignores

All of the survivors of the tribulation who enter the Lord's millennial kingdom will be believing mortals [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46] ... no resurrections of any

Preterism denies anything beyond 70 AD is left to be fulfilled and then turns and borrows from post-tribulation teaching that all believers will be resurrected at the ending of the tribulation

Then says how can a resurrected being become a mortal and die again?

Clever, but moot

The millennial kingdom will consist of both the immortals of the Lord's true ecclesia [the pre-tribulation, and those that will become believers and killed during the tribulation]

.... and the believers who survive the tribulation as mortals and enter and populate [reproduce] in the kingdom

These things are clearly confirmed by the prophetic scriptures

The preterist dumps the related and then uses the post tribulation thinker's stunted view to make up a ruse

Preterism and post tribulation thinking are both off of the wall man made theologies .... neither is true

.... past and post they sing, but their songs are garbled and cannot be heard

 

[biblicaltruth15]

Bookends:

The water mentioned in Ezekiel`s vision concerns the earth and not heaven. The water represents THE DIVINE WORDS of God Almighty, which is abundant life flowing from Jerusalem, Israel to the rest of the whole world. This water is connected with Jesus Christ as the true life. So also is the one in Revelation 22. They are all life bringing water, THE WORD.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Bookends:

The water mentioned in Ezekiel`s vision concerns the earth and not heaven. The water represents THE DIVINE WORDS of God Almighty, which is abundant life flowing from Jerusalem, Israel to the rest of the whole world. This water is connected with Jesus Christ as the true life. So also is the one in Revelation 22. They are all life bringing water, THE WORD.

A reminder of a lesson learned, attempting this subject around here. I would be fascinated to see a link to some library that supports your, shall we say, unique exegesis.