F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings - active shooters

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Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. (Anything in which we place our Faith other than the Cross of Christ, becomes an idol.) 1 Cor. 10:14

This includes buying a weapon for protection!
Ummmmmmm that really S---t---r----e----t----c----h-----e------s that verse out of context to hang a personal opinion on.......wow......
 
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God promises that if we will submit to His leadership in the decisions of our lives, He will lead and guide us in His way, which is the only right way. Then, and only then, will we walk in the Spirit (Gal. 5:16), be led by the Spirit (Rom. 8:14; Gal. 5:18), and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Then, we will have victory in our lives.

Pastor Dave Smith - JSM


 

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Here is my two-cents worth. I am a trained gunsmith (retired because of carpel tunnel) and a life member of NRA. No new legislation is going to rid the U.S.A. of guns. We have a gun culture. People like to shoot targets, silhouettes, skeet, trap and a myriad of competitive shooting: long range, 3 gun, cowboy, etc. I don't even know of them all. Some are public and some are police or military.

Back to the gun culture: Besides shooting many people are collectors. Some are just amateur collectors that keep guns with only a sentimental value. Most collections have some sentimental pieces, but have value pieces also. The criminals could care less about gun control laws as they don't obey laws anyway. No law will deal with the entrenched guns in our society, short of a police state. Some of the schools here in Oklahoma are allowing the staff the carry concealed guns; and they have posted at the schools signs warning that a shooter will be met with lethal force, if necessary.

The 42 states, that allow and respect the Right to Carry, represent 74 percent of the U.S. population. There are 16.5 million people registered to carry arms. The violent crime rate is down 51 percent. From 2007 to 2015 concealed carry permits increased by 215 percent. During that same time frame, the murder rate dropped 14 percent. In Florida and Texas only one in about 42,000 permit holders are convicted of firearm violations. It seems the wild-west scenario the liberals projected didn't happen. Two-thirds of published, peer reviewed studies have found that Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates.
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according to Wikipedia, these are the numbers killed and injured in 2016 and 2017. I'm still looking up data for comparing.

Again, ANY school children being killed is too many. But we should be careful to look at the data carefully, as the data is exaggerated for one reason or another..

I remember one study talking about how many "children" were killed by gunfire... the numbers were pretty high. What was NOT readily made known was that for the sake of the "survey", the definition of a "child" included children up to the age of 21... which automatically included all the 17-21 year old gang-bangers, etc.... The same statistics, when limited to 16 and below, was only about 1/10 of the total, IIRC. Purposely misleading "statistics".

2016, 1 former high-school student (perp by police services), 1 Phd student (perp by suicide), 1 university professor, 4 high-school junior (2 school-girls in an "apparent murder-suicide", 1 perp by suicide), 1 high-school student, 1 elementary school student, (9) killed; 8 high-school junior, 12 high-school students, 2 individuals in the parking-lot of a high-school, 1 police officer (unintentionally), 1 elementary school student, 1 teacher, (25) injured.

2017, an elementary school student (not the target), 1 teacher, 1 perp (estranged husband of a teacher, by suicide), 1 college student, 1 perp & former college student (by suicide), 3 high-school student, 1 perp (former high-school student, by suicide), (9) killed; 5 high-school student, an individual at a university protest, a high-school senior, 9 elementary school student, (16) injured.
 

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No law will deal with the entrenched guns in our society, short of a police state.
Exactly. And that's what the Left-Liberals have been clamoring for for a very long time. Do they really care about the victims? Not on your life. Do they want to confiscate guns so that the America becomes a fascist police state? Absolutely. Since they are trying desperately to muzzle free speech, this is just another aspect of their evil designs. In fact there have been several recent incidents where people threatened by criminals were able to save others or themselves because they did have a firearm. Ordinary citizens do have a right to protect themselves and all this talk about gun control is just like "global warming". A total sham.
 

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Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates.

The thought of mass shootings was unheard of in the 1950's and 60''s, possibly until the 70's.

The shootings did occur more and more frequently among gangs in large cities.f. Crime has not decreased with the advent of weapons sported by all.

Police state? Gee, I think it is a lttle late to beconcerned about that. It seems today, a person is only free if his shirt is the correct color, and even then he must adhere to the dictates of the "bosses."
 

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Correction and added info: The Texas Tower at the University of texas at Austin I believe was the site of a mass killing by an ex-marine, Charles Whitman, in 1966............. I believe he used a stockpile of weapons . Assault rifles were not given out iat that time.


Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates.

The thought of mass shootings was unheard of in the 1950's and 60''s, possibly until the 70's.

The shootings did occur more and more frequently among gangs in large cities.f. Crime has not decreased with the advent of weapons sported by all.

Police state? Gee, I think it is a lttle late to beconcerned about that. It seems today, a person is only free if his shirt is the correct color, and even then he must adhere to the dictates of the "bosses."
 
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Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates.

The thought of mass shootings was unheard of in the 1950's and 60''s, possibly until the 70's.

The shootings did occur more and more frequently among gangs in large cities.f. Crime has not decreased with the advent of weapons sported by all.

Police state? Gee, I think it is a lttle late to beconcerned about that. It seems today, a person is only free if his shirt is the correct color, and even then he must adhere to the dictates of the "bosses."
again, from Wikipedia "school shootings in the United States"...

During the first decade of the 20th century there were 15 (1903 (2 shootings), 04 (3), 05 (2), 07 (2), 08 (2), 09 (4).
During the 1910s there were 19 (1910 (3 shootings), 1911, 12 (2), 14, 15 (2), 16 (2), 17 (2), 18 (2), 19 (3).
During the 1920s there were 10 (1920 (7 shootings), 22 (2), 26).
During the 1930s there were 9 (1930, 31, 34, 35, 36 (2), 37 (2), 38).
During the 1940s there were 8 (1940 (2 shootings), 42, 46, 47, 48, 49 (2)).
During the 1950s there were 17 (1950, 51 (4), 52 (2), 53, 54 (2), 55, 56 (2), 57, 58 (2), 59).
During the 1960s there were 18 (1960 (3 shootings), 61 (2), 66 (4), 67, 68 (4), 69 (4)).
During the 1970s there were 30 (1970 (5 shootings), 71 (2), 73 (2), 74 (4), 75 (3), 76 (3), 77, 78 (7), 79 (3)).
During the 1980s there were 39 (1980 (4 shootings), 81 (3), 82 (3), 83, 84 (4), 85 (5), 86 (5), 87 (5), 88 (6), 89 (3)).
During the 1990s there were 63 (1990 (2 shootings), 91 (6), 92 (6), 93 (9), 94 (10), 95 (4), 96 (7), 97 (6), 98 (7), 99 (6)).
 

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Correction and added info: The Texas Tower at the University of texas at Austin I believe was the site of a mass killing by an ex-marine, Charles Whitman, in 1966............. I believe he used a stockpile of weapons . Assault rifles were not given out iat that time.
IIRC, Charles Whitman was found to have a brain tumor that likely caused his rampage.

Also, IIRC, it was an armed citizen who either shot and killed him, or at least kept him pinned down until police could kill him.
 

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While I agree with having mandatory gun safety and use education, and a mental health exam of every firearm purchaser, it nevertheless only treats a symptom of the disease that is causing this increase in violence.
Anyone disagree with the cause for the violence in Ezekiel 28:16 being an excess of material goods (idols)?

Ezekiel 28:16[FONT=&quot]By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.[/FONT]
 
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That is a matter of safety. Tornadoes do not strike schools very often, but nearly every school in my part of the world does "tornado drills". Fire drills are the same. How many schools burn down? Not very many, but to not have a plan in place is just inexcusable.

In ohio. The doors are locked, No one can enter a school, without being let in by the person in the administrative office, and you have to go through that office to get into the school. I am dumbfounded how that person even got in the school.
 
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I am also suprised this person was able to get a semi automatic. Last I heard they were illegal. Of course (as with a past shooting, I can’t remember which one) a non automatic was upgraded to an automatic. I still believe that we should limit sales, but gun control is not the answer. Massachusetts has one of the most stringent gun control in the US (at least they did in the 90’s) yet people were still being killed with guns.

I repeat my first statement, Guns do nto kill people. People kill people. The issue is not the gun, it is the society, These kids have no hope. And they are not taught that their are consequences for your actions. They are not thought to respect anyone. I am sure if we researched, these countries that do nto have these issues, their kids are taught right from wrong, .they are taught that actions have consequences, They are taught to respect other people, And they are NOT taught they are the center of the universe.
 

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It does not matter the reasoning of this age on the subject, the bottom line will remain the same:

Murder is the work of Satan. Aiding the murderers is participating in that sin......

I speak only at the level of the teachings of the Word, not to the availed facts of this age, that is the knowledge of this age.
 
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In ohio. The doors are locked, No one can enter a school, without being let in by the person in the administrative office, and you have to go through that office to get into the school. I am dumbfounded how that person even got in the school.
Amen.....Israel has it right....LOCKED doors and at least three randomly armed teachers = NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS..........it is not that difficult to suppress this......when I was in High School the kids carried guns in the back rack of their trucks and we wore knives on our hips in school.....nobody was shot in the school I went to.....
 

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I am also suprised this person was able to get a semi automatic. Last I heard they were illegal. Of course (as with a past shooting, I can’t remember which one) a non automatic was upgraded to an automatic. I still believe that we should limit sales, but gun control is not the answer. Massachusetts has one of the most stringent gun control in the US (at least they did in the 90’s) yet people were still being killed with guns.

I repeat my first statement, Guns do nto kill people. People kill people. The issue is not the gun, it is the society, These kids have no hope. And they are not taught that their are consequences for your actions. They are not thought to respect anyone. I am sure if we researched, these countries that do nto have these issues, their kids are taught right from wrong, .they are taught that actions have consequences, They are taught to respect other people, And they are NOT taught they are the center of the universe.
Semi-automatic firearms are perfectly legal for adults to purchase. Whether it is a pistol, rimfire, shotgun, or rifle.

These are all functionally identical... semi-automatic.... (the technical term is auto-loading)
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The top one...a 742 or 7400? I like both and have the bottom three....and they have never killed anyone or even thought about it......
Remington 7400.... a hunting rifle.

The AR platform rifles have become one of the most popular hunting rifles sold in recent years... for, primarily, wild hogs, but also for deer and other game. They are very versatile rifles.
I could post literally hundreds of pictures of hunters (men, women, and young adults) using AR's for hunting, but most of them include dead animals in them, and I don't want to offend anyone.
 
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Semi-automatic firearms are perfectly legal for adults to purchase. Whether it is a pistol, rimfire, shotgun, or rifle.

These are all functionally identical... semi-automatic.... (the technical term is auto-loading)
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your right, I meant automatic..lol. I have a few semi’s myself.. I did nto have enough coffee when I wrot that..lol I have an old Russian pre AK, Have not shot it yet. I would love to get the second one. Just because I love to shoot.
 
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Remington 7400.... a hunting rifle.

The AR platform rifles have become one of the most popular hunting rifles sold in recent years... for, primarily, wild hogs, but also for deer and other game. They are very versatile rifles.
I could post literally hundreds of pictures of hunters (men, women, and young adults) using AR's for hunting, but most of them include dead animals in them, and I don't want to offend anyone.
Yeah I had a 7400...first deer rile I bought at Walmart in 1984 for around $300........and I hear ya.......